Results 1 to 75 of 75

Thread: Century Casinos wins local horse racing bid

  1. #1
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default Century Casinos wins local horse racing bid

    Edmonton horse racing contract awarded to gaming company
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...pany-1.3769645

    Alberta has chosen an international gaming company to own, build and operate a new horse racing facility in the Edmonton market area.

    Century Casinos Europe GmbH is the successful candidate. Expressions of interest for the contract closed in May 2015.

    The announcement was made Monday by a non-profit, private organization called Horse Racing Alberta (HRA), after months of speculation about the future of the sport in Edmonton and the province at large.

    A news release didn't specify the exact location for the new racetrack or say when it would open.
    I'm surprised, I thought Enoch Cree would be a no-brainer for this.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  2. #2
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default

    Century Casinos plans to build new horse-racing track south of Edmonton
    http://globalnews.ca/news/2950086/ce...h-of-edmonton/

    Century Casinos has been chosen by Horse Racing Alberta to build, own and operate a new horse-racing track in the Edmonton area.

    Century Casinos plans to build a new track and casino south of the city on Edmonton International Airport land, west of the RedTail Landing golf course.

    “It’s basically going to be modelled after our Century Downs Racetrack and Casino in Calgary,” Paul Ryneveld with Century Casinos said, adding the Edmonton facility would be about 50 per cent larger than Calgary’s.

    Ryneveld said the plan is to build a mile-long track with stabling for up to 800 horses. The facility will be two, possibly three, floors. Century Casinos hopes to break ground either later this year or early 2017, with plans to open in late 2018.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  3. #3
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    We need more details. I can't picture what they have planned to make this work.

  4. #4

    Default

    For the love of all that is good, can someone explain why everyone is so keen to build stuff next to our airport? As far as airports go, ours is little league and we have about zero tourism. From where I stand, all this development (outlet mall, casino, etc.) is simply SEC round two, even further from the city.

    Is there some data that supports sub-suburban retail and entertainment development? Or are they just getting in now before the city gets there?
    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

  5. #5

    Default

    Maybe this means horses and sprint cars on the same track.

    I think I'm Joking.
    There can only be one.

  6. #6
    I'd rather C2E than work!
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Westmount, Edmonton
    Posts
    5,584

    Default

    If a track was not successful in the city, why would it be successful on the edge of the city?

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

  7. #7
    Addicted to C2E
    Mr. Reality Check

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Posts
    13,304

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    If a track was not successful in the city, why would it be successful on the edge of the city?
    the first step - regardless of where it is in the region - if you want a first class track is to make sure it is a one mile track. when northlands refused - for whatever reasons over the years - to increase their oval from a 5/8 mile track horse racing remained doomed at that location. 5/8 mile tracks are slower and more dangerous and owners, trainers and jockeys all hate them. it's why cineplex is successful at south edmonton common and you can't catch a movie any more at the paramount theatre.
    "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

  8. #8

    Default

    From speaking with people in the racing business about this, I think they're quite happy to be moving in a couple years to the new facility, and in reference to why build it there, there's no thing there, if you build more things there, golf course, car racing, horse racing, you make it a destination

  9. #9
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default

    I think Enoch would have been a more palatable location with the casino, live venue, enough land for a mile-long track and closer proximity to the city. I get the impression that Horse Racing Alberta (headed by former Tory cabinet minister Shirley McLellan) simply wanted to replicate Century Casino's track in Calgary.

    Anyway, another article on this:
    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...y-casinos-mile
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  10. #10
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    Could be good for the airport. A few decent hotels with new ones in the retail district going ahead. Also shopping, golfing, and now gambling and horse racing. Sounds like it will be a big casino.

  11. #11
    I'd rather C2E than work!
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Westmount, Edmonton
    Posts
    5,584

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    If a track was not successful in the city, why would it be successful on the edge of the city?
    the first step - regardless of where it is in the region - if you want a first class track is to make sure it is a one mile track. when northlands refused - for whatever reasons over the years - to increase their oval from a 5/8 mile track horse racing remained doomed at that location. 5/8 mile tracks are slower and more dangerous and owners, trainers and jockeys all hate them. it's why cineplex is successful at south edmonton common and you can't catch a movie any more at the paramount theatre.
    Thanks, I know squat about tracks so I was wondering if there was any rational.

    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

  12. #12

    Default

    ^ it's also a function of density, land itself is worth more at Northlands.


    I was also pulling for Enoch, but I guess that was without knowing any details on Century's plan. That it's going to prop up airport finances, and that it's going to be a full-length track (Alberta's only one) is great news too though. Still very curious for details, like will this be thoroughbred ready on day one, or standard bred only, like Calgary's track. (Thoroughbred are where they ride the horses, standard bred are where they ride the wagons.)

    Good news for the region to retain it.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  13. #13

    Default

    Does anyone here actually go to the horse races now? I do. While I was at the Canadian derby half the idiots there had no clue what was going on. These people won't drive out to the airport for races.

    Horse Racing isn't a hot commodity in Edmonton.. pushing it out into the middle of no where will only hurt it's attendance.

  14. #14
    I'd rather C2E than work!
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Posts
    4,841

    Default

    The airport can't lose for winning. Now this falls in their lap.
    “Canada is the only country in the world that knows how to live without an identity,”-Marshall McLuhan

  15. #15
    C2E Junkie *
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Edmonton
    Posts
    14,228
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    If a track was not successful in the city, why would it be successful on the edge of the city?
    the first step - regardless of where it is in the region - if you want a first class track is to make sure it is a one mile track. when northlands refused - for whatever reasons over the years - to increase their oval from a 5/8 mile track horse racing remained doomed at that location. 5/8 mile tracks are slower and more dangerous and owners, trainers and jockeys all hate them. it's why cineplex is successful at south edmonton common and you can't catch a movie any more at the paramount theatre.
    Thanks, I know squat about tracks so I was wondering if there was any rational.

    12 furlongs is considered enough of a test of thoroughbred horses. 5 furlongs tend to bunch up and lead to no surprises. Like the 400m for humans, it allows for drama, endurance, and is completed in a relatively constant sprint.
    President and CEO - Airshow.

  16. #16

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Does anyone here actually go to the horse races now? I do. While I was at the Canadian derby half the idiots there had no clue what was going on. These people won't drive out to the airport for races.

    Horse Racing isn't a hot commodity in Edmonton.. pushing it out into the middle of no where will only hurt it's attendance.
    I have some inlaws that race horses so I've went a few times. Agreed - no clue what is going on, don't know how to bet, don't care. I only go to hang out. Honestly it's boring as all hell.
    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

  17. #17
    C2E Junkie *
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Edmonton
    Posts
    14,228
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Does anyone here actually go to the horse races now? I do. While I was at the Canadian derby half the idiots there had no clue what was going on. These people won't drive out to the airport for races.

    Horse Racing isn't a hot commodity in Edmonton.. pushing it out into the middle of no where will only hurt it's attendance.
    Maybe, maybe not.

    The horse culture in Leduc County and environs is huge. Red Deer, Ponoka, etc. are also big horse areas.

    I also thought Enoch had a great chance, but I get the airport locale. It creates a tourism complex at an area that also could draw fliers here. It would need stakes races to do so... and with the size proposed, it may do it.
    President and CEO - Airshow.

  18. #18
    C2E SME
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Sherwood Park, AB
    Posts
    11,577

    Default

    The area around the International Airport and The QEII is shaping up to be a great recreation, retail and entertainment area.
    "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

  19. #19

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    The horse culture in Leduc County and environs is huge. Red Deer, Ponoka, etc. are also big horse areas.

    Absolutely. I was a city kid through and through, but I have friends and relatives who compete in and attend rodeos and various agricultural events all over Alberta. I actually expect horse racing to do better near Century Casino, because I think it will draw the rural population better than Northlands.

    I think this will be good for horse racing.

  20. #20

    Default

    The airport should entertain the idea of having a dedicated through lane that can bypass all this for people going to the airport to catch a flight (perhaps at the airport perimeter road/airport road intersection). Between this and the new mall, the current highway-2 overpass seems very substandard.

  21. #21

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Does anyone here actually go to the horse races now? I do. While I was at the Canadian derby half the idiots there had no clue what was going on. These people won't drive out to the airport for races.

    Horse Racing isn't a hot commodity in Edmonton.. pushing it out into the middle of no where will only hurt it's attendance.
    Maybe, maybe not.

    The horse culture in Leduc County and environs is huge. Red Deer, Ponoka, etc. are also big horse areas.

    I also thought Enoch had a great chance, but I get the airport locale. It creates a tourism complex at an area that also could draw fliers here. It would need stakes races to do so... and with the size proposed, it may do it.
    My only thought on these counties is the population numbers are quite low. I was driving through Leduc County on the weekend when a sign proudly displayed 12,000 or so people living in it.

    People in red deer won't drive an hour and a half every weekend for betting on horses.

    I hope it does well but my guess is the vast majority of race goers who go to rexall won't make it out to the airport for the races. Just basing that off the random crowds that seem to show up at the races....

  22. #22
    C2E SME
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    Sherwood Park, AB
    Posts
    11,577

    Default

    One thing about Leduc County and Leduc, they've been among the fastest growing municipalities in Canada.
    "Talk minus action equals zero." - Joe Keithley, D. O. A.

  23. #23

    Default

    what does that matter? If the greater edmonton area can't make it to a very accessible and very well known establishment in the city why will they venture to the furthest corner of the city? A bigger horse track isn't the answer to getting good crowds.

  24. #24

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by gwill211 View Post
    Does anyone here actually go to the horse races now? I do. While I was at the Canadian derby half the idiots there had no clue what was going on. These people won't drive out to the airport for races.

    Horse Racing isn't a hot commodity in Edmonton.. pushing it out into the middle of no where will only hurt it's attendance.
    If you were only at the Canadian Derby yourself, that's hardly a good gauge of "normal." Not saying I have any better clue than "half the idiots" to be frank, but I do know attendance at a normal thoroughbred night is a fraction of the Canadian Derby.

    No secret that the sport fell off a cliff when Klein opened the VLT floodgates. I don't know if the size aspect and the location will trigger any kind of renaissance for the sport, but leaving it at Northlands certainly wasn't working.

    If the betting/spectating aspect of the sport actually makes any kind popular revival, it's going to have to involve a large proportion of people who at present are "clueless".
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  25. #25

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    No secret that the sport fell off a cliff when Klein opened the VLT floodgates.
    and "the new Edmonton racetrack will be able to accommodate 1,100 slot machines" to keep that flood going.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

  26. #26

    Default

    By the way, before we get our hopes too high, this is the reality of the sport at Century Casinos' Calgary facility:


    Source

    That's it. You can wander outside to where that spectator is standing in the background, or you can watch from the windows.

    Outdated image deleted]

    There are no other buildings associated with humans even noticing (although the races are video broadcast to other betting centres.)


    Source

    • Should still boost airport finances to some degree
    • Much of the development is probably going to be a VLT destination
    • Importantly we're getting a "full sized" track, while Calgary's is only the size of Northlands' track, so may be more of a draw
    • We may also get a "thoroughbred" capability, which Calgary lacks, and I'm told is a bigger draw than "standard bred"
    • Calgary had an 8-year gap and a miserable wake of broken dreams between shutting down the Stampede track and opening this one, while we should have continuity, so perhaps again we need greater capacity


    But still, I'm not expecting too much.
    Last edited by JayBee; 20-09-2016 at 03:48 PM.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  27. #27

    Default

    From the news articles it's seen as a casino to serve the south of the city and the market further south so that appears to be their focus. The track is a bonus.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

  28. #28

    Default

    It is what it is, but I hope we at least get better architecture than Calgary.


    (And a pre-emptive to the people who called that unrealistic when I said it about Premier Outlets at EIA needing to be nicer than Crossiron Mills (which unsurprisingly it will be.))
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  29. #29

    Default

    Century Downs doesn't look like a much improved experience over northlands - at least northlands has the grandstand outside, unless this one has too but isn't shown in that photo. I imagine this new airport track will be a close carbon copy of Century Downs.

    I don't expect Churchill Downs, but i hope it's better than Century Downs.

  30. #30

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    Century Downs doesn't look like a much improved experience over northlands - at least northlands has the grandstand outside, unless this one has too but isn't shown in that photo. I imagine this new airport track will be a close carbon copy of Century Downs.

    I don't expect Churchill Downs, but i hope it's better than Century Downs.
    This will be a longer track than Century Downs, so at least we know it will be better for the horses.

    And no, the only things not shown in that photo are the parking lot, the stables, and some unrelated industrial shacks at the North and South corners of the track. (well, and the VLT zone of the main building...)



    Source

    It looks worse than Belvedere:



    Source


    Want to see more details.
    Last edited by JayBee; 20-09-2016 at 03:22 PM.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  31. #31

    Default

    I found this rendering in the local Airdrie paper from 2013 - clearly plans changed.



    http://www.airdriecityview.com/Horse...rward-20131219

  32. #32

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    This will be a longer track than Century Downs, so at least we know it will be better for the horses.
    But those wiener dogs are going to have to start taking better care of themselves.

    Folks may want to get a taste of Century Downs to see what might be.

    I couldn't help but notice that there's a Pet Valu Warehouse only blocks away from CD...
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

  33. #33

    Default

    ^ lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Perspective View Post
    I found this rendering in the local Airdrie paper from 2013 - clearly plans changed.



    http://www.airdriecityview.com/Horse...rward-20131219
    Yeah, actually changed a lot. Biggest change was the location, for some reason. The render you've posted was of what they wanted to connect directly to Crossiron Mills.

    You can also see on Google Earth how they actually began construction of a full-length track adjacent to Crossiron, which has been abandoned.



    Source= Google Maps


    In a way I would liken the process they went through to our arena debate, except while our arena got steadily better, their track got steadily worse.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  34. #34

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    This will be a longer track than Century Downs, so at least we know it will be better for the horses.
    But those wiener dogs are going to have to start taking better care of themselves.

    Folks may want to get a taste of Century Downs to see what might be.

    I couldn't help but notice that there's a Pet Valu Warehouse only blocks away from CD...


    I didn't actually look at the official link you posted, but that gallery is, um, interesting. "Welcome to World Class Calgary" written all over it:














    edit - digging deeper, those I guess were the "promo shots" that they were aiming for (?????), which somehow segues into the "Winners Zone" reality shots:



    (at least she's wearing the same outfit)





    I swear I am not making this up.




    Oh please, Century Casinos, let ours be a touch classier.
    Last edited by JayBee; 20-09-2016 at 05:03 PM.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  35. #35
    C2E Continued Contributor
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Beaumont, ab
    Posts
    1,159

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JayBee View Post
    This will be a longer track than Century Downs, so at least we know it will be better for the horses.
    But those wiener dogs are going to have to start taking better care of themselves.

    Folks may want to get a taste of Century Downs to see what might be.

    I couldn't help but notice that there's a Pet Valu Warehouse only blocks away from CD...


    I didn't actually look at the official link you posted, but that gallery is, um, interesting. "Welcome to World Class Calgary" written all over it:








    Ummm yeah....probably NOT the typical crowd CD sees daily. Thinking more flannel, jeans and **** kickers. I think most people's heads would twist off if I brought the trophy in there with 6" stiletto's and a mini skirt...lol. She'll save that look for Cactus Club or Joeys....

  36. #36
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default

    Those women are clearly prostitutes trying to lure guys to blow their winnings on them!
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  37. #37
    I'd rather C2E than work!
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Posts
    4,841

    Default

    Talk about featureless bald a** prairie. It is so desolate around there who would want to go outside?
    “Canada is the only country in the world that knows how to live without an identity,”-Marshall McLuhan

  38. #38

    Default

    ^ The interior isn't any treat either. People really sit and crane their necks at a wall like this?

    Let's make Edmonton better.

  39. #39

    Default

    Brutal. I can't believe there are no grand stands. What fun is it to sit inside a building looking at a TV screen?

    However, the original render looked pretty good, and knowing those were the plans for the full sized track which has since been abandoned, perhaps those are the kind of plans they're making for Edmonton. If we get something similar to Century Downs, then that will be a big fail.

  40. #40

    Default

    Anyway. I guess this belongs in this thread. Note: This is just my guess for the location based on the article.


  41. #41

    Default

    I have been to the Calgary race track. It was very disappointing. The only seats inside to see the track is a restaurant that does not have tiers. So, unless you have the window seat, you see nothing. Then upstairs there is a couple of rooms that look like conference rooms. Again, unless you have the window seat, you don't have a good view. There isn't anywhere like Uplinks where they have good sized monitors to watch other race tracks (I believe we watched Northlands on a small TV). It was EXTREMELY windy that day as around Cross Iron Mills it is windy a lot. We didn't want to stand outside and freeze so we didn't watch any of the Calgary races as we had no view from inside so we ended up betting on Edmonton. One of the best parts of Northlands is Colours and I would assume they make a lot of money there as it is normally sold out. There was NOTHING like that in Calgary.

    On the weekend, the traffic is horrific to get in and out of that area as Cross Iron Mills is so busy. That may be the same in Edmonton once our mall opens too.

    In the end, I really have no desire to go back to the Calgary track. If that track were in Edmonton, we wouldn't go nearly as often as we go to Northlands. I hope they learned from that and our new Century Mile is better. I am optimistic that we will have a nice track with good venues.

  42. #42

    Default

    ^ that's exactly how it looks for sure. Thanks for the report.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Brutal. I can't believe there are no grand stands. What fun is it to sit inside a building looking at a TV screen?

    However, the original render looked pretty good, and knowing those were the plans for the full sized track which has since been abandoned, perhaps those are the kind of plans they're making for Edmonton. If we get something similar to Century Downs, then that will be a big fail.
    Yup. Worried.

    That 'original render' was for a kindof "Crossiron Casino Resort" concept. I believe it was to include a hotel in that tower. Not really sure about the financial backing the project had, but part of the plan depended on being physically connected to the mall, and I do think the synergy there would have helped the project, but for whatever reason the track was moved and reduced. I'd suspect the success of Crossiron thus far made that land too expensive to justify the low density of the track. I'm thinking they get more big box retail in that space instead.

    The reasons to hope that I can think of:

    1. Full length track deserves a better human facillity
    2. Complete continuity of the sport in the region should carry better momentum for the sport
    3. Thoroughbreds draw more fans than standard bred
    4. Casino competition in Edmonton is amping up at both Gateway Casinos (ICE District and WEM), need to do more to get noticed.



    Still worried though

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Anyway. I guess this belongs in this thread. Note: This is just my guess for the location based on the article.

    That's exactly the spot.
    Last edited by JayBee; 26-09-2016 at 11:59 PM.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  43. #43

    Default

    I agree with you JayBee about the standardbred versus thoroughbred and the track length (which will also attract better horses). What is weird about the Calgary track is that it isn't even compatible for thoroughbred. They don't have the proper railings and they would have to do a reno to ever have thoroughbred racing. My spouse's theory is that Century Downs wanted to put a casino in Calgary and they only way they could was to build a race track.

    When I look at the google image of the Century Downs in Calgary, it looks like they had started to create the larger track to the left of the one they did build.

    Anyway, I am optimistic about Edmonton. They have agreed to thoroughbred and Standardbred and a certain amount of racing all year long. They must see that their food sales probably suck in Calgary because the restaurant is small. The casino is going to be double the size and hopefully they recreate something like Colours. My fingers are crossed.

    When I am in Calgary next, I have no desire ever to return to Century Downs. Been there done that and didn't really enjoy.

  44. #44

    Default

    ^ yeah, they did start building a full sized track, and then abandonned it for some reason. I think it was a different group, not Century Casinos, that was going for that vision, but I'm not sure. That whole project had more starts and stops than an ETS route.


    By the way, I just had a look at "Century Casino Calgary", and oh wow...



    ... very little confidence that this company will pull anything off of note.

    Belvedere, actual Belvedere, is the best this company can do?
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  45. #45

    Default

    That's a picture of the back of the building, right?

  46. #46

    Default

    ^ ha ha, no dice.

    This is the back:



    If anyone is in Calgary, they can check it out in person at the "Hurricane Crossfire" concert on October 1st (one of four concerts in October!) Tickets are free!
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  47. #47

    Default

    Holy crap that's a pathetic and ugly looking casino. Do they not want people to visit?

  48. #48

    Default

    ^ this one may have had a circumstantial history of which I'm unaware, and could easily be a temporary stage of their strategy or something, but what worries me more is the garbage they built new just last year for the Calgary track.



    I think I read that they're planning on building a 3 storey building with the YEG track. Now where have I seen a three storey building recently?
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  49. #49

    Default

    That looks like a three story building.

  50. #50

    Default

    Wait and see, I guess, but expectations are not high.

    On another note, this is their neighbour, the Red Tail Landing (golf) Clubhouse:



    http://www.playgolfalberta.com/redta...gcoursereview/


    If they have any pride at all, they should try to fit in to the neighbourhood.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  51. #51

    Default

    ^looks like a big suburban house, terrible.

    Found a render, i enlarged it so the quality has bee compromised, but the actual render is in the link and it's quite small. Seeing as the Calgary one is not even close to their original render, I would take this with a mountain of salt:



    From: http://www.leducrep.com/2016/09/23/h...o-leduc-county

  52. #52

    Default

    The caption says this is "a rendering of the grandstand", but I don't actually see a grand stand.

  53. #53
    I'd rather C2E than work!
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Posts
    4,841

    Default

    Could it be the grandstand is the enclosed portion to the left?
    “Canada is the only country in the world that knows how to live without an identity,”-Marshall McLuhan

  54. #54

    Default

    Hard to tell. Need more pictures.

  55. #55
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    Ummm, either way it's sinfully ugly. I wonder what the other bidders offered. Could working with the River Cree have provided worse?

  56. #56

    Default

    River Cree is still using a quonset hut. That's not exactly a top of the line operation over there either.

  57. #57
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    ^fair. They all sound lousy.

  58. #58

    Default

    “Our proposal graded the highest out of the criteria that they had,” said Paul Ryneveld, Century Casinos spokesperson and racing manager of the Century Downs track. “Not only was it about what the place looked like, but financial [aspects] and timelines for construction.”

    Ryneveld said the financial case for their track is built on the hopes that, by building south of Edmonton, they'll tap an under-served market.

    “It's very similar to what we did with Century Downs,” Ryneveld said. “Here we're about 19 miles or so out of the city...It sets up very similarly, and I would say the development in the Leduc/Nisku area is greater than what was out here in Balzac, and to top it off, there's the [outlet mall] coming. And with the Henday, and everything jumping the Henday and growing south, there is no gaming south of the Whitemud.
    http://www.leducrep.com/2016/09/23/h...o-leduc-county


    1. They seem to consider the Calgary venture a successful model. ()
    2. They don't seem to see significant differences in the Edmonton opportunity. (full track + total continuity + thoroughbreds + beautiful location = "it sets up similarly")
    3. They look like they're reusing the same blueprints.




    Okay then, stucco walls, purple banners blocking the view of the races themselves, and a trackside sidewalk, here we come!
    Last edited by JayBee; 02-10-2016 at 06:20 AM.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  59. #59

    Default

    lol. That sounds about right. Let's hope they surprise us.

  60. #60

    Default

    This is encouraging. The contributors here have done more analysis and critical thinking about this decision than the stakeholders in horse racing.
    River Cree's proposal was for a $200-million facility. It included two racing surfaces: a dedicated one-mile thoroughbred racetrack and, a 7/8ths-mile dedicated standardbred track inside the mile track. It also included a 500-seat tiered dining room overlooking the racetrack, a 3,000- seat elevated grandstand, a treed picnic area beside the track, an RV-park, dorms, an 800-stall barn area, a veterinary clinic and a horse sale pavilion that contained a horseracing & cultural exhibition centre.
    River Cree has an existing 5/8ths racetrack with 120-stalls that would have been incorporated as an educational facility for Olds College and an auxiliary training facility. This existing racetrack has been operating as a training track for decades.
    Century Downs has been in horse racing for a year and a half with an inadequate racing facility and a spartan casino. They currently wager about $20,000/race day. Obviously, they only have horse racing as a vehicle to get slot machines.
    River Cree has about 1,100 slot machines, and they each generate $23 net-win/hour. Century Downs generates less than 25% of that with about 550 slot machines, each generating $10 net-win/hour. Horse racing is a pursuit based on past performance. You tell me who is a more successful gaming operator.
    Why did the HRA choose Century over River Cree? Especially when you consider that Century is an Austrian company that now controls all of the horse racing in Alberta.

  61. #61

    Default

    Well, somebody sure knows a lot about this issue. Welcome to C2E.

  62. #62
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    If that's all true, WTF?

  63. #63

    Default

    So BET, reading through your post again, and reading between the lines, I get the impression that in a fair and just world where common sense and logic rule, this would never have happened. Is Horse Racing Alberta an independent body, or subject to political interference?

  64. #64
    Plug C2E into my veins!!!
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Edmonton, Alberta, Westwood
    Posts
    16,587

    Default

    we still don't know what to has been proposed exactly do we?

  65. #65

    Default

    ^ I believe the bids were subject to non-disclosure-agreements.

    i.e., no transparancy possible. Yet we're dumping millions of public dollars into this industry.

    And to me, the only thing that would make sense about Century Casino's bid winning is that the others were in some way even worse.

    Going through this learning process, I'm convinced this decision is only going to hasten the sport's demise.


    Sure would like to know if my tax dollars are being handled responsibly. I wonder if that's really too much to ask.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  66. #66

    Default

    Perhaps River Cree didn't get the races due to regulations by AGLC. You cannot have table games (ie. poker, roulette, blackjack etc) connected with the casino licence at the racetrack. This is why Northlands doesn't have table games and only slots. I am not sure if Enoch was going to have their track close to their current casino or not.

  67. #67

    Default

    ^ It was to have been kitty corner to the Hotel, I guess. Possibly even connected with a pedway, or able to have been at some future point. (Something I would strongly support.)


    Honestly, I want the airport to succeed, and having another magnet/sale/lease or whatever would help, but more than that I wish we could get an actual "attraction" out of it.

    Century Downs is embarassing, depressing, and frankly more of a repellent.

    The kindest term I can far-reachingly conjure is "a morbid curiosity."

    Century Mile?

    I don't see the significant difference. It looks like a forgotten aside to a badly run small town VLT slum.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  68. #68

    Default

    Yes it is all true. And yes WTF!
    It is distressing that an Austrian Company now controls all of the horse racing and off-track betting in Alberta, especially when there were qualified experienced local investors.
    It is correct that a REC (Racing Entertainment Centre) license does not allow table games, just slots and VLTs. It is also accurate that River Cree was going to build a separate facility attached via pedway to their existing casino and hotel. As has been pointed out you cannot have a casino license and a REC license in the same building.
    The applicants were not allowed to discuss their proposals. This extended to information sessions with stakeholders to get feedback. This makes no sense.
    Last edited by BET; 03-10-2016 at 09:21 PM.

  69. #69

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    So BET, reading through your post again, and reading between the lines, I get the impression that in a fair and just world where common sense and logic rule, this would never have happened. Is Horse Racing Alberta an independent body, or subject to political interference?
    The HRA is an independent body at arm's length from the Government. The Board is chaired by a former PC Deputy Premier appointed by a PC Government. I think you can say it is political. HRA has granted a Racing License but it will be up to AGLC to grant the Gaming License. There are a number of hurdles that must be cleared before a gaming license is granted. AGLC has financial stipulations that must be met for example, the debt to equity ratio cannot be greater than 2.5. They have ongoing net working capital provisions, etc.
    Here's the pivotal thing:"Section 3.12 CONTROL OF THE REC INDUSTRY. No person, affiliated group of persons or a company will be allowed to control the REC Industry in Alberta." This was amended in March of 2016 prior to which it used to read,No persons or company could have more than one REC license. Given the eventual winner, the timing of this amendment is disconcerting.
    Last edited by BET; 03-10-2016 at 10:10 PM. Reason: grammar

  70. #70

    Default

    Corruption. It's not just for Quebec anymore.

  71. #71
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default

    http://thehorses.com/about/board-of-directors

    Rick LeLacheur Chair
    A career board of director of everything under the sun, most notable for helping to drive the Esks into the ground

    Shirley McClellan Chief Executive Officer
    Former deputy premier and finance minister during the Ralph Klein regime. One cannot help but wonder what favors the horse racing industry gained when she was in power.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  72. #72

    Default

    To be fair, horse racing industry had no better enemy than Klein.

    But to be clear, this soon-to-injure-eyes is about the VLT's, not the horses.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  73. #73

    Default

    Licence extended for horse racing at Northlands

    POSTMEDIA NEWS
    Published on: November 3, 2016 | Last Updated: November 3, 2016 5:14 PM MDT



    Horse racing will continue at Northlands into June 2018 while the industry transitions to a new venue that is set to open shortly after.

    Horse Racing Alberta and Northlands reached the agreement Thursday.

    Alberta’s industry will be moving to a new home called Century Mile, which will be located between the Edmonton International Airport and the RedTail Landing golf course. The track deal with Century Casinos Inc. to build and operate the new facility was announced in September. The one-mile track set to open in July 2018 will come with stabling for 800 horses.

    Shirley McClellan, CEO of Horse Racing Alberta, said she’s pleased with the licensing extension.

    “The agreement allows the industry a seamless transition into Century Mile while addressing the unique needs of all breeds,” she said.

    Northlands president and CEO Tim Reid echoed the statement. “It is a win for the City of Edmonton in that it allows administration time to evaluate future area redevelopment plans in accordance with the council motion and timelines and it is a win for Northlands in that it affords us the time to continue to work on our future development plans.”
    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-at-northlands
    Let's make Edmonton better.

  74. #74
    C2E Long Term Contributor
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    32,601

    Default

    Liquor board approves new Edmonton-area horse racing facility

    http://edmontonjournal.com/business/...acing-facility

    Be interesting to see what happens if Northlands decides to keep their race track.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

  75. #75
    Becoming a C2E Power Poster
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Downtown
    Posts
    190

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Liquor board approves new Edmonton-area horse racing facility

    http://edmontonjournal.com/business/...acing-facility

    Be interesting to see what happens if Northlands decides to keep their race track.
    I'm really hoping they incorporate infield rodeo infrastructure (bucking chutes) into the plans. Outdoor facilities have been needed for decades.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •