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    Challenging conditions today with about 24 hours of light but persistent snow forecast and cold temperatures. Will be interesting to see how the city responds.

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    I drove a number of roads this morning. Just fine except for longer than normal backed up traffic - in the normal places - normal due to poor design.

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    Yeah roads were fine for the most part. Henday was very slick on the west leg from the NS bridge to St Albert trail even though it looked dry for the most part.

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    Well the roads are pretty slippery this afternoon in my opinion. Traction control going off while going uphill on Fox Drive and Belgravia Road. And yes, I do have winters.

    Saw one maintenance vehicle out there dropping something down. Hopefully it was sand rather than calcium chloride given the temperature.

    Did not see any snowplows.

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    The roads are fine. And saw a sanding truck.

    However this afternoon heading south over the the Whitemud bridge, traffic was backed up by a semi, crawling along in the left lane with its flashers on. Everyone was swinging into the right lane to get around it. I briefly further slowed down everyone to give the semi driver a chance to start moving to the far right hand lane. The driver did nothing and I got honked at by the person behind me for the common sense curtesy. We’re surrounded by amateurs!

    An hour later heading north, the traffic was at a crawl again because two cars were banged up on thd bridge.




    Cracking Down on Drivers Holding Up the Left Lane | Best States | US News
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    "When you're creating a bottleneck of traffic, you're no longer following the basic traffic rules," Folden says. "In driver's ed you're taught to use the left lane to pass and get back over, but somewhere along the line we lost that. People just get in a lane and feel entitled to it and stay there."

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    The roads are fine. And saw a sanding truck.

    However this afternoon heading south over the the Whitemud bridge, traffic was backed up by a semi, crawling along in the left lane with its flashers on. Everyone was swinging into the right lane to get around it. I briefly further slowed down everyone to give the semi driver a chance to start moving to the far right hand lane. The driver did nothing and I got honked at by the person behind me for the common sense curtesy. We’re surrounded by amateurs!

    An hour later heading north, the traffic was at a crawl again because two cars were banged up on thd bridge.




    Cracking Down on Drivers Holding Up the Left Lane | Best States | US News
    By Alexis Wainwright, Contributor
    April 10, 2017,

    "When you're creating a bottleneck of traffic, you're no longer following the basic traffic rules," Folden says. "In driver's ed you're taught to use the left lane to pass and get back over, but somewhere along the line we lost that. People just get in a lane and feel entitled to it and stay there."

    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...-the-left-lane

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    Roads weren't too bad on my way home, but people gotta sweep off their cars before venturing out. So many snowy roofs & obscured rear windows.
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    Damn straight. That is a huge issue.
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    Had a guy, burnt out brakelight on one side. No lights on. Fully obscured rear window AND side mirror. Plus he didn't use his signals. Behind him down 97 Ave today. Scariest part of the drive, so I gave him pleeeeenty of room & got in the other lane once I was clear of the tunnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
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    It is easy for Medwards to read the brand and type on spinning tires of other cars as his eyes spin in their sockets LOL

    More a fetish for winter tires or stocks in Goodyear......

    A fetish for driving safe, and equipping my vehicle so I'm not at the whims of the city and province road clearing schedule. I know, I know, you've driven 75 years on all-season tires and never had an incident, but always the first one to gripe come every snow fall, with fond memories of your childhood in Winterpeg and how they lick cleaned the roads the moment a snowflake fell
    And they still do my little ray of sunstroke.That's what REAL WINTER CITIES DO!! You have a problem being wrong. One day, you WILL admit it...Here is the difference between you and I. Your skill set depends on equipment on your car,or what ever it is you drive. Mine on knowledge and aptitude. I drive far more than just little mommy and daddy suvs. Rather many different kinds of large vehicles. Not all are equipped the same. SO, this means I MUST know how to handle them in ANY condition on any surface. I cannot help the fact that this city is an absolute farce with it's roads and that folks like you accept it as normal. I gave the numbers previous illustrating what a joke this city is with snow removal and you posted NOTHING to refute the fact that this city is woefully negligent and and utter disgrace. Embarrassment is a better term. Tell ya what...You spend the extra and drive in excess of conditions on YOUR SNOW TIRES. I'll Stick with my OLD FASHIONED all seasons and drive within the conditions. Happy driving....LOLOLOLOL

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    So far about 7 cm of snow and about 180 crashes...

    http://edmontonsun.com/news/crime/mo...4-df6911d5e953



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    Nice little rant cnr, but again, As mentioned in the past,

    driving skill + properly equipped vehicle = medwards

    driving skill + driving on frozen horse turds + thoughts and prayers that snow plows will save the day= cnr67

    whos the one who blows gaskets the moment it snows = cnr67

    whos the one whos okay with snow on road = medwards

    anyone find it funny that only all season tire drivers are the only ones cnr thinks drives to the conditions? Apprently snow tires automatically means you drive out of control. Quite the opposite me thinks.
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    109 street south of Whyte: unplowed. Calgary Trail south of Whyte: unplowed.

    Whyte Avenue on the other hand has been plowed to reveal a beautifully pebbled ice surface. No sand anywhere. Good for curling, not so much so for driving.

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    I was pretty surprised how much snow was on 104th avenue this morning from 105-124th. It was difficult to maintain lanes, not because they were covered, but because the dense, partially packed snow was kicking my car around (5 series BMW w/ AWD and excellent winter tires, so no slouch). Not a big deal on a quiet Saturday when most people are staying underneath the covers, but that's a pretty major road that hadn't seen a plow in 12+ hours by all appearances.

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    76th avenue unplowed, deep ruts.

    76th avenue bike lanes cleared to pavement, totally bare.

    Number of cars on 76th between 104th street and 109th: about twenty. Number of bikes: zero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    109 street south of Whyte: unplowed. Calgary Trail south of Whyte: unplowed.

    Whyte Avenue on the other hand has been plowed to reveal a beautifully pebbled ice surface. No sand anywhere. Good for curling, not so much so for driving.
    At -20 (-29 with the wind) sand, before it was pushed aside by tires rolling through it, would just polish that ice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by OffWhyte View Post
    109 street south of Whyte: unplowed. Calgary Trail south of Whyte: unplowed.

    Whyte Avenue on the other hand has been plowed to reveal a beautifully pebbled ice surface. No sand anywhere. Good for curling, not so much so for driving.
    At -20 (-29 with the wind) sand, before it was pushed aside by tires rolling through it, would just polish that ice.
    Ice does not feel a wind chill; only people do. As far as the ice is concerned -20 is -20 no matter how strong the wind.

    You keep saying sand just polishes the ice. I disagree: at these temperatures I believe it to be the only option. My time in Yellowknife supports this. I haven't found anything on the internet to support your claim but if you can find something to substantiate it I'd happily change my view.

    The best option would have been to try and avoid the formation of the ice layer in the first place. Early and frequent plowing would have helped. Also strict avoidance of calcium chloride and other road salts would help too; I hope the city hasn't been trying to use their brine.

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    Wind will matter. There’s maybe a bit of heat rising from the ground and sun warming the dark surface and sand. Wind will ensure that -20 is -20 and not something warmer at the surface.

    Also, sun warmed sand will sink into hardpack. I’m not sure whether that would be good for traction or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Wind will matter. There’s maybe a bit of heat rising from the ground and sun warming the dark surface and sand. Wind will ensure that -20 is -20 and not something warmer at the surface.
    Fair enough, but as you correctly state it doesn't magically change the temperature from -20C to -29C which is a common misconception about wind chill.

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    Unacceptable


    Every other city the roads get cleared.

    Edmonton doesn't seem to mind the mediocrity

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadzia2000 View Post
    Unacceptable


    Every other city the roads get cleared.

    Edmonton doesn't seem to mind the mediocrity
    Not every other city: snow clearing is terrible in Calgary too. Worse maybe. Currently they've had to close an 18 km stretch of Deerfoot through the heart of the city due to unsafe conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jadzia2000 View Post
    Unacceptable


    Every other city the roads get cleared.

    Edmonton doesn't seem to mind the mediocrity
    Not every city, Saskatoon is another town with hap hazard snow clearing. CGY comes close to Edmonton in it's wait and tolerate mentality to winter maintenance.
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    The reason that snow-clearing is so "hap-hazard" is that all the people who KNOW what needs to be done are sitting on their a$$es on comment boards.
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Hopefully the city will do a better job of tagging and towing vehicles on snow routes. Last weekend in our neighbourhood a truck was left there ( called to complain back in Nov as it was in the same spot for months). Called 311 twice over the weekend and nothing was done. Called again this week, and a notice was issued. However now the recent snow is covering the ticket that is on the wiper blade... sighhhh. If the graders go around it again, there will be even more snow piled up against the truck.

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    ^You should call EPS non emergency number and let them know about the truck. It could be a stolen vehicle and just left there and that is why it has not been moved.
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    <RANT ON>
    Again today I ventured out after the latest major snowfall and I again found myself leaving the confines of this fair city managed by the Corporation of the City of Edmonton. Upon leaving said major city on a major arterial roadway that was snowpacked and slippery, particularly at intersections, with frozen ice patches protruding upwards, I then enter the rarefied domain of a provincial government highway, where to my shock an amazement, the road was clear and black, ice free, and I knew what lane I was in, and could drive the posted speed limit.

    WHY?!?!?!
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    Different SLA/policy and plowing next to a field at high speed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    The reason that snow-clearing is so "hap-hazard" is that all the people who KNOW what needs to be done are sitting on their a$$es on comment boards.
    As opposed to...........Calling 311?? Or calling our alderPERSON. Gender sensitivities you know. KNOWING how effective that is.OR???? How about blowing the back alley and keeping it clear for the neighbors. I don't park in the back. My elderly neighbors do.The end of our block hadn't been sanded for a period of a month. This was back in Nov/Dec. And so having a 1/2 ton, loaded up some gravel and laid it down. Since the community boxes are for sidewalks, I couldn't take enough to do a thorough job of it. Still, it was better than the city had offered...NOTHING!! So...What have you contributed to the effort then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    The reason that snow-clearing is so "hap-hazard" is that all the people who KNOW what needs to be done are sitting on their a$$es on comment boards.
    As opposed to...........Calling 311?? Or calling our alderPERSON. Gender sensitivities you know. KNOWING how effective that is.OR???? How about blowing the back alley and keeping it clear for the neighbors. I don't park in the back. My elderly neighbors do.The end of our block hadn't been sanded for a period of a month. This was back in Nov/Dec. And so having a 1/2 ton, loaded up some gravel and laid it down. Since the community boxes are for sidewalks, I couldn't take enough to do a thorough job of it. Still, it was better than the city had offered...NOTHING!! So...What have you contributed to the effort then?
    I can say I haven't contributed anything because I can get where I am going with the service the COE is providing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by cnr67 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    The reason that snow-clearing is so "hap-hazard" is that all the people who KNOW what needs to be done are sitting on their a$$es on comment boards.
    As opposed to...........Calling 311?? Or calling our alderPERSON. Gender sensitivities you know. KNOWING how effective that is.OR???? How about blowing the back alley and keeping it clear for the neighbors. I don't park in the back. My elderly neighbors do.The end of our block hadn't been sanded for a period of a month. This was back in Nov/Dec. And so having a 1/2 ton, loaded up some gravel and laid it down. Since the community boxes are for sidewalks, I couldn't take enough to do a thorough job of it. Still, it was better than the city had offered...NOTHING!! So...What have you contributed to the effort then?
    I can say I haven't contributed anything because I can get where I am going with the service the COE is providing...
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    Roads have been fine for driving, no complaints and I'm just running all seasons no prob at all.

    However cheaping out on sanding intersections and roads is making life harder for people to walk. Basically on roads you cross your doing the duck walk and I wear Merrels designed for walking on ice. When they clear roads with graders they should focus a bit on clearing out some of the intersections and sides as well. Which would make it a lot easier on pedestrians.

    Another fail is the windrows. C'mon city of Edmonton. Picture that somebody might be trying to get somewhere in a wheelchair or motorized scooter. What on earth would that person do? EVERY end of block sidewalk should be cleared. Every one. Homeownwers are no better. The majority is people on corner lots not even thinking to clear egress so that people can continue walking in any direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Roads have been fine for driving, no complaints and I'm just running all seasons no prob at all.

    However cheaping out on sanding intersections and roads is making life harder for people to walk. Basically on roads you cross your doing the duck walk and I wear Merrels designed for walking on ice. When they clear roads with graders they should focus a bit on clearing out some of the intersections and sides as well. Which would make it a lot easier on pedestrians.

    Another fail is the windrows. C'mon city of Edmonton. Picture that somebody might be trying to get somewhere in a wheelchair or motorized scooter. What on earth would that person do? EVERY end of block sidewalk should be cleared. Every one. Homeownwers are no better. The majority is people on corner lots not even thinking to clear egress so that people can continue walking in any direction.
    There's a guy in my neighborhood that owns a corner lot, and never once has he cleared the side of his home only his front area.

    The other day I saw him take snow off of his property and dump it on the road.

    Isn't that a violation?

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    Both issues are in the COE Bylaws

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    No Lazy Azz who won't shovel their sidewalks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    No Lazy Azz who won't shovel their sidewalks
    There is one house in my neighborhood where every year there never has been anyone shoveling snow. My guess is the homeowner leaves town for the winter as they may be snowbirds. But don't they still need to make arrangements for someone to clear their sidewalk? I'm guessing no one has ever called it in to complain.

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    I'd use the 311 app and report them. I'd also report any vehicles that seem to have found a permanent resting spot on the roadway, and never move. The city road isn't the final resting spot for your shitter, or a place for long term storage. Get it off the road. Shovel your sidewalk

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    They bladed my street yesterday.

    Skimmed off the top half-inch or so, left most of the slush holes. Maybe a 10% improvement thanks to removal of some of the worst bumps.
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    The roads are not fine. Yellowhead eastbound has been closed between Fort Road and 66 Street it's so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highlander II View Post
    They bladed my street yesterday.

    Skimmed off the top half-inch or so, left most of the slush holes. Maybe a 10% improvement thanks to removal of some of the worst bumps.
    They did the same here...at 11:30pm on Monday night. Left a 30 inch windrow..Yes I measured it in front of my neighbor's driveway and left it. Seniors no less. I took my machine and cleared it out along with the mess they piles next to my vehicle. 23 hours later..at 10:30pm on Tuesday, a bobcat comes by and begins removing the windrows from in front of the driveways...WOW..I'm sooooooooooo impressed.23 HOURS later. Call it common sense, would that not have made more sense WHEN the street was given the butter knife blade job? OH WAIT>>>>>>>>Edmonton. I really must learn to accept this as normal.
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    Was it a butterknife or a 30 inch windrow?

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    Seasonal parking ban got lifted late last night.
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    98 Ave, WB approaching the circle - YIKES - serious ice.

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    ^That's a good heads up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    98 Ave, WB approaching the circle - YIKES - serious ice.

    Take care
    Sand and gravel use shouldn't be forgotten as much as it has been. We're growing some really quality curling ice in the city. well polished, honed, and theres real risk of running rocks right through the house...

    Actually it would be funny to take some curling stones to some of the roads and test out the conditions. Whatever you do don't use takeout weight...

    As long as its not the kind of ice where your vehicle slides sideways or downhill because its so damned slippery I'm generally ok with the conditions. Just at some point they can become generally untenable road surfaces.
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    Yellowhead East of Gretzky is very slick The city has poured abundant amounts of sand/salt and it's still very slick. Take care.
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    I have a 4x4. If I am in an unplowed area with lots of snow I put it in 4x4. I am never sure when I should be using ‘part time’ (that’s what it says on the dash).
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    ^ Whatever mode you feel safest in, Gem. You control the car, not the car control you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by howie View Post
    ^ Whatever mode you feel safest in, Gem. You control the car, not the car control you.
    This is true for sure.
    At one time I did not think twice about driving or what I drove. Used to drive to work in busy traffic conditions or when nobody was about. I would finish work at 11, 3 or 5 a.m in the morning (and in case you were wondering, I was not a stripper). Used to drive up 97th. Street at 3 a.m. Sunday morning and would be one of the first vehicles to hit the road during a newly forming snow storm. Not fretting about road conditions or what I was driving. Never had an accident during that time. Now I work from home I spend more time thinking about what vehicle I should get, if I should get snow tires, four wheel drive, standard, SUV, truck etc. that I end up sticking with what I have. Must be getting older because before I'd get in any old beater and just drive it. Now I'm beginning to realize I'm not invincible.
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