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kkozoriz
21-05-2017, 04:32 PM
After two days on the road, White house spokesman says Trump is "exhausted". Not fatigued or tired, exhausted. From the guy his "doctor" said would be the healthiest person to ever hold the office.



A White House official told reporters that President Trump is "exhausted" just three days into his first trip abroad as president.


Trump was expected to say "Islamist extremism" during his speech to Muslim leaders in Saudi Arabia, but instead said "Islamic extremism."


When asked why Trump deviated from the prepared text of his speech, an administration official said Trump is "just an exhausted guy."


After the speech, Trump reportedly canceled his appearance at the Tweeps Forum. Ivanka Trump filled in for her father, speaking to about 400 people at the event.


http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trump-exhausted-three-days-into-first-trip-abroad-as-president-reports/article/2623768



Let's remember what Trump said about Clinton in the debate, shall we?



Donald Trump reiterated his view that Hillary Clinton "doesn't have the stamina" to be president during Monday night's debate.


"She doesn't have the look. She doesn't have the stamina, I said she doesn't have the stamina, and I don't believe she does have the stamina," Trump said.

Clinton responded: "As soon as he travels to 112 countries and negotiates a peace deal, a cease fire, a release of dissidents, an opening of new opportunities in nations around the world, or even spends 11 hours testifying in front of a congressional committee he can talk to me about stamina."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/27/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-stamina/

Edmonton PRT
21-05-2017, 07:40 PM
Saw Trump's speech.

I was waiting for him to say his trademark phrase “radical Islamic terrorism”. He railed against Obama for not using those words and Trump balked.


Flip flop Trump. Mostly flop...

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kkozoriz
22-05-2017, 03:36 PM
If you're keeping score.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18527683_1783441391673231_8009735464266463765_n.pn g?oh=c14a3bbed9c018c6621ee6eeb4d6b26f&oe=59B77C76

MrOilers
23-05-2017, 12:33 PM
The speech President Trump gave in Saudi Arabia was fantastic.

H.L.
23-05-2017, 12:37 PM
The speech President Trump gave in Saudi Arabia was fantastic.

It was! He was very well received in Isreal as well.

Edmonton PRT
24-05-2017, 07:24 PM
I have a question about hats...

Melania refuses to wear a headcovering in Muslim Saudi Arabia
Trump wears a kippah in Jewish Israel
Melania and Ivanka wear a black veil when meeting the Catholic Pope

Triple standard?

Please explain?

All three are male dominated religions who put women in second class positions

Spudly
24-05-2017, 08:34 PM
^Protocol. Visiting women don't have to wear headcover in Saudi, but they do to meet the Pope. Actually, the Pope isn't so fussy but the protocol is there and everyone follows it.

kkozoriz
24-05-2017, 08:45 PM
You can't make this stuff up.





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howie
24-05-2017, 11:41 PM
^ LOL!

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 09:30 AM
Trump meets European leaders as U.K. cuts off intel sharing over leaks
https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/05/25/trump-meets-european-leaders-as-uk-cuts-off-intel-sharing-over-leaks.html
Manchester police have decided not to share further information with U.S. officials, a sharp rebuke that comes as Trump arrives in Brussels for meetings with European leaders.


BRUSSELS—U.S. President Donald Trump opened meetings with European Union leaders Thursday against the backdrop of striking anger from Britain over intelligence leaks and a decision by Manchester police to withhold information from the United States about the investigation into this week’s bombing.


A British official said Thursday that Manchester police have decided not to share further information on the investigation due to leaks blamed on U.S. officials. The sharp rebuke comes as Trump is in Brussels, a city he once called a hellhole, to address leaders at both the European Union and NATO, a pair of alliances whose necessity he has questioned.


British Prime Minister Theresa May said she plans to discuss the leaks with her American counterpart at the NATO gathering to “make clear to President Trump that intelligence that is shared between our law enforcement agencies must remain secure.”

H.L.
25-05-2017, 09:50 AM
His trip looked like it went well. The alt left wont think so, but who cares what they think :)

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 09:55 AM
Everyone lowered their bar on their expectations. Trump did OK so far and kept to the script of the speeches that his people prepared for him. I guess his twit account does not work from there.

howie
25-05-2017, 10:17 AM
^ Thankful for small mercies.

kkozoriz
25-05-2017, 11:25 AM
Everyone lowered their bar on their expectations. Trump did OK so far and kept to the script of the speeches that his people prepared for him. I guess his twit account does not work from there.

Actually, he didn't. Today, after saying that he would, he refused to support Article 5 of the NATO Treaty that says an attack on one member is an attack on all. It's been enacted once, September 11, 2001. Yup, Trump won't say if he;ll come to the aid of a NATO member that's attacked.





Speaking in front of a 9/11 and Article 5 Memorial at the new NATO headquarters, Trump praised NATO’s response to the 9/11 attacks and spoke of “the commitments that bind us together as one.”


But he did not specifically commit to honor Article 5, which stipulates that other NATO allies must come to the aid of an ally under attack if it is invoked.

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The New York Times reported on Wednesday evening that Trump would use the speech to finally endorse Article 5. Though top members of his administration, including Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and Vice President Mike Pence have done so, Trump’s refusal has shaken NATO allies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-declines-to-affirm-natos-article-5/528129/

kkozoriz
25-05-2017, 01:58 PM
It's like he doesn't understand that people are actually writing down things that he says.



‘You were my guy!’: Trump insists he backed Macron for French president — despite championing Le Pen

"Just days before the first round of the French presidential election, Trump frequently championed Le Pen as the “strongest on borders, and she’s the strongest on what’s been going on in France.”


“Whoever is the toughest on radical Islamic terrorism, and whoever is the toughest at the borders, will do well in the election,” Trump said during an April interview with the Associated Press."

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/you-were-my-guy-trump-insists-he-backed-macron-for-french-president-despite-championing-le-pen/

kkozoriz
25-05-2017, 02:22 PM
And he continues to make friends everywhere he goes.
Trump tries this and the EU, not just Germany will say "OK, no more American cars in Europe"



"In a discussion about the country’s trade surplus, Trump said “The Germans are evil, very evil.”


“Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US, and we’ll stop that,” sources told Der Spiegel


According to the report, EU Commissioner Jean-Claude Juncker took up for Germany explaining that “free trade is good for all.”


According to a report from the “Süddeutsche Zeitung,” the EU allies were horrified by the willingness of the Americans to view global trade with such a lack of awareness. Trump’s economic consultant Gary Cohn was said to have chided German auto trade during a discussion between the US and Germany and the USA and Belgium. Trump had previously attacked them during another conversation."


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/the-germans-are-bad-very-bad-trump-pledges-to-stop-german-car-sales-to-us/

Medwards
25-05-2017, 02:54 PM
https://i.redd.it/ye844js13ozy.gif

Outta my way. Trump coming through.

America👌 first ☝️
America👌 first ☝️

kkozoriz
25-05-2017, 02:59 PM
Prime Minister of Montenegro. In Trumps defence, he probably doesn't even know it exists or where it's located.

Spudly
25-05-2017, 03:14 PM
Prime Minister of Montenegro. In Trumps defence, he probably doesn't even know it exists or where it's located.

And it has "negro" in its name.

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 03:19 PM
Pompous Ugly Americanism at it's finest.

noodle
25-05-2017, 03:20 PM
Montenegro: Tiny country, formerly oppressed by despots, now joining NATO after the Russians unsuccessfully tried to pooch their election.
USA: Large country, recently oppressed by a wannabe despot, threatening to pull out of NATO after the Russians successfully tried to pooch their election.

Medwards
25-05-2017, 03:26 PM
http://img.imagus.co/72775927116f1b3e6.gif

Medwards
25-05-2017, 03:28 PM
https://i.redd.it/ye844js13ozy.gif

Outta my way. Trump coming through.

America first ☝️
America first ☝️
https://i.giphy.com/8VAapGBuo5tYI.gif

Top_Dawg
25-05-2017, 03:35 PM
https://i.redd.it/ye844js13ozy.gif

Outta my way. Trump coming through.

America first ☝️
America first ☝️


:smt042

Classic.

Gotta love The Don.

Gemini
25-05-2017, 05:38 PM
^As amusing as it is to listen and watch Trumps buffoonery and jackassery that is just plain ignorant.

kcantor
25-05-2017, 05:51 PM
http://img.imagus.co/72775927116f1b3e6.gif
as much as it makes me smile to watch this, i'm pretty sure it's a spoof. there's two inches of shirt cuff showing during the "hand-holding attempt" and none showing before or after...

Gemini
25-05-2017, 06:03 PM
^...........and were is the papal ring.

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 06:04 PM
Too bad that Trump didn't push Trudeau. Justin would have gone all 'Jean Chretin' on him.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Shawinigan_Handshake.jpg/220px-Shawinigan_Handshake.jpg

Gemini
25-05-2017, 06:11 PM
^Oh, give over. Tater Tot would have fainted.

Dave
25-05-2017, 06:14 PM
http://img.imagus.co/72775927116f1b3e6.gif
as much as it makes me smile to watch this, i'm pretty sure it's a spoof. there's two inches of shirt cuff showing during the "hand-holding attempt" and none showing before or after...

Ha ha, very funny. Maybe he's trying to make Melania jealous. I bet something she never expects Donald to say to her "Honey, I'm leaving you for an older man".

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 06:19 PM
^Oh, give over. Tater Tot would have fainted.

Would you step into a boxing ring with him?

Gemini
25-05-2017, 06:21 PM
^No, I'm real particular about the company I keep.

Dave
25-05-2017, 06:23 PM
Too bad that Trump didn't push Trudeau. Justin would have gone all 'Jean Chretin' on him.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7b/Shawinigan_Handshake.jpg/220px-Shawinigan_Handshake.jpg

You sure don't mess with the "Shawinigan strangler", but I am guessing Justin would let it go. Donald's foreign trip was going fairly good (at least by his standards) up until this point - oh well. As they say, you can dress him up, but you can't take him out. I'm kind of guessing he is a bit of a hazard at meal times too, so hopefully no buffet line at the NATO or G7 meetings. We don't want him fighting the Japanese PM for the last shrimp.

Gemini
25-05-2017, 06:27 PM
Bull in a China shop comes to mind.

Medwards
25-05-2017, 06:30 PM
http://img.imagus.co/72775927116f1b3e6.gif
as much as it makes me smile to watch this, i'm pretty sure it's a spoof. there's two inches of shirt cuff showing during the "hand-holding attempt" and none showing before or after...

this is 100% spoof and is a play on melania rejection of trumps hand advances the other day

http://static2.businessinsider.com/image/5924aa4434911b89018b5eb9-/melania%20hand%20slap%201.gif

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 06:46 PM
Bull in a China shop comes to mind.

Bully in Brussels?

MrOilers
25-05-2017, 07:04 PM
First Lady sought special permission from the Pope to visit kids' hospital. While there she signed bandages and spoke to them in Italian.

http://archive.is/ImE4I

MrOilers
25-05-2017, 07:12 PM
While In Israel, President Trump Visited 14-Year-Old Girl With Cancer Who Dreamed Of Meeting Him:

http://archive.is/mzuaG

kkozoriz
25-05-2017, 07:19 PM
First Lady sought special permission from the Pope to visit kids' hospital. While there she signed bandages and spoke to them in Italian.

http://archive.is/ImE4I

She reportedly told them "Be glad you don't live in America or my husband would take away your health care."

Edmonton PRT
25-05-2017, 07:34 PM
First Lady sought special permission from the Pope to visit kids' hospital. While there she signed bandages and spoke to them in Italian.

http://archive.is/ImE4I

She reportedly told them "Be glad you don't live in America or my husband would take away your health care."

Italy's healthcare system is ranked by the WHO as #2 in the World. Canada #30, United States #37
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Spudly
25-05-2017, 07:38 PM
Italy's healthcare system is ranked by the WHO as #2 in the World. Canada #30, United States #37
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadian-health-care-information/world-health-organizations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Well, in 2000 it was...

Whattagame
25-05-2017, 08:08 PM
First Lady sought special permission from the Pope to visit kids' hospital. While there she signed bandages and spoke to them in Italian.

http://archive.is/ImE4I
This is a nice story. She seems to be quite protective of Baron, and this was probably genuine and not just a PR stunt.

Edmonton PRT
26-05-2017, 12:09 PM
Ramadan 2017: Donald Trump issues statement mentioning terrorism in almost every sentence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ramadan-2017-trump-statement-terrorism-sentence-george-bush-september-11-a7758301.html
Donald Trump has issued his first statement commemorating Ramadan as president, and fit mentions of terrorism into nearly half of it.


Mr Trump, who started his first foreign trip in a Muslim country, wished “all Muslims a joyful Ramadan,” and said that “the spirit of Ramadan strengthens awareness of our shared obligation to reject violence, to pursue peace, and to give to those in need who are suffering from poverty or conflict." He also noted that Ramadan was starting at a time when the world "mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan."


Here’s Mr Trump's whole statement.


On behalf of the American people, I would like to wish all Muslims a joyful Ramadan.
During this month of fasting from dawn to dusk, many Muslims in America and around the world will find meaning and inspiration in acts of charity and meditation that strengthen our communities. At its core, the spirit of Ramadan strengthens awareness of our shared obligation to reject violence, to pursue peace, and to give to those in need who are suffering from poverty or conflict.
This year, the holiday begins as the world mourns the innocent victims of barbaric terrorist attacks in the United Kingdom and Egypt, acts of depravity that are directly contrary to the spirit of Ramadan. Such acts only steel our resolve to defeat the terrorists and their perverted ideology.
On my recent visit to Saudi Arabia, I had the honour of meeting with the leaders of more than 50 Muslim nations. There, in the land of the two holiest sites in the Muslim world, we gathered to deliver together an emphatic message of partnership for the sake of peace, security, and prosperity for our countries and for the world.
I reiterate my message delivered in Riyadh: America will always stand with our partners against terrorism and the ideology that fuels it. During this month of Ramadan, let us be resolved to spare no measure so that we may ensure that future generations will be free of this scourge and able to worship and commune in peace.
I extend my best wishes to Muslims everywhere for a blessed month as you observe the Ramadan traditions of charity, fasting, and prayer.
May God bless you and your families.

Spudly
26-05-2017, 01:01 PM
Ramadan 2017: Donald Trump issues statement mentioning terrorism in almost every sentence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ramadan-2017-trump-statement-terrorism-sentence-george-bush-september-11-a7758301.html
Donald Trump has issued his first statement commemorating Ramadan as president, and fit mentions of terrorism into nearly half of it.

This is Steve Bannon's influence: he's been alarmed about Islamic terror for decades. PBS Frontline has an episode called "Bannon's War" (unfortunately not streamable outside the US) about Bannon's career all the way up to after CPAC butting heads with Kushner.

Medwards
26-05-2017, 01:35 PM
^ watched that frontline. Very telling, very scary.

Edmonton PRT
26-05-2017, 02:05 PM
What is really scary is that Bannon is justt the tip of the iceberg. There are millions of people with the same crazy ideas in the US.

MrOilers
26-05-2017, 02:48 PM
Ramadan 2017: Donald Trump issues statement mentioning terrorism in almost every sentence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ramadan-2017-trump-statement-terrorism-sentence-george-bush-september-11-a7758301.html
Donald Trump has issued his first statement commemorating Ramadan as president, and fit mentions of terrorism into nearly half of it.

This is Steve Bannon's influence: he's been alarmed about Islamic terror for decades. PBS Frontline has an episode called "Bannon's War" (unfortunately not streamable outside the US) about Bannon's career all the way up to after CPAC butting heads with Kushner.


Happy Ramadan, everybody:


Gunmen opened fire on two buses and a truck carrying Coptic Christians in Minya, Egypt on Friday, killing at least 28, including children. Some 24 people were also injured in the attack.

https://www.rt.com/news/389798-egypt-coptic-christians-killed/

kkozoriz
26-05-2017, 03:43 PM
Happy Ramadan indeed....

But it was "accidental" so it's perfectly OK then.



US-led strike kills scores of family members of Islamic State fighters in Syria

Early Friday, at least 80 relatives of IS fighters were killed in US-led coalition bombardment, according to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.


“The toll includes 33 children. They were families seeking refuge in the town’s municipal building,” said Observatory head Rami Abdel Rahman.


“This is the highest toll for relatives of IS members in Syria,” he told AFP.


Coalition strikes on the town killed 37 civilians on Thursday night after 15 had been killed on Wednesday, according to the Britain-based Observatory.

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The 68-member coalition began bombing IS in Iraq in the summer of 2014, and expanded operations to Syria on September 23 that year.


On Thursday, a Pentagon investigation concluded that at least 105 civilians died in an anti-jihadist air strike on an IS weapons cache in Mosul in March.


Before the new revelation, the US military had said coalition air strikes in Iraq and Syria had “unintentionally” killed 352 civilians since 2014.


Rights groups put the number much higher, and the Observatory this week reported the highest monthly civilian death toll for the coalition’s operations in Syria.


It said between April 23 and May 23, coalition strikes killed 225 civilians in Syria, including dozens of children.


Reports of civilian casualties in the air campaign have swelled in recent days.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/us-led-strike-kills-scores-of-family-members-of-islamic-state-fighters-in-syria/#.WSh2-XJaLlI.facebook

MrOilers
26-05-2017, 03:45 PM
Yeah, forget buses full of people getting deliberately slaughtered going to church. What about those poor, poor ISIS fighters and the people harboring them?

kkozoriz
26-05-2017, 03:49 PM
You honestly think that these civilians weren't deliberately targeted?


“The toll includes 33 children. They were families seeking refuge in the town’s municipal building,”

Just like when the American Air Force deliberately targeted an Doctor's Without Borders hospital. Lied about it. Lied some more. Blamed Afghanistan. Lied some more.

And people burned to death while unconscious on an operating table. And nobody in or involved with the hospital was ISIS or Al Quaida or Taliban.

Yeah, screw them.

MrOilers
26-05-2017, 03:50 PM
Why did Obama bomb that hospital anyway?

Edmonton PRT
26-05-2017, 04:00 PM
Yeah, forget buses full of people getting deliberately slaughtered going to church. What about those poor, poor ISIS fighters and the people harboring them?

You mean the countries that Trump does not want to ban?

Dave
26-05-2017, 04:11 PM
Yeah, forget buses full of people getting deliberately slaughtered going to church. What about those poor, poor ISIS fighters and the people harboring them?

You mean the countries that Trump does not want to ban?

There is an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth madness that seems to pervade much of the middle east now. We in the west would be smarter not to jump into it too eagerly. We aren't going to "solve" their problems for them - we will only get blamed for making it worse. Only when these countries realize the stupidity of it all will it stop.

kkozoriz
26-05-2017, 04:12 PM
Why did Obama bomb that hospital anyway?

You mean the guy that apologized for it?



Obama Issues Rare Apology Over Bombing of Doctors Without Borders Hospital in Afghanistan

WASHINGTON — President Obama personally apologized on Wednesday to the head of Doctors Without Borders for what he described as the mistaken bombing of its field hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, promising a full investigation into the episode, which took the lives of nearly two dozen doctors and patients.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/08/world/asia/obama-apologizes-for-bombing-of-afghanistan-hospital.html?_r=0


As opposed to the guy that made this policy statement.



Donald Trump Says He'd 'Take Out' Terrorists' Families

"I would knock the hell out of ISIS... [and] when you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families," the Republican presidential candidate said on Fox & Friends.

http://time.com/4132368/donald-trump-isis-bombing/


So you have on one hand a President who can admit when a mistake has been made and one who is accomplishing exactly what he said he'd do, targeting civilians. And you're supporting the guy deliberately going after civilians.

seamusmcduffs
26-05-2017, 04:17 PM
And he continues to make friends everywhere he goes.
Trump tries this and the EU, not just Germany will say "OK, no more American cars in Europe"



"In a discussion about the country’s trade surplus, Trump said “The Germans are evil, very evil.”


“Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US, and we’ll stop that,” sources told Der Spiegel


According to the report, EU Commissioner Jean-Claude Juncker took up for Germany explaining that “free trade is good for all.”


According to a report from the “Süddeutsche Zeitung,” the EU allies were horrified by the willingness of the Americans to view global trade with such a lack of awareness. Trump’s economic consultant Gary Cohn was said to have chided German auto trade during a discussion between the US and Germany and the USA and Belgium. Trump had previously attacked them during another conversation."


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/the-germans-are-bad-very-bad-trump-pledges-to-stop-german-car-sales-to-us/




....What. Does he not realize how many German car manufacturing plants there are in the states? Wouldn't be surprised if theres more Americans employed by German car manufacturers than the amount employed in the coal industry he's so desperate to save, seeing as there are less than 100,000 of those.

Dave
26-05-2017, 04:31 PM
And he continues to make friends everywhere he goes.
Trump tries this and the EU, not just Germany will say "OK, no more American cars in Europe"



"In a discussion about the country’s trade surplus, Trump said “The Germans are evil, very evil.”


“Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US, and we’ll stop that,” sources told Der Spiegel


According to the report, EU Commissioner Jean-Claude Juncker took up for Germany explaining that “free trade is good for all.”


According to a report from the “Süddeutsche Zeitung,” the EU allies were horrified by the willingness of the Americans to view global trade with such a lack of awareness. Trump’s economic consultant Gary Cohn was said to have chided German auto trade during a discussion between the US and Germany and the USA and Belgium. Trump had previously attacked them during another conversation."


http://www.rawstory.com/2017/05/the-germans-are-bad-very-bad-trump-pledges-to-stop-german-car-sales-to-us/




....What. Does he not realize how many German car manufacturing plants there are in the states? Wouldn't be surprised if theres more Americans employed by German car manufacturers than the amount employed in the coal industry he's so desperate to save, seeing as there are less than 100,000 of those.

I think there were some in the US government who thought that having the President get out and see foreign places and talk to other countries might broaden his mind and help build relations. However, I don't think it has helped relations with friends and allies, if anything it may have made them worse. Maybe it would have been better after all if he had just stayed at home or went to Florida to golf.

kkozoriz
26-05-2017, 04:31 PM
He doesn't even realize that he can't do a trade deal with Germany, that he has to deal with the EU.



Angela Merkel reportedly had to explain the 'fundamentals' of EU trade to Trump 11 times

President Trump did not understand that the US cannot negotiate a trade deal with Germany alone and must deal with the European Union as a bloc, a senior German official told The Times of London.


"Ten times Trump asked [German chancellor Angela Merkel] if he could negotiate a trade deal with Germany. Every time she replied, 'You can’t do a trade deal with Germany, only the EU,'" the official said.


They continued: "On the eleventh refusal, Trump finally got the message, 'Oh, we’ll do a deal with Europe then.'"


Merkel reportedly told her cabinet members that Trump had "very basic misunderstandings" on the "fundamentals" of the EU and trade.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-trade-merkel-germany-eu-2017-4

Edmonton PRT
26-05-2017, 04:36 PM
If Trump had stayed home and played golf. This week would have been better for him.

If Trump stayed home and not run for President. The World would have been better off for everyone.

H.L.
26-05-2017, 06:00 PM
I love that nobody is paying much attention to JT, he's on the outside looking in.

Marcel Petrin
26-05-2017, 09:31 PM
You honestly think that these civilians weren't deliberately targeted?


“The toll includes 33 children. They were families seeking refuge in the town’s municipal building,”

Just like when the American Air Force deliberately targeted an Doctor's Without Borders hospital. Lied about it. Lied some more. Blamed Afghanistan. Lied some more.

And people burned to death while unconscious on an operating table. And nobody in or involved with the hospital was ISIS or Al Quaida or Taliban.

Yeah, screw them.

Intent matters when weighing moral culpability. The attackers in Egypt and Manchester had every intent of killing innocent people, and specifically children. That is absolutely not the case when the US military accidentally targets civilians, whether that be because of bad intel, broken bureaucracy, or what have you. That doesn't absolve the US, it's military, or individuals involved. But equivocating between the two is intellectually bankrupt to an extreme degree.

kkozoriz
27-05-2017, 12:00 AM
I'm sure that it makes the families of the dead feel so much better.

And what about the civilians being bombed in Syria by coalition forces? More are being killed every day which is precisely what Donald Trump said he was going to do. Where's the moral culpability there?

Marcel Petrin
27-05-2017, 02:37 PM
I'm not saying that the US's actions in the "war on terror" are perfect. In fact, it's just the opposite. But again, equivocating ISIS and the US shows you are no less ideologically blinded than MrOilers. It's actually quite ironic how the far left and right have gone so far around the bend, they've met each other on the far side of it. It used to be primarily the far left and people like Chomsky who suffered from this moral blindness. But now we've got Trump equivocating the US and Russia, and guys like MrOilers backing him up. It's a shame really.

kkozoriz
27-05-2017, 03:37 PM
You're ignoring the fact that the US now has a Commander in Chief who has said that he will specifically target civilians. The previous problem with the US military was that they were so focused on one target, they turned civilians into targets, however inadvertently. But as The War on Impersonal Noun goes on and on, they're frustrated that their actions don't seem to be working like they thought they would. Their solution, double down and bomb some more. They are so fixated on the perception that dead American Solders would bring, they're relying almost entirely on long distance airstrikes and drones, not wanting to have the images of flag draped coffins on the evening news.

The problem is that bombs are remarkably inexact, even "precision guided munitions". They can go off course, they can hit the wrong target or they could simply be aimed due to incorrect intelligence. And when that happens, people die. But, they're not Americans so there's no running body count on the supper hour news like there was for American solders during Iraq and Afghanistan. Roughly 5,000 dead American solders in a tally box in the corner of the screen but almost noting at all about the hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, maimed or wounded.

That's the thing. It's not that they deliberately target civilians, at least not until now. It's that they kill more people than the terrorists do. It would be like them dropping a bomb onto the arena in Manchester to take out the bomber and then wring off the dead as collateral damage.

Gemini
27-05-2017, 09:46 PM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip. She seems to keep a low profile as far as the politicking goes. Not like some presidents wives who seem to think people want to listen to their political leanings. While they have very little clout they seem to think that people are entitled to their opinion weather they want to hear it or not.

KC
27-05-2017, 09:55 PM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip. She seems to keep a low profile as far as the politicking goes. Not like some presidents wives who seem to think people want to listen to their political leanings. While they have very little clout they seem to think that people are entitled to their opinion weather they want to hear it or not.
It's amazing that First Ladies get any attention. They should be left at home. They weren't on the ballot.

Margaret Thatcher and her husband serve as a proper example. That guy was invisible.

Gemini
27-05-2017, 10:06 PM
Thatcher - British. Trumps - American. Spot the difference. Americans have been real interested in the first lady since Jackie O hit the W H. Now it's like FLOTUS garners her own fan club. Yes, how very forward thinking of you to want the first lady to stay at home. You should run that by your better half (if you have one).

kkozoriz
27-05-2017, 10:21 PM
Eleanor Roosevelt was a major personality as well. Jackie O had a lot of attention for the Kennedy Camelot vibe as well as being the widow of JFK after his assassination.

Melania got a lot of attention with her double "I don't want to hold your hand". Also, she's been pretty much inviable before now. This was the longest people have seen her with Trump since the inauguration.

Gemini
27-05-2017, 10:28 PM
FLOTUS said she was going to spend most of her time in NY until Baron finished his school year. It seems at the weekend she goes to Mar-a-lago or the W H.
She probably spends more time with Trump than a wife of a business person always on the road or a soldier/sailor or even our oil/gas workers or lots of other couple where one of them has to work away.

MrOilers
27-05-2017, 10:34 PM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip.

She spoke in french to Macron and his wife, Italian to the Pope, and German to Angela Merkel. How many wives of US presidents have been able to do that?

Gemini
27-05-2017, 10:38 PM
I don't think she gets as much credit as she deserves. I get the impression that she wants to be in the background as much as possible but I don't think she will sit back idly. Probably a lot of what she does will be low key and she will not seek publicity for it. Not like some FLOTUS with their 'look at me look at me' approach.

Dave
27-05-2017, 11:19 PM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip. She seems to keep a low profile as far as the politicking goes. Not like some presidents wives who seem to think people want to listen to their political leanings. While they have very little clout they seem to think that people are entitled to their opinion weather they want to hear it or not.
It's amazing that First Ladies get any attention. They should be left at home. They weren't on the ballot.

Margaret Thatcher and her husband serve as a proper example. That guy was invisible.

It's a US thing and it is somewhat sexist. Spouses in other countries do not usually get the same level of attention, particularly when the leader is a woman and the spouse is a man.

However, the spouses may have more clout than is apparent. Often they may be the first person the president speaks to in the day and the last one at night. It is true they were not on the ballot so I agree, I would rather they be a bit more in the background or at least have a more informal rather than a formal role. I think to some extent it depends on the personality of the First Lady as to how visible she is comfortable being. Usually if they are more visible, it is supporting their spouses agenda in some way and not their own political views.

MrOilers
27-05-2017, 11:24 PM
Here is a video of the top highlight of Trump's trip.

At the G7 Summit, telling the globalist Prime Minister of Italy what he really thinks of his suggestions: https://youtu.be/ySQMvxhN3zs?t=462

Edmonton PRT
28-05-2017, 06:21 AM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip.

She spoke in french to Macron and his wife, Italian to the Pope, and German to Angela Merkel. How many wives of US presidents have been able to do that?

Most Europeans speak multiple languages, often 4 or 5. Even in the US you find many people who speak Spanish, English and other languages. In Toronto there are many trilingual people. In Montreal I met a restaurateur who owned a Portuguese restaurant who spoke English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, German, a bit of Arabic, Turkish and of course he was fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese as well. He was born in Macau.

overoceans
28-05-2017, 09:26 AM
Jackie Kennedy speaking French (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJraZgLTH34)

Jackie Kennedy speaking Spanish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axEg6CoSk6Y)

I believe she spoke Italian as well, but no videos came up on You Tube.

howie
28-05-2017, 09:46 AM
I imagine Jackie O spoke Greek, as well.

Gemini
28-05-2017, 11:20 AM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip.

She spoke in french to Macron and his wife, Italian to the Pope, and German to Angela Merkel. How many wives of US presidents have been able to do that?

Most Europeans speak multiple languages, often 4 or 5. Even in the US you find many people who speak Spanish, English and other languages. In Toronto there are many trilingual people. In Montreal I met a restaurateur who owned a Portuguese restaurant who spoke English, French, Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, German, a bit of Arabic, Turkish and of course he was fluent in Mandarin and Cantonese as well. He was born in Macau.
Yeah, I know a Canadian who speaks Canadian but can do a real good Texan accent. They also know how to lace shoes and do a mean samba when their pizzed. I'm just pointing this out as it seems you will go to great lengths to discredit the Trumps. WTF

MrOilers
28-05-2017, 11:40 AM
Jackie Kennedy speaking French (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJraZgLTH34)

Jackie Kennedy speaking Spanish (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axEg6CoSk6Y)

I believe she spoke Italian as well, but no videos came up on You Tube.

It's true. It's one of the reasons Melania is compared to Jackie Kennedy so often.

Drumbones
28-05-2017, 01:45 PM
Here is a video of the top highlight of Trump's trip.

At the G7 Summit, telling the globalist Prime Minister of Italy what he really thinks of his suggestions: https://youtu.be/ySQMvxhN3zs?t=462

Do you mean not putting his translating headphones on or running a hopper finger through his hair.

H.L.
28-05-2017, 03:01 PM
She spoke in French to Macron and his wife, Italian to the Pope, and German to Angela Merkel. How many wives of US presidents have been able to do that?

I'm not sure, but Mrs O didn't speak other languages did she?

Marcel Petrin
29-05-2017, 08:44 AM
Melania Trump seemed to be a hit on this overseas trip.

She spoke in french to Macron and his wife, Italian to the Pope, and German to Angela Merkel. How many wives of US presidents have been able to do that?

Numerous first wives have been at least bilingual, dating back to the earliest Presidents. Elizabeth Monroe, Louisa Adams, Lou Coolidge, Jackie Kennedy, and Pat Nixon all spoke at least one or two languages other than English.


Do you mean not putting his translating headphones on or running a hopper finger through his hair.

I believe he was referring to Trump using his middle finger to swipe his eyebrows. Whether Trump intended anything by that or not, it is a wonderful demonstration of MrOilers' small-mindedness that he thinks that is something to be admired or celebrated.

H.L.
29-05-2017, 09:11 AM
Shame Obamas wife didn't know a second language, but them she'd of taken the spotlight off of him, which he.just.loved.

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 10:04 AM
As if Trump...

your feeble attempts of deflection are so laughable, it is sad...

BTW, the Obama's has retired months ago

MrOilers
29-05-2017, 10:19 AM
I believe he was referring to Trump using his middle finger to swipe his eyebrows. Whether Trump intended anything by that or not, it is a wonderful demonstration of MrOilers' small-mindedness that he thinks that is something to be admired or celebrated.

Can you liberals carry on a discussion without throwing a personal insult every 3 posts you make?

Thank you in advance.

H.L.
29-05-2017, 10:21 AM
Posters keep bringing up Harper , I will do the same with Obama I couldn't stand the man.
BTW You may think you can tell people what to post,you cant and you look like the ***** obsessed with Trump and that's all you look!



As if Trump...

your feeble attempts of deflection are so laughable, it is sad...

BTW, the Obama's has retired months ago

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 10:42 AM
Harper who?

Marcel Petrin
29-05-2017, 11:20 AM
Can you liberals carry on a discussion without throwing a personal insult every 3 posts you make?Thank you in advance.Dude, you were celebrating Trump seemingly giving another world leader the finger. What kind of response do you expect? And by the way, the definition fits your comment about it perfectly:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/small-minded

"typical of a small-minded person : marked by pettiness, narrowness, or meanness "

H.L.
29-05-2017, 11:28 AM
Harper who?

The one in Trudeaus thread and now Scheers, and PM Harper has been gone longer than Obama.

MrOilers
29-05-2017, 12:09 PM
Dude, you were celebrating Trump seemingly giving another world leader the finger.

Where did you get the idea that I "celebrate" it?

I've never personally attacked you, yet you can't help yourself but insult people when confronted with someone who holds different opinions than your own. You call me a name or attack with a condescending attitude almost any time you respond to something I say.

Honestly, what the hell is your problem?

Gemini
29-05-2017, 12:53 PM
As if Trump...

your feeble attempts of deflection are so laughable, it is sad...

BTW, the Obama's has retired months ago

One could say that about your feeble attempts to discredit Trump and his entourage at every opportunity is on the same lines. If Trump donated 10 million to charity and saved 5 people from a burning building you would still bend over backwards to discredit it. One of your post saying most Europeans speak multiply languages is laughable. Although Brits are not most Europeans some of them can hardly speak their own English never mind other languages. As for the rest of Europe. Well they will more than likely speak English as their second language but for the majority of them that will be it. How many languages do you speak apart from English and bullchit?.

H.L.
29-05-2017, 01:11 PM
As if Trump...

your feeble attempts of deflection are so laughable, it is sad...

BTW, the Obama's has retired months ago

One could say that about your feeble attempts to discredit Trump and his entourage at every opportunity is on the same lines. If Trump donated 10 million to charity and saved 5 people from a burning building you would still bend over backwards to discredit it. One of your post saying most Europeans speak multiply languages is laughable. Although Brits are not most Europeans some of them can hardly speak their own English never mind other languages. As for the rest of Europe. Well they will more than likely speak English as their second language but for the majority of them that will be it. How many languages do you speak apart from English and bullchit?.

The latter he speaks extremely well, ad nauseum.

Gemini
29-05-2017, 01:15 PM
World leaders are taken aback by Trumps outright honesty. For sure he is not politically correct but is that such a bad thing. Politicians pussy footing around major world issues and getting nothing done because they don't want to appear politically incorrect. It's about time someone started calling a spade a spade and calling people out for the duplicity. If your dealing with terrorists call it for what it is. Don't avoid certain words because it might offend people who are committing atrocities.
Don't avoid calling certain leaders despots if they are despots. How many times do world leaders meet every year at one summit or another. Jet setting all over the world, rubbing shoulders with questionable elites, staying at the best hotels, eating fabulous food and yet the world is still in a mess. Most of those summits are just an excuse for a holiday and a pi*s up on the taxpayers dimes. If these summits did any good the world would not be in a constant state of war and mayhem. If Trump wants to point that out to them then it's fine with me.

KC
29-05-2017, 01:46 PM
World leaders are taken aback by Trumps outright honesty. For sure he is not politically correct but is that such a bad thing. Politicians pussy footing around major world issues and getting nothing done because they don't want to appear politically incorrect. It's about time someone started calling a spade a spade and calling people out for the duplicity. If your dealing with terrorists call it for what it is. Don't avoid certain words because it might offend people who are committing atrocities.
Don't avoid calling certain leaders despots if they are despots. How many times do world leaders meet every year at one summit or another. Jet setting all over the world, rubbing shoulders with questionable elites, staying at the best hotels, eating fabulous food and yet the world is still in a mess. Most of those summits are just an excuse for a holiday and a pi*s up on the taxpayers dimes. If these summits did any good the world would not be in a constant state of war and mayhem. If Trump wants to point that out to them then it's fine with me.



Nice sentiments but don't expect anything to change. Calling a spade a spade when everyone knows it's a spade is a meaningless gesture.

It's like calling out bull **** like this below. It wouldn't matter that he's just spinning a potentially treasonous act - he holds the power now. If some unelected Joe takes his word for it and tries to establish their own off the grid back communications channel with some hostile country, power or group, say ISIS leadership, just watch them drag there asses into court and then off to jail.





DHS Secretary: A Backchannel Between Trump And Russia ‘Not A Bad Thing’
“It’s normal, in my opinion, and acceptable,” Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said amid the growing scandal.
By Marina Fang

“Any way that you can communicate with people, particularly organizations that are maybe not particularly friendly to us, is a good thing,” Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly told ABC’s Martha Raddatz. “It’s not a bad thing to have multiple communication lines to any government.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jared-kushner-trump-russia-backchannel_us_592ad41ce4b0065b20b7082a

Gemini
29-05-2017, 02:02 PM
^Have to agree that having secret communications with countries is not a good idea. Then again, I bet it happens more often then we know with different governments across the whole political spectrum. It also circles back to calling a spade a spade. What politicians say in public and to the media may be different to what they say in private. What they have to say to the public to appease them may not be what is said in the back rooms. Politicians have an image to uphold, a public persona, an expectation that they are on the up and up. Trump does not care what his persona is. What you see is what you get. He said he would do politics differently and so far he has not disappointed. If back room deals get this world to a more peaceful place they may not be such a bad idea.

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 02:55 PM
World leaders are taken aback by Trumps outright honesty. For sure he is not politically correct but is that such a bad thing. Politicians pussy footing around major world issues and getting nothing done because they don't want to appear politically incorrect. It's about time someone started calling a spade a spade and calling people out for the duplicity. If your dealing with terrorists call it for what it is. Don't avoid certain words because it might offend people who are committing atrocities.
Don't avoid calling certain leaders despots if they are despots. How many times do world leaders meet every year at one summit or another. Jet setting all over the world, rubbing shoulders with questionable elites, staying at the best hotels, eating fabulous food and yet the world is still in a mess. Most of those summits are just an excuse for a holiday and a pi*s up on the taxpayers dimes. If these summits did any good the world would not be in a constant state of war and mayhem. If Trump wants to point that out to them then it's fine with me.


Laughable. Trump flip flops so often what exactly is "Trumps outright honesty". when it changes?

You also stated that Trump does not "avoid calling certain leaders despots if they are despots." and " dealing with terrorists call it for what it is" So when did Trump call the Saudis despots, especially for beheading people for minor crimes and supporting terrorists.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_480w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/05/25/Editorial-Opinion/Images/Trump_Mideast_Moments_65359-c038a-2284.jpg?uuid=o4w5OEGOEeetujlO5np1gg

Your ramble is just spin doctoring and alternative facts.

Does Trump hold his tongue because he has business interests with the Saudis and in the region?



Qatar Airways: The state-owned flag carrier of Qatar, a constitutional monarchy ruled by Emir Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, has had a “corporate campus” in the Trump Tower on 5th Avenue in Manhattan since at least 2008. While details of the Qatar Airways lease were not immediately available, offices for rent in the building start at about $19,000 a month and can go above $100,000 a month. Qatar considers Islam the official religion and Sharia law the principal source of its legislation.

When Qatar launched flights to New York in 2007, Trump and his wife Melanie were guests at a star-studded party at Lincoln center, where they goofed around with Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker on the red carpet:


https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/ap_070628033154.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=640


Saudi princes: Prince Mutaib bin Abdulaziz Al Saud, a former minister in the Saudi government, and member of the Saudi royal family, reportedly lives in a floor-through Trump Tower apartment. Other former Trump property tenants include Prince Nawaf bin Sultan bin Abdulaziz Al-Saud, a Saudi royal family member who owned a 10,500 sq. foot (975 sq. meter) condo at the Heritage at Trump Place that went on sale this year for $48.5 million.Prince Alwaleed’s buyouts


When Trump’s businesses empire crumbled in the 1990s, the high profile Saudi prince, known for investments from Citigroup to Hyundai, agreed to take majority control of New York’s Plaza hotel, giving Trump “more breathing room with bank creditors,” as The New York Times wrote in 1995. Four years earlier, Alwaleed purchased Trump’s nearly 300 foot yacht for $18 million as his Atlantic City casinos struggled.

https://qz.com/568178/donald-trump-owes-much-of-his-fortune-to-wea/


https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/screen-shot-2015-12-08-at-2-57-21-pm1.png?w=916

Gemini
29-05-2017, 03:02 PM
^Who mentioned the Saudi's except you. Do you have comprehension problems or do you just like to interject things you would like other people to say but actually did not. Then you post pictures of Trump with Saudi's. Please, take a break from posting in regards to Trump. It's obvious at this stage the Trump admin has you not knowing weather you should buy a horse or join the Army. It's not healthy to have such a fascination with this administration or to find fault with everything it does, warranted or not.

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 03:10 PM
No, you mentioned despots and terrorists in a sweeping generalization. Ignoring the Saudis is exactly what you are turning a blind eye towards.

Are you suggesting that your original statement has an Saudi exclusion clause?

I guess that Trump gives them a pass if they give him money or sign $100 Billion arms deals, correct?

H.L.
29-05-2017, 03:14 PM
^Who mentioned the Saudi's except you. Do you have comprehension problems or do you just like to interject things you would like other people to say but actually did not. Then you post pictures of Trump with Saudi's. Please, take a break from posting in regards to Trump. It's obvious at this stage the Trump admin has you not knowing weather you should buy a horse or join the Army. It's not healthy to have such a fascination with this administration or to find fault with everything it does, warranted or not.

OMG, you are funny!! LOL

Gemini
29-05-2017, 03:27 PM
No, you mentioned despots and terrorists in a sweeping generalization. Ignoring the Saudis is exactly what you are turning a blind eye towards.

Are you suggesting that your original statement has an Saudi exclusion clause?

I guess that Trump gives them a pass if they give him money or sign $100 Billion arms deals, correct?
Well no actually. I was thinking more of North Korea and the African Continent where people are absolutely brainwashed and scared. You brought in the Saudis then try to imply I meant them as well because of 'sweeping generalization'. Well, there you go again injecting something that some one did not say. The sweeping generalization was yours and yours alone along with the unnecessary pictures.

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 04:10 PM
You made a sweeping generalization. Next time be more specific in your comments

Gemini
29-05-2017, 04:23 PM
^You have Trump Derangement Syndrome. Get help.

Edmonton PRT
29-05-2017, 04:50 PM
You have problems with writing and comprehension.

Please retake grades 1 through 9.

Edmonton PRT
30-05-2017, 04:59 AM
Trump 'weakened' West, hurt EU interests: German FM
US' unilateral moves are putting peace in Europe in jeopardy, German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel says.
Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel lashed out at the US over climate change and arms sales [Thomas Peter/AP]
Germany unleashed a volley of criticism against US President Donald Trump, slamming his "short-sighted" policies that have "weakened the West" and hurt European interests.

The sharp words from Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel on Monday came after Trump concluded his first official tour abroad, which took him to Saudi Arabia, Israel, Brussels and then Italy for a G7 summit.

They followed Chancellor Angela Merkel's warning on Sunday that the United States and Britain may no longer be completely reliable partners.

Germany's exasperation was laid bare after the G7 summit that wrapped up on Saturday with the US refusing so far to sign up to upholding the 2015 Paris climate accord.

Days earlier, in Saudi Arabia, Trump had presided over the single largest US arms deal in American history, worth $110bn over the next decade and including ships, tanks and anti-missile systems.

"Anyone who accelerates climate change by weakening environmental protection, who sells more weapons in conflict zones, and who does not want to politically resolve religious conflicts is putting peace in Europe at risk," Gabriel said on Monday.

"The short-sighted policies of the American government stand against the interests of the European Union," he said. "The West has become smaller, at least it has become weaker. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/trump-weakened-west-hurt-eu-interests-german-fm-170529194703492.html

howie
30-05-2017, 08:45 AM
It'll get to the point where nobody, outside of his blinkered buddies, will want to deal with this jerk. Surprised it hasn't already, really.

MrOilers
30-05-2017, 08:58 AM
Other countries will continue to do business with them no matter their feelings on their President.

The USA is still the wealthiest and most powerful country the world has ever seen. It would be political and economic suicide for almost any nation to shut out the USA over "feelings".

Medwards
30-05-2017, 09:26 AM
China will surpass the USA in both regards in the next decade.

Germany seems very likely to pull investments away from the USA, and many other European countries.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/germany-s-merkel-signals-deepening-rift-u-s-under-trump-n765781

Not sure where MrOilers makes up his facts from.

noodle
30-05-2017, 09:29 AM
InfoWars, Hannity & The Rebel?

Edmonton PRT
30-05-2017, 10:31 AM
Other countries will continue to do business with them no matter their feelings on their President.

The USA is still the wealthiest and most powerful country the world has ever seen. It would be political and economic suicide for almost any nation to shut out the USA over "feelings".

Every country, every company and every individual has choices and are nor forced to buy US products.

Medwards
30-05-2017, 10:39 AM
InfoWars, Hannity & The Rebel?
You missed breitbart.

What I find funny and also really kinda sad is when people like MrOilers are led to believe the real journalists are not to be trusted, but somehow sources like those mentioned are treated as if everything they write is the absolute 100% truth with no slant or bias or agenda...

It's all part of Trump's plan. Discredit the media, make america turn on itself, build fear. Break up NATO. Weaken western coalitions. Make Russia Great Again.

If you guys don't think there's no connection between Donald Trump and Russia, spend a bit of time and research which country loaned him all his money for his businesses after all American banks refused to even consider loaning him a cent.

RUSSIAN BANKS CONTROLLED BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT.

WAKE UP!

Gemini
30-05-2017, 10:46 AM
Doing trade with China is all well and good but a lot of people think that Chinese goods are inferior. Not just plastics/steel/mixed material goods but also foods. Some Chinese retailers have had questionable practices in the past. Tainted babies milk, pet food etc. It's fine going to Dollarama and picking up cheap goods as you don't care if it falls apart in a couple of days. However, more expensive goods may not have long a life as they should. The EU have been full of threats lately. Probably smarting from Brexit. Merkel is just a puppet for her EU unelected administration masters. The U S has been paying the bulk of the freight in NATO and European countries know this but hide their heads in the sand. U S is too valuable for them to drop. E U admins just mouthing empty rhetoric to get notices.

Medwards
30-05-2017, 10:51 AM
"The U S has been paying the bulk of the freight in NATO" Say what???? How do you arrive at this?

Gemini
30-05-2017, 11:02 AM
NATO countries are supposed to spend 2% of their GDP on defence. Of the 28 countries only 5 do.
The U S has military bases throughout Europe and beyond. They also have a bigger fleet of ships than most countries per population. How many times have NATO countries just sent troops in as peace keepers and let the U S do the heavy work. Trump's administration is not the first admin to mention this but I think it's the first admin that is maybe going to make an issue out of it. Canada does not pay it's allotted amount. The government in charge in Canada at the moment would rather send blankets to terrorists than an army. Yeah, buy a few thousand blankets, get a discount for buying in bulk. NATO obligation fulfilled.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/677621/EU-NOT-paying-Nato-chief-blasts-Europe-shirking-duty-fund-military

Highlander II
30-05-2017, 11:08 AM
^The US may do "the heavy work", but it's arguable that any of the "heavy work" they've done since the end of the Cold War actually needed to be done.

Marcel Petrin
30-05-2017, 11:09 AM
It's all part of Trump's plan. Discredit the media, make america turn on itself, build fear. Break up NATO. Weaken western coalitions. Make Russia Great Again.

Just came across a really good podcast and book last night. Haven't had a chance to read the book, but the podcast is worth listening to: https://www.samharris.org/podcast/item/the-road-to-tyranny

Do I think that Trump is doing any of this intentionally? No, not really. He's not a genius. He's an imbecile with an i d i o t savant like ability to tell people what they think they want to hear. That's what makes this whole situation even scarier. Can you imagine if someone with a shred of competence that had an actual cohesive ideology and plan for where to take the country came along? In the end, Trump might well end up serving the purpose of further inoculating the US political system from a much worse situation.

But, people around him very much are authoritarians. Bannon specifically. And they are doing extreme damage to US institutions and the political discourse in their country. Meanwhile, China and Russia are probably laughing their heads off. If Putin had written a script for what actions a US president could take to damage people's view of democracy, the press, experts/elite, and just basic facts of the world, along with damaging the Western alliance and rules based system that has held back the darkness emanating from Russia and other authoritarian regimes, it would be a mirror image of what Trump's done.

Gemini
30-05-2017, 11:09 AM
^This is true but some NATO countries went along for the ride.

Medwards
30-05-2017, 11:26 AM
I would argue that the USA has purposed destabilized many countries in the middle east and this is where all the terrorists become terrorists because they hate what the USA and their NATO allies has done to their home countries

Edmonton PRT
30-05-2017, 11:30 AM
NATO countries are supposed to spend 2% of their GDP on defence. Of the 28 countries only 5 do.
The U S has military bases throughout Europe and beyond. They also have a bigger fleet of ships than most countries per population. How many times have NATO countries just sent troops in as peace keepers and let the U S do the heavy work. Trump's administration is not the first admin to mention this but I think it's the first admin that is maybe going to make an issue out of it. Canada does not pay it's allotted amount. The government in charge in Canada at the moment would rather send blankets to terrorists than an army. Yeah, buy a few thousand blankets, get a discount for buying in bulk. NATO obligation fulfilled.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/677621/EU-NOT-paying-Nato-chief-blasts-Europe-shirking-duty-fund-military

You must remember that countries like Germany, who only has two bases abroad (in France and the US)
There are nearly 800 American bases worldwide spread through more than 70 countries with a roughly 150,000 troops stationed abroad. So only a portion of the 3.3 percent of the GDP on military spending is NATO relate. The other is in support of United States Imperialism and the Military Industrial Complex
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_overseas_military_bases


Super interesting graphs of the world decline of military spending 1988 to 2015 http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS

MrOilers
30-05-2017, 12:12 PM
Meanwhile, China and Russia are probably laughing their heads off.


Apparently the President agrees with you:


Russian officials must be laughing at the U.S. & how a lame excuse for why the Dems lost the election has taken over the Fake News.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869509894688387072

Medwards
30-05-2017, 12:19 PM
President Barack Obama was mercilessly ridiculed by Republicans for his supposed strategy of "leading from behind." There is a lot of legitimate criticism with which one can debate President Obama's tenure in office, particularly his foreign policy. There are strong arguments to be made for and against his efforts and ultimately history will have to help us sort it out.


But as I watched President Trump stumble his way through his recent trip through Europe, I couldn't help but think how hypocritical and hollow those criticisms were. Leading from behind? Tell that to the climate which President Trump and his GOP allies seem determined to pollute when almost every other nation on Earth is leading in the opposite direction. (Recent news shows how India is turning from coal to renewables, and China as well) Leading from behind? As Mr. Trump cozies up to Vladimir Putin it is up to France's new president Emmanuel Macron to lay out the case for democracy and human rights, you know the kind of speeches that President Reagan used to make. Leading from behind? Our friends in Europe used to respect the United States and join us in strengthening a world order. Now Germany's chancellor Angela Merkel says Germany can't trust us. And why should she? Most of Europe agrees with her.


Mr. Trump is praising murderous despots like Rodrigo Duterte, the President of the Philippines, and literally pushing his way past the leaders of Europe as he preens on the world stage. Our enemies and allies are taking the mark of a man for whom they have little respect. So far, most of Mr. Trump's allies in Congress seem to fiddle as our foreign policy burns.


Whatever you thought of the president of the United States in previous administrations, there was no doubt that he was the leader of the free world. But today there is a serious vacuum coming out of Washington - on both the leadership and the free world part. The world is rushing to figure out what this means. I think new leaders will rise in response to the challenge, both here and overseas. In the meantime we spin the wheel of fate without a moral or strategic compass guiding our ship of state.

~Dan Rather

Edmonton PRT
30-05-2017, 12:22 PM
Meanwhile, China and Russia are probably laughing their heads off.

Apparently the President agrees with you:


Russian officials must be laughing at the U.S. & how a lame excuse for why the Dems lost the election has taken over the Fake News.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869509894688387072

Yes, and for the first time in a long time, Canadians can laugh out loud and gloat that the US has the lamest and ineffectual President in history.

Marcel Petrin
30-05-2017, 12:28 PM
Medwards' post above should be credited to Dan Rather.

Highlander II
30-05-2017, 12:31 PM
^ I had to go back and read it in "Serious Newsman" voice. It wouldn't be out of place at all.

Medwards
30-05-2017, 12:31 PM
Medwards' post above should be credited to Dan Rather.

I meant to put that in the end. Editing.

Edmonton PRT
30-05-2017, 12:36 PM
^ I had to go back and read it in "Serious Newsman" voice. It wouldn't be out of place at all.


You mean that Liberal fake news MSM, Dan Rather?

MrOilers will discredit him as well.

noodle
30-05-2017, 12:40 PM
I'd go with "long-time propagandist" for Dan Rather's alt-righted title.

Marcel Petrin
30-05-2017, 07:59 PM
I guess Team Trump has decided to go full DPRK: http://archive.is/lpLFs


Spicer channeled his boss as he declared that Trump’s speech to leaders of more than 50 Arab and Muslim nations “was a historic turning point that people will be talking about for years to come” and “was met with nearly universal praise.” He claimed that the president single-handedly “united the civilized world in the fight against terrorism and extremism” and that his meetings at the Group of Seven summit in Sicily “were marked by outstanding success.”

“We’ve never seen before at this point in a presidency such sweeping reassurance of American interests and the inauguration of a foreign policy strategy designed to bring back the world from growing dangers and perpetual disasters brought on by years of failed leadership,” Spicer said.

I mean yeah, I guess you could say it was a historic turning point that will be talked about for years to come. Just in the exact opposite way that Trump would like. I'm looking forward to every picture of Trump now being surrounded by people holding little note pads, furiously writing down the mana from the heavens they are receiving.

Marcel Petrin
30-05-2017, 08:23 PM
Also, it's nice to see that Sissi got the message about "no lectures": http://archive.is/uNILH


Having been assured by the president at a Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, summit that he would receive no “lecture” from Washington for his domestic repression,Egyptian strongman Abdel Fatah al-Sissi (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-on-saudi-visit-trump-has-cordial-chat-1495372937-htmlstory.html) returned to Cairo last week and immediately doubled (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/world/middleeast/egypt-sisi-ngo-crackdown-activists.html)down. More than 20 news sites were shut and dozens of secular liberal political activists arrested, including Khaled Ali (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/egypt-presidential-candidate-khaled-ali-detained-170524042956524.html), a human rights lawyer who had said he might run against Mr. Sissi in the 2018 presidential election.

On Monday, Mr. Sissi ratified a new law imposing unprecedented restrictions on civil society groups. The new rules essentially make it illegal for Egyptians to form independent associations without the government’s permission, and give the regime’s intelligence and security services authority to control all foreign funding for them. Human rights groups, among others, said it will become impossible for them to legally operate inside the country. Egypt could soon resemble nations such as Cuba and North Korea, where only state-controlled civic groups exist.

The law was widely condemned as draconian (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/pomed.org/pomed-publications/dangers-of-egypts-pending-ngo-law/?utm_content=buffer1f80a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer) when Mr. Sissi’s rubber-stamp parliament passed it last November. Critics pointed out that it violated Egypt’s constitution as well as international conventions it has joined. Leading members of Congress, including Republican Sens. Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.) and John McCain (Ariz.), warned that they would attach new conditions (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2016/12/statement-by-senators-john-mccain-lindsey-graham-on-egyptian-legislation-regulating-ngos)to U.S. aid to Egypt if the law were enacted. The blowback apparently gave the regime pause: Mr. Sissi did not sign the legislation.



Following his second embrace by Mr. Trump in less than two months, however, Mr. Sissi moved forward. His action followed a terrorist attack last week on Coptic Christian pilgrims that killed 28 people (https://archive.is/o/uNILH/https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/26/world/middleeast/egypt-coptic-christian-attack.html). But the activists, media and civil society groups targeted by Mr. Sissi have nothing to do with the Islamic State, whose Egyptian affiliate has grown steadily stronger since Mr. Sissi took power in a 2013 military coup.

All very historic, you see.

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 07:30 AM
Breaking news

Trump may take the USA out of the Paris Accord.

Burn coal, drill, drill, drill, gut the EPA, drop regulations and allow companies to pollute.

Hello 1970's

http://i1251.photobucket.com/albums/hh544/SunSeekerHawk/pngbase641bfc14e1dfbdf4e6_zpsnv3pex8c.png
Vehicle emissions are 1/1000th that prior to the EPA.


https://motherjones.com/files/images/cleveland.preview.jpeg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/10/article-2291247-188DBDD1000005DC-658_634x356.jpg

https://motherjones.com/files/images/manhattan2_0.gif

http://cdn.list25.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/love-canal.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CtcENibOpRQ/VKA5EhMBWZI/AAAAAAABLqs/xWTuFwELbDU/s1600/1970s%2BAmerica%2B(16).jpg

Make "America Great Again!" Just like Jhina

http://static.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/china-bad-pollution-climate-change-7__880.jpg

All for corporate greed at the expense of the lowly workers who die just breathing the air and drinking the water.


Tom Lehrer song from the 1960's

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz_-KNNl-no


Time was when an American about to go abroad would be warned by his friends or the guidebooks not to drink the water. But times have changed, and now a foreigner coming to this country might be offered the following advice:

If you visit American city,
You will find it very pretty.
Just two things of which you must beware:
Don't drink the water and don't breathe the air!

Pollution, pollution!
They got smog and sewage and mud.
Turn on your tap
And get hot and cold running crud!

See the halibuts and the sturgeons
Being wiped out by detergeons.
Fish gotta swim and birds gotta fly,
But they don't last long if they try.

Pollution, pollution!
You can use the latest toothpaste,
And then rinse your mouth
With industrial waste.

Just go out for a breath of air
And you'll be ready for Medicare.
The city streets are really quite a thrill -
If the hoods don't get you, the monoxide will.

Pollution, pollution!
Wear a gas mask and a veil.
Then you can breathe,
Long as you don't inhale!

Lots of things there that you can drink,
But stay away from the kitchen sink!
The breakfast garbage that you throw into the Bay
They drink at lunch in San Jose.*

So go to the city,
See the crazy people there.
Like lambs to the slaughter,
They're drinking the water
And breathing [cough] the air!

seamusmcduffs
31-05-2017, 08:58 AM
Trump Pulls out of Paris Agreement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037)

One of three countries to do so. Puts them in the big leagues with Nicaragua and Syria, two countries that everyone looks up to.

Even a lot of big energy companies wanted to stay in.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-paris-agreement-climate-change-oil-companies-shell-bp-exxon-urge-president-stay-in-a7745666.html

Also didn't have the balls to do it while he was meeting with other world leaders, told them he had to think about it.

noodle
31-05-2017, 09:02 AM
Nicaragua didn't go in on it because they didn't feel it went far enough, so it's not really fair to lump them in with a country being torn apart (and Syria too).

MrOilers
31-05-2017, 09:23 AM
Trump Pulls out of Paris Agreement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037)


Good. He's not caving into peer pressure and guilt trips that other countries use to persuade other countries to sign.

If all of the rest of the past international climate change agreements are any indication, the Paris agreement is yet another big global wealth redistribution scheme disguised as "environmental activism".

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 09:43 AM
Yeah, you and Trump believe that climate change is all a hoax by the Chinese.

http://www.asianews.it/files/img/CINA_-_0611_-_Tasse_inquinamento.jpg

trump does have a plan.

He is going to build an enormous dome over the entire US to keep out climate change, immigrants, unfair trade, Mexican rapists, Muslims, the Press, science, facts and reality.


They call it the Trump Dome

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/img/backwoods_sleuth/2015/08/30/springfield_dome.png

H.L.
31-05-2017, 09:52 AM
Trump Pulls out of Paris Agreement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037)


Good. He's not caving into peer pressure and guilt trips that other countries use to persuade other countries to sign.

If all of the rest of the past international climate change agreements are any indication, the Paris agreement is yet another big global wealth redistribution scheme disguised as "environmental activism".

Its obvious what it is, cap and trade is a shell game Any leftie should know that..well maybe not..

seamusmcduffs
31-05-2017, 09:57 AM
Nicaragua didn't go in on it because they didn't feel it went far enough, so it's not really fair to lump them in with a country being torn apart (and Syria too).

I know, if anything they don't deserve to be on that non-signing list with America. But I'll admit it was an easy jab.

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 10:15 AM
Amazing that Obama was grilled for having a BlackBerry when he became President because of possible security issues and had to get NSA approval.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/23/us/politics/23berry.html

The Cheeto in Chief is giving out his personal cell number to World leaders after blasting Hillary Clinton for having a private server for her emails.

Trump's cellphone diplomacy raises security concerns
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/05/31/trump-cellphone-diplomacy-raises-security-concerns


President Trump has been handing out his cellphone number to world leaders and urging them to call him directly, an unusual invitation that breaks diplomatic protocol and is raising concerns about the security and secrecy of the U.S. commander in chief's communications.

Trump has urged leaders of Canada and Mexico to reach him on his cellphone, according to former and current U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the practice. Of the two, only Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has taken advantage of the offer so far, the officials said.


Trump also exchanged numbers with French President Emmanuel Macron when the two spoke immediately following Macron's victory earlier this month, according to a French official, who would not comment on whether Macron intended to use the line.


All the officials demanded anonymity because they were not authorized to reveal the conversations. Neither the White House nor Trudeau's office responded to requests for comment.


The notion of world leaders calling each other up via cellphone may seem unremarkable in the modern, mobile world. But in the diplomatic arena, where leader-to-leader calls are highly orchestrated affairs, it is another notable breach of protocol for a president who has expressed distrust of official channels. The formalities and discipline of diplomacy have been a rough fit for Trump — who, before taking office, was long easily accessible by cellphone and viewed himself as freewheeling, impulsive dealmaker.


Presidents generally place calls on one of several secure phone lines, including those in the White House Situation Room, the Oval Office or the presidential limousine. Even if Trump uses his government-issued cellphone, his calls are vulnerable to eavesdropping, particularly from foreign governments, national security experts say.


"If you are speaking on an open line, then it's an open line, meaning those who have the ability to monitor those conversations are doing so," said Derek Chollet, a former Pentagon adviser and National Security Council official now at the German Marshall Fund of the United States.


A president "doesn't carry with him a secure phone," Chollet said. "If someone is trying to spy on you, then everything you're saying, you have to presume that others are listening to it."


The caution is warranted even when dealing with allies. As German Chancellor Angela Merkel's learned in 2013, when a dump of American secrets leaked by Edward Snowden revealed the U.S. was monitoring her cellphone, good relations don't prevent some spycraft between friends.


"If you are Macron or the leader of any country and you get the cellphone number of the president of the United States, it's reasonable to assume that they'd hand it right over to their intel service," said Ashley Deeks, a law professor at the University of Virginia who formerly served as the assistant legal adviser for political-military affairs in the U.S. State Department.

The practice opens Trump up to charges of hypocrisy. Throughout last year's presidential campaign, he lambasted Democratic rival Hillary Clinton for using a private email server while she was secretary of state, insisting she should not be given access to classified information because she would leave it vulnerable to foreign foes.


Presidents' phone calls with world leaders often involve considerable advance planning. State Department and National Security Council officials typically prepare scripted talking points and background on the leader on the other end of the line. Often an informal transcript of the call is made and circulated among a select group — sometimes a small clutch of aides, sometimes a broader group of foreign policy officials. Those records are preserved and archived.


The White House did not respond to questions on whether the president is keeping records of any less-formal calls with world leaders.


Trump's White House is already facing scrutiny for apparent efforts to work outside usual diplomatic channels.

MrOilers
31-05-2017, 10:23 AM
Trump Pulls out of Paris Agreement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037)


Good. He's not caving into peer pressure and guilt trips that other countries use to persuade other countries to sign.

If all of the rest of the past international climate change agreements are any indication, the Paris agreement is yet another big global wealth redistribution scheme disguised as "environmental activism".

Its obvious what it is, cap and trade is a shell game Any leftie should know that..well maybe not..


These are the core tenents of the Paris Climate Agreement:

(a) Holding the increase in the global average temperature to well below 2 °C above pre-industrial levels and to pursue efforts to limit the temperature increase to 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels, recognizing that this would significantly reduce the risks and impacts of climate change;

(b) Increasing the ability to adapt to the adverse impacts of climate change and foster climate resilience and low greenhouse gas emissions development, in a manner that does not threaten food production;

(c) Making finance flows consistent with a pathway towards low greenhouse gas emissions and climate-resilient development.


Translation for the gullible:

"We are going to guilt you into giving us money for vague things, using vague methods, and vague unmeasureable goals so we can continue to tax and receive money forever."

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 10:32 AM
Translation for the Climate deniers:

That is because a capitalist model is the only way to get industry and governments behind saving the planet.

seamusmcduffs
31-05-2017, 11:34 AM
Trump Pulls out of Paris Agreement:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-paris-accord-decision-1.4139037)


Good. He's not caving into peer pressure and guilt trips that other countries use to persuade other countries to sign.

If all of the rest of the past international climate change agreements are any indication, the Paris agreement is yet another big global wealth redistribution scheme disguised as "environmental activism".

Ever think that maybe, just maybe, something that basically every country agrees on, based on information that their is scientific consensus on is probably the best course of action? If it was a wealth distribution scheme there would be more than just the US pulling out, I'm sure China wouldn't be too happy with that either. But no it's a giant conspiracy that every single other country in the would happens to be in on.

The US environmental policies summed up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYAuR5bkIlQ

KC
31-05-2017, 02:23 PM
Should this become a separate Trump on climate policy thread? I believe admin wanted various Trump issues separated out.

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 02:23 PM
That would require 78 threads

Marcel Petrin
31-05-2017, 02:42 PM
I don't see why it's even necessary to have more than one thread on Trump/US politics. It all runs together anyways.

Medwards
31-05-2017, 03:27 PM
Do we need another thread to discuss what covfefe means?

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 03:29 PM
How about a daily Twit Tweet thread?

KC
31-05-2017, 05:33 PM
I don't see why it's even necessary to have more than one thread on Trump/US politics. It all runs together anyways.

The decision was made, protest it once, then fall in line and move on.

Gemini
31-05-2017, 05:50 PM
I kinda liked the Trump generic thread. It got to be a bit of a riot of thoughts but people seemed to bumble through it.

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 05:53 PM
^^ yes, conform

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5526/9627911040_a09c8def11.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtvjbmoDx-I

Gemini
31-05-2017, 06:03 PM
^Is this a self portrait?

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 06:53 PM
dumb comment

Gemini
31-05-2017, 07:21 PM
^I guess that it will look that way after you edited your post after I posted mine. Sigh.

champking
31-05-2017, 07:45 PM
I love Trump for his fight against the globalist . But, if we to talk about zombie lemmings I went downtown Edmonton for the first time in 6 years . I think people are totally unaware of their surroundings for I didn't see 1 person look both ways when crossing the road, they just walk around starring in to their phones, bumping in to each other. Had to use the washroom , so try the Timmy's by Manulife and they wanted a receipt...well, as a big timmies drinker I'm now in full boycott. So find a bathroom in the food court and like every stall, just a pig sty. Nobody knows how to flush a toilet , there's **** all over the seats , the walls, diabetes straps laying all over..and these are our 'professionals?....what a zoo. And the bus drivers are so aggressive cutting everyone off like they own the road. Never seen anything like it. Total lack of respect, no kindness, no awareness....just zombie slobs.

Edmonton PRT
31-05-2017, 09:05 PM
^I guess that it will look that way after you edited your post after I posted mine. Sigh.

I just added the two arrows '^^'. No words were changed.

Gemini
31-05-2017, 09:33 PM
^I guess that it will look that way after you edited your post after I posted mine. Sigh.

I just added the two arrows '^^'. No words were changed.
Oh man. You edit/modified/changed your post. Whether it was an arrow, moving a comma, adding a period, don't try to weasel out of it like you normally do. Just fess up and stop constantly wanting the last word when someone points out your inaccuracies.

See the difference changing things can make.

Woman, without her man is nothing.

Woman, without her, man is nothing.

Edmonton PRT
01-06-2017, 05:20 AM
Get a grip. I posted and during that time, another poster interspaced between the post I was responding to. So I added the arrows to indicate I was responding to the earlier post.

As I said, get a grip. Who made you the thread Sheriff? The grammar police union?