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Air/Rail Links Edmonton continues to improve its ranking as a major transportation hub for northern Canada and beyond. New air routes, more cargo, Port Alberta, a major rail operations centre and the related infrastructure are all part of this increasingly critical component of the region’s economic growth. Contribute your ideas and comments here.


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Old 20-09-2014, 05:41 AM   #2001
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“Two new airlines — Jetlines and Jet Naked — might fill this space within the next couple of years, providing they raise enough capital.”http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...092/story.html
That's a big "providing" though, why would you invest capital in a high risk low margin start up when you could invest capital in a low risk higher margin incumbent?
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Old 20-09-2014, 10:40 AM   #2002
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^ Westjet was a high risk low margin start-up too back in 1996. Risk and potential rate of return on initial investment are usually proportionate.
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Interesting article on Edmonton in Routes:

http://www.routes-news.com/airports/...ard-trajectory
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^Interesting article. Good find.
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Hearing KLM YEG to AMS 3 times a week starting this November. Guessing there will be an announcement soon.
I can't imagine a November start date, slowest time for flights in this country - but never know.
We're getting very tight on an announcement if this is to actually come through...
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Hearing KLM YEG to AMS 3 times a week starting this November. Guessing there will be an announcement soon.
I can't imagine a November start date, slowest time for flights in this country - but never know.
We're getting very tight on an announcement if this is to actually come through...
I was thinking the same thing it seems extremely unlikely to start in November now. However Tracy Bednard is retweeting KLM tweets again.
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I was thinking the same thing it seems extremely unlikely to start in November now. However Tracy Bednard is retweeting KLM tweets again.
It will happen. Be patient. More than likely an announcement for a spring launch. There is no way a November start now.
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Per tuffy on ssp (always right) announcement on November 3.
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Sweet, those who haven't paid attention, that would be YEG-AMS on KLM with an A332/A333 mix, 4 times weekly (most likely 1-3-5-6).

A330-200 (A332) - 244 seats, 30 World Business, 39 Economy Comfort, 175 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-200.php

A330-300 (A333) - 292 seats, 30 World Business, 40 Economy Comfort, 222 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-300.php
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:02 PM   #2010
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Is KLM still advertising at WEM about flying through YYC?

Great announcement but puzzled by their focus on funnelling traffic through YYC then turning around and providing service to YEG.

They must be getting a lot of Edmonton traffic
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:22 PM   #2011
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I don't know how much they're getting, but everyone knows how much YEG-Europe traffic is being forced through inefficient hub routings in either oblique (Toronto) or completely opposite (Calgary, Vancouver) directions, and aside from Scandinavia, London itself and Spain basically, Amsterdam is perfectly poised to hub YEG-Europe traffic. It's better than Frankfurt, geographically.

KLM's m.o. and AC's m.o. will be essentially the same in terms of routing (funnel everything through hubs), but the difference is Amsterdam makes sense to Europe, Toronto doesn't.
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:35 PM   #2012
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^ Time to officially switch alliances.....will try and book my next trip on Delta rather than Denver or Chicago!!!
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^ Which reminds me, I thought tuffyy also said we were getting Seattle on Delta.

Still think that would be a huge step for us (Vancouver price competition to East Asia.)
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Sweet, those who haven't paid attention, that would be YEG-AMS on KLM with an A332/A333 mix, 4 times weekly (most likely 1-3-5-6).

A330-200 (A332) - 244 seats, 30 World Business, 39 Economy Comfort, 175 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-200.php

A330-300 (A333) - 292 seats, 30 World Business, 40 Economy Comfort, 222 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-300.php
If that is the schedule:

London 1234567
Reykjavik 123456-
Amsterdam 1-3-56-

On Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays we could see 3 flights to Europe a day, though on Sundays only one. Not sure if Icelandair is increasing to daily, right now, they're showing 6 weekly for next summer.
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^ Which reminds me, I thought tuffyy also said we were getting Seattle on Delta.

Still think that would be a huge step for us (Vancouver price competition to East Asia.)
I don't understand this Delta love compared to other airlines. All they have done is reduced Minneapolis to regional flying and cut Salt Lake. Since the days of Northwest all they have done is quietly cut back Edmonton. They do not even fly 2 daily anymore.
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^^ Starting to resemble what we justify during the winter... Don't get me wrong, this would be great, it's just we still have a long road to travel.

In my dreamworld, BA or Virgin replaces AC on London, goes year-round, and LOT comes back.
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^ Which reminds me, I thought tuffyy also said we were getting Seattle on Delta.

Still think that would be a huge step for us (Vancouver price competition to East Asia.)
I don't understand this Delta love compared to other airlines. All they have done is reduced Minneapolis to regional flying and cut Salt Lake. Since the days of Northwest all they have done is quietly cut back Edmonton. They do not even fly 2 daily anymore.
I'm with you on this one. I won't fly Delta until they improve service here. Right now American is doing the best.
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^ Which reminds me, I thought tuffyy also said we were getting Seattle on Delta.

Still think that would be a huge step for us (Vancouver price competition to East Asia.)
I don't understand this Delta love compared to other airlines. All they have done is reduced Minneapolis to regional flying and cut Salt Lake. Since the days of Northwest all they have done is quietly cut back Edmonton. They do not even fly 2 daily anymore.
About Delta specifically, they started essentially as "the Atlanta Behemoth (plus a squeak of SLC)" but have been hurking and jerking through restructuring, bankruptcy, merger, and streamlining until basically now, where they are starting to be a "four hubs at the corners of the US plus MSP as midway for domestic transfers". As the evolution keeps steering towards that over the next few years, they'll be able to focus more on places like Edmonton being connected to their four corner hubs.

But that said, personally I don't care which airline, it's just when you get hubs competing against each other, the prices go down and/or service goes up, and business/tourist/familial traffic responds accordingly. In essence, higher bandwidth creates higher traffic.

Right now we (Edmonton) are still under a de jure monopoly to/from East Asia from Star Alliance through Vancouver.

Delta has a competitive hub right next door in Seattle. If they open themselves up with an incentive to fill their would-be Edmonton flights, they will intentionally compete against Vancouver/Star.

Even if you or I never end up flying via SEA, Star has to respond via Vancouver.
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^Edmonton to Shanghai via Seattle, $535 return with taxes. $200 lower than any other price recorded.

http://www.yegdeals.com/edmonton-to-...rd-obliterated
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I see that, that's fine when coincidentally both the Shanghai flight and the Alaska Airlines flight to Seattle have the perishable product in oversupply, but long-term, on a consistent basis Alaska doesn't exactly have a vested interest in filling Delta's transpacific seats.
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Sweet, those who haven't paid attention, that would be YEG-AMS on KLM with an A332/A333 mix, 4 times weekly (most likely 1-3-5-6).

A330-200 (A332) - 244 seats, 30 World Business, 39 Economy Comfort, 175 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-200.php

A330-300 (A333) - 292 seats, 30 World Business, 40 Economy Comfort, 222 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-300.php
If that is the schedule:

London 1234567
Reykjavik 123456-
Amsterdam 1-3-56-

On Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays we could see 3 flights to Europe a day, though on Sundays only one. Not sure if Icelandair is increasing to daily, right now, they're showing 6 weekly for next summer.
What about Air-Transat. Don't forget Air-Transat they were leaving Monday's so potentially there could be four.
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^They have quietly cancelled London-Gatwick next summer.
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Old 04-10-2014, 10:29 PM   #2023
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Not surprising really they were never committed to our market.
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What's with Montreal based airlines ignoring our market?

Air Canada and Air Transat are both based there - must be something in the water
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^ Not just airlines based in Quebec unfortunately.

Pretty much the only airlines that give Edmonton any possible interpretation of "priority" would be American Airlines, Icelandair, Canadian North, and in a weird way, Sunwing.
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^I disagree. AA and Icelandair are no different than any other airline feeding their respective hubs.

I would argue WestJet gives us "priority" by offering several routes such as Abbotsford, Comox, Kamloops, Palm Springs, Hamilton that could easily be hubbed through Calgary.
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AA and Icelandair give us things they don't give other cities in the Prairies.

Westjet doesn't.
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AA and Icelandair give us things they don't give other cities in the Prairies.

Westjet doesn't.
If you're talking about one route to LA on AA, I could mention one route to Yellowknife on WestJet.
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Ha ha, okay, Westjet gives us "priority" because they give us 11 less year-round destinations and 5 less seasonal than another city in the same province.

I think you're defining "priority" differently than I'm defining priority.
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That's their hub. If WestJet gave Edmonton the same treatment as AA or Icelandair, we'd have flights to Calgary and Toronto, that's it.
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Westjet does respond to the market, but that isn't what priority means.

Priority for any carrier is a function of ranking.

Edmonton is not Westjet's priority in Western Canada nor the Prairies, nor the Province.

Edmonton is Icelandair's priority in Western Canada.

Edmonton is American Airline's priority in the Prairies.
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Based on what? AA has 2 mainline flights to Calgary today and 1 to Edmonton, plus one express.
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What gets me is why WestJet will have flights going through Calgary for other points on the Prairies or North. For example, many of the flights to Saskatoon are through Calgary.
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Edmonton is American Airline's priority in the Prairies.
Based on what? AA has 2 mainline flights to Calgary today and 1 to Edmonton, plus one express.
Based on geographical coverage I guess, but you do have a point.

(By the way, I'm counting Phoenix as well (for both cities.))
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^^They do have two non-stop Edmonton-Saskatoon per day.
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Edmonton is American Airline's priority in the Prairies.
Based on what? AA has 2 mainline flights to Calgary today and 1 to Edmonton, plus one express.
Based on geographical coverage I guess, but you do have a point.

(By the way, I'm counting Phoenix as well (for both cities.))
Then it's 4 mainline vs 3 mainline + 1 express. Basically the same.
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^ Only if you overlook geographical coverage.

To me, whatever capacity we justify to Dallas we have to Dallas and we have Los Angeles.

Calgary only has the capacity they justify to Dallas. No L.A. I consider that a big difference.
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But now we have real choice. Not just Star Alliance. AA and FI aren't beholden to Dickhead VanPhuku.

If KLM to AMS is going to really happen ... maybe United etc might want to look at AC's value as a Star Alliance partner.

Cause from YEG, AC is increasingly an irrelevant lost cause, and not just in Ewwdmonton (AC language), but internationally.

Who likes two million lost customers, and if another alliance moves in - five pr six or more million lost customers? Besides AC I mean?

And it's so much closer than Dimwit has the mental capacity to see;

Two, at most three years. But it's like the three minute warning already for AC. Is Dimcrap the quarterback to make the winning drive?

Having lost every battle so far?

Reminds me of Buffalo in the Superbowl 0-5. *Snigger* Go Dimwit go.
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Sweet, those who haven't paid attention, that would be YEG-AMS on KLM with an A332/A333 mix, 4 times weekly (most likely 1-3-5-6).

A330-200 (A332) - 244 seats, 30 World Business, 39 Economy Comfort, 175 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-200.php

A330-300 (A333) - 292 seats, 30 World Business, 40 Economy Comfort, 222 Economy
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/KLM...s_A330-300.php
Sounds about right. I hope I'm not wrong!
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So semi-official now....KL to YEG. As per this post on Airliners.net

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc]It has been rumored before, but now confirmed to the Haarlems Dagblad newspaper by a [/COLOR][COLOR=#c4c8cc]KL[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc] spokesman.

[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc]No details yet on frequency and aircraft type, but the A332 would be the obvious choice IMHO.

[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial]http://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/region...LM-naar-Edmonton-in-Canada?lref=R3[/FONT]
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Probably could start a new thread with that news! Great indeed!
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Doesn't say the start date. Google Translate is so cute:

HEATHROW - KLM opens next year a new intercontinental destination: Edmonton in Canada.

Had already been announced that Bogotá (with Cali) in Colombia is included in the network. Earlier

Edmonton, Alberta Canadase was already served by Martinair in the past. KLM adds the destination to the network because of the business market (many oil industry) and tourism opportunities (Rocky Mountains), let Harm Kreulen, Director KLM Netherlands know.
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So semi-official now....KL to YEG. As per this post on Airliners.net

[FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc]It has been rumored before, but now confirmed to the Haarlems Dagblad newspaper by a [/COLOR][COLOR=#c4c8cc]KL[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc] spokesman.

[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#c4c8cc]No details yet on frequency and aircraft type, but the A332 would be the obvious choice IMHO.

[/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial]http://www.haarlemsdagblad.nl/region...LM-naar-Edmonton-in-Canada?lref=R3[/FONT]
Your post could stand a little editing.
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If that is the schedule:

London 1234567
Reykjavik 123456-
Amsterdam 1-3-56-
Actual European schedule:

London 1234567
Reykjavik 123456-
Amsterdam -2-45-7

On Tuesdays, Thursdays and Fridays we'll have three flights a day to Europe. Two on every other day.
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I'm saving the Champagne for the announcement. Needs to be year-round.
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Tweet from EIA.
@FlyEIA: Our friends @KLM would be welcome anytime! However no new flight has been added. @keesdenhartigh
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^^^ I really think EIA was not prepared for the KLM statement made in the paper in the Netherlands and then the schedule appearing in the GDS system.

It came ahead of the EIA announcement but rather than saying "no new flight has been added" they should have said "official announcement coming soon", the previous statement just sounds stupid and now looks stupid.

Who does the EIA tweets?

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On the other hand.
http://www.routesonline.com/news/29/...from-may-2015/
KLM to Start Edmonton Service from May 2015
First flight is currently scheduled on 03MAY15. Operational schedule is loaded in the reservation system, under Flight Information (FLIFO) section, with the remark “ENTIRE FLT- H/ SEGMENT NOT TO BE DISPLAYED” at present time.
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^They have quietly cancelled London-Gatwick next summer.
In addition, Air Transat announced a new connection between St. John's, Newfoundland & Labrador, and London, England, with two weekly flights in high season, in response to strong demand from travellers in the region. Elsewhere in Canada, the carrier will increase flight frequencies on its London routes as well, offering 10 weekly departures from Toronto, two each from Montreal and Halifax, six from Vancouver, and three from Calgary.
Read more at http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press...JsPclKAJ9av.99
Also interesting.
In 2015, Air Transat will no longer offer flights to Germany from Western Canada,
Read more at http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press...JsPclKAJ9av.99
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:04 PM   #2051
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Don't think losing this means that at all.
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:17 PM   #2052
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So why are our own Canadian airlines ignoring us while international airlines feel it is a good time to come in?
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:17 PM   #2053
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Don't think losing this means that at all.
I was joking.
How about this.
Airports with most Air Canada Destinations (June 2014)[citation needed]
Rank Airport Number of Destinations
1 Toronto, Ontario 153
2 Montreal, Quebec 76
3 Vancouver, BC 47
4 Calgary, Alberta 33
5 Ottawa, Ontario 32
6 Halifax, Nova Scotia 26
7 Edmonton, Alberta 12
8 Winnipeg, Manitoba 11
9 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 9
10 Regina, Saskatchewan 6
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:21 PM   #2054
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Air Canada nor any other airline is going to change until there is a shift in competion.
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Old 15-10-2014, 10:59 PM   #2055
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They have competition.

Largest WestJet Markets by Daily Departures (June 2014)[46]
Rank Airport Departures
1 Calgary, Alberta 92
2 Toronto, Ontario 86
3 Vancouver, BC 54
4 Edmonton, Alberta 52
5 Winnipeg, Manitoba 22
6 Kelowna, BC 15
7 Victoria, BC 13
8 Montreal, Quebec 12
8 Halifax, Nova Scotia 12
10 Ottawa, Ontario 11
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Pretty sad that AC only has 12 routes to serve a booming city like Edmonton (with most of them being Jazz service/regional jets at that).

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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
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^They have quietly cancelled London-Gatwick next summer.
In addition, Air Transat announced a new connection between St. John's, Newfoundland & Labrador, and London, England, with two weekly flights in high season, in response to strong demand from travellers in the region. Elsewhere in Canada, the carrier will increase flight frequencies on its London routes as well, offering 10 weekly departures from Toronto, two each from Montreal and Halifax, six from Vancouver, and three from Calgary.
Read more at http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press...JsPclKAJ9av.99
Also interesting.
In 2015, Air Transat will no longer offer flights to Germany from Western Canada,
Read more at http://www.stockhouse.com/news/press...JsPclKAJ9av.99
They've also dropped Ottawa.
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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
I appreciate that but it does illustrate the different level of service offered by both airlines.
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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
I appreciate that but it does illustrate the different level of service offered by both airlines.
Destinations as in nonstop flights is what matters. Flights via YYC or Mars from YEG are simply connections. Westjet famously tries to cloud the advertising deliberately.
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Don't think losing this means that at all.
I was joking.
How about this.
Airports with most Air Canada Destinations (June 2014)[citation needed]
Rank Airport Number of Destinations
1 Toronto, Ontario 153
2 Montreal, Quebec 76
3 Vancouver, BC 47
4 Calgary, Alberta 33
5 Ottawa, Ontario 32
6 Halifax, Nova Scotia 26
7 Edmonton, Alberta 12
8 Winnipeg, Manitoba 11
9 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan 9
10 Regina, Saskatchewan 6
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada
Its interesting, because its quite different from passenger numbers, where Calgary is number 3 ahead of Montreal, I guess that's because Calgary is WJ's hub, Montreal as AC's HQ would I guess boost their destinations higher than the passenger numbers would justify.

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I think it's a fair statement that our market isn't justifiedly served by any domestic carrier (yes Westjet is closest to "acceptable".)
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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
I appreciate that but it does illustrate the different level of service offered by both airlines.

As in AC has 12 apples and Westjet has 52 oranges?

eg: AC may have (for the sake of this discussion) 10 departures to Toronto a day, same for Vancouver and Calgary. So that's 30 departures for 3 destinations. Not the same stat at all and comparing the two does not advance any argument.
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Its interesting, because its quite different from passenger numbers, where Calgary is number 3 ahead of Montreal, I guess that's because Calgary is WJ's hub, Montreal as AC's HQ would I guess boost their destinations higher than the passenger numbers would justify.
^ Montréal is the vastly more important international airport. Difference is they take medium speed trains to places like New York, Ottawa, Quebéc City, and Toronto. Calgarians like to imagine that's any different.

Montréal has easily quadruple the number of international passengers little Pudgary has, and the highest percentage of international travellers in the Country.

Oh, and change your location.
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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
I appreciate that but it does illustrate the different level of service offered by both airlines.
Destinations as in nonstop flights is what matters. Flights via YYC or Mars from YEG are simply connections. Westjet famously tries to cloud the advertising deliberately.
How may times do you need to be called out on this?

WestJet has 29 non-stop destinations from Edmonton.

Air Canada has 12. Give me a break.
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Note that the AC chart is destinations and Westjet is departures. Big difference.
I appreciate that but it does illustrate the different level of service offered by both airlines.

As in AC has 12 apples and Westjet has 52 oranges?

eg: AC may have (for the sake of this discussion) 10 departures to Toronto a day, same for Vancouver and Calgary. So that's 30 departures for 3 destinations. Not the same stat at all and comparing the two does not advance any argument.
Any way you weigh it 52lbs of oranges is a lot more than 12Kg of apples.
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As someone who loves comparing apples to oranges, what these lists tells me is that Westjet ranks Edmonton 4th, one single flight behind Vancouver and a whopping 30 ahead of Winnipeg, while AC ranks Edmonton 7th, one single route ahead of Winnipeg and a whopping 14 behind Halifax.

No doubt, no matter how much you homogenise your fruitiness, AC isn't even trying here.
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And really, both airlines are facing some tough choices in this market.

Last four flights I've been on there's been a grand total of one empty seat.

Well, not really - one flight was 100% full with one seat oversold.

btw - 2 flights WJ, 2 flights AC.

So, if they want to grow in this market, they're going to need more metal and as I think you're correct JayBee that AC could-care-less that's either going to be a new player in the market or WJ.
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How about vegetable to vegetable? Like # of PAX each carries out of this airport?

And I am not an apologist for Air Canada, just for cogent arguments using the same statistics for a valid comparison.
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How about vegetable to vegetable? Like # of PAX each carries out of this airport?

And I am not an apologist for Air Canada, just for cogent arguments using the same statistics for a valid comparison.
No one will ever have access to the number of passengers carried, but we can look at number of seats offered:

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Top 10 Airlines by Daily Seats
1. WestJet/WestJet Encore (7154)
2. Air Canada/Air Canada Express (4979)
3. United/United Express (759)
4. American Airlines/US Airways (278 )
5. Alaska Airlines (228 )
6. Canadian North (224)
7. Delta/Delta Connection (202)
8. Icelandair (183)
9. Central Mountain Air (172)
10. Air North (156)

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That's pretty conclusive as well, but the most important measure to me isn't passengers or flights or seats -- just routes, which is where AC should have a huge advantage, having trans-ocean class airliners...
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I'd like to see the breakdown/ratio of Westjet and AC between flights to YYC/YVR/YYZ and everywhere else. I would guess that a large majority of AC seats go to those three airports versus the other 9 routes they serve YEG.
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Old 17-10-2014, 10:41 AM   #2073
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^^^ That's more like it. So WJ has roughly 50% more passengers than AC. Cool.

Using the WJ departure vs AC destination stats demonstrated a difference of over 400% which clearly isn't the case.

And clearly, with almost 5000 passengers a day using AC, whatever we may think, they are still an incredibly important airline for us and we are an incredibly important market for them.

^and qft

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