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moahunter
05-11-2015, 03:46 PM
Well done Rona, congrats!

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/rona-ambrose-named-interim-leader-of-the-conservative-party-of-canada

noodle
05-11-2015, 03:55 PM
That's who the Cons picked? PRICELESS

The anti-environment Minister of the Environment. The anti-woman, pro-life Minister responsible for the Status of Women. The anti-science, "reefer madness" Minister of Health. This is who's gonna start rebuilding the Conservative Party & platform?

The Conservatives couldn't have given Trudeau a better present.

etownboarder
05-11-2015, 03:59 PM
Bravo. Hope she ruins their reputation even more. Useless boob.

Replacement
05-11-2015, 04:21 PM
Bravo. Hope she ruins their reputation even more. Useless boob.

How enlightened of a Liberal to refer to a woman as a useless boob.

The quality of political discussion that goes on here..:smt044

The Man From YEG
05-11-2015, 04:25 PM
Bravo. Hope she ruins their reputation even more. Useless boob.

How enlightened of a Liberal to refer to a woman as a useless boob.

The quality of political discussion that goes on here..:smt044

You must be Kreskin.

Barry N
05-11-2015, 04:37 PM
Nice hair thou ;)

nobleea
05-11-2015, 04:44 PM
Wow. That was unexpected.

I know it's a pretty pointless position until someone new is picked, but this is really shooting themselves in the foot. Maybe it's to make the future leader seem like the saviour in comparison.

Sonic Death Monkey
05-11-2015, 04:45 PM
First off, outside of politics I've always harbored a crush for Rona! :smt049

Unfortunately Ambrose has been a useless politician. She was such a Harper puppet that she might as well have had Harper's arm up her arse. She was supposed to be Edmonton's advocate at the Cabinet table, but she was very weak in that regard, apart from the table scraps that she managed to scrounge from the Cons. I'll never forget how Mandel tore her a new hole after the Expo bid was killed by her party.

It's obvious Ambrose was chosen as interim leader to put a more youthful and attractive face to the party to oppose Trudeau. However, given that she did a media scrum afterwards, maybe she'll be a more warm and open leader than the cold control freak before her.

expat
05-11-2015, 05:08 PM
First off, outside of politics I've always harbored a crush for Rona! :smt049



"A crush for Rona". What are you, 12?... What do want to do, hold hands with her under the school desk, and write her name on your pencil case?... :smt082

Drumbones
05-11-2015, 05:23 PM
If you don't think she's sexy, we know you are gay. Lol

Drumbones
05-11-2015, 05:25 PM
Maybe as leader she will soften her stance as her nazi leader is now toast

Gemini
05-11-2015, 05:33 PM
Maybe because her name is RONA they thought she would be good at re-building things. Seems like the only thing she may have in common with re-structuring.

etownboarder
05-11-2015, 05:39 PM
If you don't think she's sexy, we know you are gay. Lol

WTF? So if a gay man said she was hot, he must be straight according to your logic. I would offer that the gay dude must be blind myself.

The Man From YEG
05-11-2015, 05:40 PM
I'm just happy to see that moderates have hijacked a CON thread for a change!:p

KC
05-11-2015, 06:15 PM
You guys really have to stop drinking alone and posting when you're hard up for companionship.

Sonic Death Monkey
05-11-2015, 08:06 PM
You guys really have to stop drinking alone and posting when you're hard up for companionship.

That's pretty rich coming from a guy who spends his weekend nights necroing dead threads here

ThomasH
05-11-2015, 08:24 PM
Folks, let's keep the personal jabs out of this.

Jaerdo
05-11-2015, 08:37 PM
If you don't think she's sexy, we know you are gay. Lol


Fitting remark, as only someone like Rona Ambrose would think this is an insult…


In all seriousness, MP Ambrose has been selected because she will do a fine job at holding together the factions in the Reform-Con alliance as they select a leader to define their new approach.

Recall Bob Rae leading the Liberals. He didn't define anything, and no one thought he would be the new face of the Liberals. He was selected because he could ensure calm as they determined a new path.

AShetsen
05-11-2015, 09:33 PM
Every day the Conservatives are digging deeper and deeper the same hole the Liberals did in 2006 and for six years after.

They believe that just because they got 30% of the vote and 99 seats their base has held together and all will be good next time around. Some photogenic personable beauty will be selected to offer the same bigotry, divisiveness, and dark-age ignorance they delivered for a decade, the population will rally around them, and all will be well.

Just as the Liberals for the longest time pretended that getting 103 seats and 30% of the vote meant their base held, and with a new personable and friendly leader the population would soon re-elect them, to govern the country quite well if with a lot of entitlements. You know how that worked out.

Here's what Conservatives utterly fail to address.

"Barbaric cultural practices" is a terribly bigger hammer against them than their "sponsorship scandal" was for ten years against the Liberals.

It reminds way too many of the population that they are, or their parents and grandparents were, "barbarians" who fled here from somewhere else.

It reminds too many people that Liberal Canada accepted them while Conservative Canada did not.

And it's not just the Moslems (who aren't even human as far as too many Conservatives are concerned) who are reminded of this. It's also Jews and Asians and Africans and Europeans of all sorts, all of whom were derided and put down and mocked by Conservative Canada even as they and their children worked their way up here.

But the Conservatives' whole policy is defined by opposition to "barbaric cultural practices". Their whole identity is defined by fear, loathing, and hatred of "barbaric cultural practices".

Conservatives hate the very fact that keeps Canadians together. The fact we are all, every damn last one of us, except for a bit of old-stock and wealthy amnesiacs, "barbarians" in exile from there, and at home here in Canada.

And until they resolve this huge problem in who they are, they will lose.

Even if they keep the shrinking rural base.

The Man From YEG
06-11-2015, 06:24 AM
You guys really have to stop drinking alone and posting when you're hard up for companionship.


You got it all wrong, just ask Rona Palin. We get all the companionship we need down at the corner brothel after blazing a few blunts with our kids.

Paul Turnbull
06-11-2015, 07:25 AM
What this illustrates is the Harper camp is still in control of the Party. She's a competent but average politician whose loyalty to Harper was unwavering.

H.L.
06-11-2015, 07:31 AM
WTG Rona!!! Thumbs up.

highlander
06-11-2015, 08:04 AM
It's the hair. It's still Lego hair.

Top_Dawg
06-11-2015, 08:25 AM
Folks, let's keep the personal jabs out of this.

Step aside TH and let the big dogs pi$$.

Top_Dawg likes this thread. :smt038

noodle
06-11-2015, 09:18 AM
If you don't think she's sexy, we know you are gay. Lol

No, I just prefer women to Stevie Sweatervest's used up sockpuppets.

KC
06-11-2015, 09:30 AM
Folks, let's keep the personal jabs out of this.

Yes, it started off extremely personal with comments about an MP's looks rather than merit and qualifications beyond her sexual appeal to male (and female) voters.

KC
06-11-2015, 09:35 AM
You guys really have to stop drinking alone and posting when you're hard up for companionship.

That's pretty rich coming from a guy who spends his weekend nights necroing dead threads here

That's a good one. :-) You've got a great sense of "humor" (mediaeval pun intended).

KC
06-11-2015, 09:38 AM
Folks, let's keep the personal jabs out of this.

Step aside TH and let the big dogs pi$$.

Top_Dawg likes this thread. :smt038

Well then, show us the pictures. :-)

But there's a lot better material available on Palin.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MsyZKtKyZy8


Thank God for Photoshop and Ashley Madison. :-)

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/palin.asp


~

ThomasH
06-11-2015, 10:12 AM
I meant personal jabs against fellow forumers.

KC
06-11-2015, 10:15 AM
I meant personal jabs against fellow forumers.

You discriminate :-)

Anyway, we're all anonymous here, so are they really personal? As the Supreme Ruler of the Universe, I can take 'personal' jabs.

Ambrose however is named but not here to defend herself or put down those attacking her.

Drumbones
06-11-2015, 10:27 AM
After all this I would like to congratulate Rona on her new posting. Another Albertan doing a great job on the national front. Although controversial, among sceptics especially, she definitely has the leadership qualities and speaks well. I think she will soften her stance now that Harper is out of the picture and the cons have suffered a huge loss at the polls. Good luck on the hill Ms. Ambrose!

KC
06-11-2015, 10:51 AM
After all this I would like to congratulate Rona on her new posting. Another Albertan doing a great job on the national front. Although controversial, among sceptics especially, she definitely has the leadership qualities and speaks well. I think she will soften her stance now that Harper is out of the picture and the cons have suffered a huge loss at the polls. Good luck on the hill Ms. Ambrose!

Ok, now you can go have a drink and hit the porn.

:-) Love it!

moahunter
06-11-2015, 11:10 AM
I find a lot of the comments on this thread quite sad. It seems if you are a woman, and you are Conservative, then you are garbage / evil. It doesn't matter that you come from the Edmoton region, and it doesn't matter that you have acheived in politically, in this case, to the very top (at least, on an interim basis).

I prefer Conservative policies (at least, fiscally), but that doesn't mean I'm not happy when an Alberta politician from the Liberal party does well. For example, I didn't agree with Ann McClellan politically, but she represented Edmonton in a senior cabinet role. She was an acheiver. Rona is as well. That's a good thing for the Edmonton region, and for Alberta, not a bad thing.

Sonic Death Monkey
06-11-2015, 11:20 AM
McClellan did a helluva lot more for Edmonton as a cabinet minister and deputy PM than Ambrose ever did. We got the superbase at Namao for example.

Mind you, for most of those 9 years when the Conservatives were in power, Ambrose was the only Edmonton-area MP in cabinet while just about every other Edmonton Conservative MP kept the benches warm. Uppal eventually became a cabinet minister in the last couple of years, but his primary role was to sit behind Harper in Parliament to make the party look more diverse on TV.

Top_Dawg
06-11-2015, 11:33 AM
“We need lots of brown people in the front.”
- Bill Jarvis

:smt042

KevinW
06-11-2015, 12:45 PM
I find a lot of the comments on this thread quite sad. It seems if you are a woman, and you are Conservative, then you are garbage / evil. It doesn't matter that you come from the Edmoton region, and it doesn't matter that you have acheived in politically, in this case, to the very top (at least, on an interim basis).

I prefer Conservative policies (at least, fiscally), but that doesn't mean I'm not happy when an Alberta politician from the Liberal party does well. For example, I didn't agree with Ann McClellan politically, but she represented Edmonton in a senior cabinet role. She was an acheiver. Rona is as well. That's a good thing for the Edmonton region, and for Alberta, not a bad thing.

What are her signature achievements though, both big-picture as a cabinet minister and as it relates to Edmonton specifically? How did she represent Edmonton well? She seemed to gain more notoriety from her cabinet positions for running directly opposite of her portfolio (ie environment minister not proposing any action on climate change, minister for women being pro-life, etc.) than she did for any landmark pieces of legislation or directives she undertook. I'm absolutely all for having senior politicians on-board that represent the Edmonton area well, regardless of the party. But did she deliver on that? She was certainly front and center every time the Conservative party was making excuses for short-changing Edmonton (National Portrait Gallery, Expo, Valley Line), but she doesn't deserve kudos for not being able to deliver in those instances.

Regardless, her time as interim leader will probably serve her well. I'm sure most people know, but it hasn't been explicitly mentioned (I don't think) here, but as interim leader, Ambrose cannot run to be the next permanent leader of the party. Maybe her plan is to gain a little cred as interim leader, work as a top dog to the next leader and gain some valuable experience, and then run for leader in a decade or so when it comes back around. She is certainly young enough to have that plan, and I think the next round government will provide a good opportunity for her to carve out her own rep, because honestly to most people I'm not sure what her rep is, other than 'Harper's faithful Edmonton lackey'.

KC
06-11-2015, 12:54 PM
It seems that some of the people in the world that are critical and call out:"he's/she's just another faithful lackey of ___someone they despise" (because of their gang colours) never wondering of themselves: what the heck am I doing holding a faithful allegiance to some political party? They are pretty much "faithful lackey's" themselves. The times, the conditions, the candidates, the leaders all change, but they forever stick with one or the other party throughout.

Moreover, often they vote for the party line (some fuzzy near meaningless ideology) and not the candidate that could best represent them.
Anyway - that's how I sometimes vote. :-) Flipping a coin might be better.

Paul Turnbull
06-11-2015, 01:01 PM
I find a lot of the comments on this thread quite sad. It seems if you are a woman, and you are Conservative, then you are garbage / evil. It doesn't matter that you come from the Edmoton region, and it doesn't matter that you have acheived in politically, in this case, to the very top (at least, on an interim basis).

I prefer Conservative policies (at least, fiscally), but that doesn't mean I'm not happy when an Alberta politician from the Liberal party does well. For example, I didn't agree with Ann McClellan politically, but she represented Edmonton in a senior cabinet role. She was an acheiver. Rona is as well. That's a good thing for the Edmonton region, and for Alberta, not a bad thing.

What are her signature achievements though, both big-picture as a cabinet minister and as it relates to Edmonton specifically? How did she represent Edmonton well? She seemed to gain more notoriety from her cabinet positions for running directly opposite of her portfolio (ie environment minister not proposing any action on climate change, minister for women being pro-life, etc.) than she did for any landmark pieces of legislation or directives she undertook. I'm absolutely all for having senior politicians on-board that represent the Edmonton area well, regardless of the party. But did she deliver on that? She was certainly front and center every time the Conservative party was making excuses for short-changing Edmonton (National Portrait Gallery, Expo, Valley Line), but she doesn't deserve kudos for not being able to deliver in those instances.

Regardless, her time as interim leader will probably serve her well. I'm sure most people know, but it hasn't been explicitly mentioned (I don't think) here, but as interim leader, Ambrose cannot run to be the next permanent leader of the party. Maybe her plan is to gain a little cred as interim leader, work as a top dog to the next leader and gain some valuable experience, and then run for leader in a decade or so when it comes back around. She is certainly young enough to have that plan, and I think the next round government will provide a good opportunity for her to carve out her own rep, because honestly to most people I'm not sure what her rep is, other than 'Harper's faithful Edmonton lackey'.

I have no problem with criticizing her but much of this thread seems to more along the lines of schoolyard slurs than legitimate critiques. Reading this thread is a bit like watching an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

noodle
06-11-2015, 01:02 PM
If you come to C2E expecting legitimate critique, well-reasoned arguments or even coherent conversations you're gonna have a bad time.

KevinW
06-11-2015, 01:06 PM
I have no problem with criticizing her but much of this thread seems to more along the lines of schoolyard slurs than legitimate critiques. Reading this thread is a bit like watching an episode of Beavis and Butthead.

Oh I agree, I have no time for any of that type of discussion. The comments on her looks and the subsequent discussion makes me cringe, frankly its embarrassing.
I was hoping to steer the conversation in a different direction, probably hopelessly.

ajs
06-11-2015, 01:14 PM
Her endgame may be provincial rather than federal. I bet Preston Manning likes the idea of Ambrose as leader of a merged Wildrose/ Alberta PC party. A quick dash to the premier's office after this little NDP interregnum.

Komrade
06-11-2015, 01:39 PM
I find a lot of the comments on this thread quite sad. It seems if you are a woman, and you are Conservative, then you are garbage / evil.

Perhaps not garbage or evil. But maybe shortsighted or lacking an education? lolol.

Fiscal responsibilities aside Conservative social policy has never really pushed women forward. Some may go as far as calling their social policies 'anti-women'.

H.L.
06-11-2015, 01:41 PM
I find a lot of the comments on this thread quite sad. It seems if you are a woman, and you are Conservative, then you are garbage / evil.

Perhaps not garbage or evil. But maybe shortsighted or lacking an education? lolol.

Fiscal responsibilities aside Conservative social policy has never really pushed women forward. Some may go as far as calling their social policies 'anti-women'.

As a woman, I don't feel that way at all. Of course some women do need to be more coddled than others.

The Man From YEG
06-11-2015, 02:06 PM
CONS slogan reinforced with the new Interim Leader:


"Because it should be 1915."

Marcel Petrin
06-11-2015, 02:10 PM
As a woman, I don't feel that way at all. Of course some women do need to be more coddled than others.

If by coddling you mean interfering with their reproductive rights, then sure: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rona-ambrose-criticized-for-supporting-abortion-debate-motion-1.973934

And let's not forget her stunningly ignorant comments about the Supreme Court's decision on medical marijuana: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ambrose-outraged-by-scc-s-marijuana-ruling-1.2417118

Helpful hint for Ambrose: as an MP, even as a cabinet minister, heck even as the Prime Minister, you don't get to be outraged at Supreme Court decisions. That's why it's called the Supreme Court. And especially when the decision was unanimous.

I once had high hopes that she'd be an excellent MP to represent Alberta's interests federally. But she's been a huge disappointment. Maybe she'll make a comeback.

Sonic Death Monkey
06-11-2015, 05:03 PM
Kudos due where kudos due: a good start

Rona Ambrose will support inquiry into missing, murdered indigenous women
'This is an absolutely non-partisan issue,' interim Conservative leader says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-will-support-inquiry-into-missing-murdered-indigenous-women-1.3308463


The Conservatives will support a public inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women, says interim leader Rona Ambrose.

Her comments mark a reversal of the position taken by the Conservatives under Stephen Harper, who repeatedly rebuffed growing calls for a national inquiry, saying the government action on crime precluded the need for further studies.

"If the Liberal government wants to do an inquiry, and they think that's an important thing to do, I will support it," said Ambrose during an interview on CBC News Network's Power & Politics.

Ambrose said she met with Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould today.

"Our approach was always, let's not study it, let's take more action. If this government wants to do this study, we will support it.… I said to her, I'll support you in any way," Ambrose told host Rosemary Barton.

Replacement
06-11-2015, 05:35 PM
As a woman, I don't feel that way at all. Of course some women do need to be more coddled than others.

If by coddling you mean interfering with their reproductive rights, then sure: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/rona-ambrose-criticized-for-supporting-abortion-debate-motion-1.973934

And let's not forget her stunningly ignorant comments about the Supreme Court's decision on medical marijuana: http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/ambrose-outraged-by-scc-s-marijuana-ruling-1.2417118

Helpful hint for Ambrose: as an MP, even as a cabinet minister, heck even as the Prime Minister, you don't get to be outraged at Supreme Court decisions. That's why it's called the Supreme Court. And especially when the decision was unanimous.

I once had high hopes that she'd be an excellent MP to represent Alberta's interests federally. But she's been a huge disappointment. Maybe she'll make a comeback.

Re the first citation I'm not sure Ambrose ought to be criticized just for that isolated view and vote and for the reasons contained in the article. This is a complex issue involving an intersection of rights and this issue isn't going away. One could even commend a politician in this day and age on voting on conviction rather than just opting safe positions that would get more votes. 4 liberals also voted in favor of the bill ftr.

As far as the Medical Marijuana issue I'm not sure Rona's position on that is defensible. I'm actually not clear what position she's trying to take. I agree we could do without the outrage at the supreme court decision. I daresay that was Harpers nonsense being contagious. Rona being impacted potentially by that. I don't theres been any federal govt here that questioned more decisions of the courts than the Harper led Cons.

River Valley Green
06-11-2015, 07:05 PM
Kudos due where kudos due: a good start

Rona Ambrose will support inquiry into missing, murdered indigenous women
'This is an absolutely non-partisan issue,' interim Conservative leader says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-will-support-inquiry-into-missing-murdered-indigenous-women-1.3308463


The Conservatives will support a public inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women, says interim leader Rona Ambrose.

Her comments mark a reversal of the position taken by the Conservatives under Stephen Harper, who repeatedly rebuffed growing calls for a national inquiry, saying the government action on crime precluded the need for further studies.

"If the Liberal government wants to do an inquiry, and they think that's an important thing to do, I will support it," said Ambrose during an interview on CBC News Network's Power & Politics.

Ambrose said she met with Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould today.

"Our approach was always, let's not study it, let's take more action. If this government wants to do this study, we will support it.… I said to her, I'll support you in any way," Ambrose told host Rosemary Barton.

You can give her kudos. I refuse. This opposition is going to play all nicey nicey and try (once again) to hide their true agenda. They're going to wait until Canadians are fooled. I was never fooled by them. If (god forbid) they're re-elected, we're going to see the same crap all over again, just with a different leader. After all, they're the most right wing party. WTF else are they going do? Actually change? Just all of a sudden ignore the millions of right wing Canadians who voted for them? Not on your life.

moahunter
09-11-2015, 09:18 AM
Much has been made of Trudeau’s fulfilled promise to effect gender parity in his cabinet. Some critics have noted that imposed quotas raise concerns about the actual merits of some of the chosen appointees. Since the Liberal pool was so well-stocked with excellent candidates, the quota was fulfilled without having to resort to unqualified women. The Liberal female cabinet ministers come from richly diverse career backgrounds. But given Trudeau’s own policy directives, they are necessarily of one mind on issues dear to feminist hearts. We can be sure that we will hear no murmurings from Trudeau’s cabinet women about the immorality of sex-selection abortion, for example, being carried out largely in certain cultural communities.

Thus, ironically, a Liberal Rona Ambrose would not have made the cut for the Trudeau cabinet. In 2012, Ambrose, at the time minister for the status of women, had the temerity to vote her conscience on Motion 312 — a private member’s bill endorsing the creation of a committee that would define when human life began — and was attacked for it by high-profile feminists both in government and out. Gail Robinson, director of the University Health Network’s Women’s Mental Health Program, said Ambrose should be “particularly ashamed” because of her status of women title.

But as a Post columnist responded, “Ashamed? For what? Voting her conscience on one of the most important bioethical issues facing humanity?” Ambrose was very precise about her reasons for her vote: “I have repeatedly raised concerns about discrimination of girls by sex-selection abortion,” she tweeted. “No law needed, but we need awareness.” Many, probably the majority of, Canadian women felt more represented by Ambrose’s perspective than by the hard-line feminism Trudeau supports.

http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=722736

24karat
09-11-2015, 10:36 AM
Saw this on Facebook
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/TVNewsman/12227137_1063641223654460_3239485388634328768_n.jp g

H.L.
09-11-2015, 01:03 PM
Kudos due where kudos due: a good start

Rona Ambrose will support inquiry into missing, murdered indigenous women
'This is an absolutely non-partisan issue,' interim Conservative leader says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/rona-ambrose-will-support-inquiry-into-missing-murdered-indigenous-women-1.3308463


The Conservatives will support a public inquiry into missing and murdered indigenous women, says interim leader Rona Ambrose.

Her comments mark a reversal of the position taken by the Conservatives under Stephen Harper, who repeatedly rebuffed growing calls for a national inquiry, saying the government action on crime precluded the need for further studies.

"If the Liberal government wants to do an inquiry, and they think that's an important thing to do, I will support it," said Ambrose during an interview on CBC News Network's Power & Politics.

Ambrose said she met with Justice Minister Jody Wilson-Raybould today.

"Our approach was always, let's not study it, let's take more action. If this government wants to do this study, we will support it.… I said to her, I'll support you in any way," Ambrose told host Rosemary Barton.

If Trudeau is the disaster I think he will be, we are going to need a strong opposition.

Drumbones
09-11-2015, 02:13 PM
Re: Indigenous women. Amazing how this issue was a nonissue with the cons before the election but now suddenly they are onside with it

moahunter
09-11-2015, 02:30 PM
Re: Indigenous women. Amazing how this issue was a nonissue with the cons before the election but now suddenly they are onside with it
I think the commission is a waste of time. What are they going to find? That there is a lot of domestic violence? That there is a serial killer? I'm thinking the police are already trying to deal with those possibilities. But its politics now, its not so much about this commission actually acheiving anything, its about appearing to be doing something. Rona gets that, its not worth being beaten up over politically.

Drumbones
09-11-2015, 02:32 PM
That makes it even more amazing.

Cal76
11-11-2015, 11:17 AM
The CPC's issues are far different from those of the NDP and the LPC around 2008-11.
The social conservatives have become particularly bloodthirsty as their apparent power has grown yet nothing seems to be going their way (no one with half a brain would touch LGBT and abortion rights, while pot and neutral foreign policy make them even more marginalized).
The best way for the CPC to survive as a sensible centre-right party would be to let the social-cons loose (and hope they fade away like Social Credit or WCC).
Rona is smart but spineless (or at least was under Harper)........ so not sure if she would deal with this issue. The media has been a bit too fawning over her, but I might just be a tad biased...

highlander
11-11-2015, 12:17 PM
I don't think that social conservative issues are as poisonous as you suggest, neither are social conservative voters at all monolithic. And I think that a reactionary opposition to some social conservative issues like Trudeau's declaration that no Liberal candidate could have, or at least not express, pro-life views is extremely harmful and contributes to the kind of polarization that you see in the US.

That probably lost him more votes than he gained.

moahunter
11-11-2015, 12:32 PM
^Id argue Rona is more mainstream than Trudeau on that issue. Her concerns are around people aborting to select boys ahead of girls, I think it's reasonable to have some concerns over that, which is what she expressed. I'm curious to see as well, if the Liberals are going to roll back the sentencing for extreme crimes (like the pimp of underaged girls who just got more than 20 years).

kkozoriz
11-11-2015, 03:15 PM
"Tobacco is a product that does a lot of damage. Marijuana is infinitely worse and it's something that we do not want to encourage," - Stephen Harper (probably on his way to a three martini lunch)

Shows just how out of touch he is, as is the party. The Progressive Conservative party has basically been driven out of the CPC. Harper even called the idea of a progressive conservative an oxymoron, since to his way of thinking you can't be both. Funny how the Tories managed it for decades before the Reformers split the party and then took over the remains.

Trudeau;s declaration about abortion is simply to state that the Liberals believe that it's up to a woman to make the decision, that she has the right to decide for herself. If candidates want to take that right away from her, then the CPC is probably more to their liking. Of course, the Cons wouldn't want to open that can of worms either but they certainly would milk it for all they could,

It's not Liberals, NDP or Greens that are sending out things like this:



Anti-abortion flyers targeting Justin Trudeau land in Toronto mail

Canada Post says it does not have the legal right to refuse to deliver the mail, despite a number of complaints about graphic anti-abortion flyers targeting Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau.

The flyers first surfaced last spring, when residents of Ottawa and Saskatoon, among other cities, complained about the pamphlets' disturbing images, which included aborted fetuses.

This week, the flyers reappeared in Toronto mailboxes, but were concealed in plain envelopes marked with the words "Important Election Information."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/anti-abortion-flyers-targeting-justin-trudeau-land-in-toronto-mail-1.3174287

highlander
11-11-2015, 03:53 PM
^You might notice that it wasn't the conservative party either. That particular citizens group is deceived if they thought that Harper's conservatives would do anything different when it matters.

Honestly that article almost reads like satire. I had to read it twice to be sure what the interviewed citizen thought was child abuse.

kkozoriz
11-11-2015, 05:24 PM
It wasn't the party itself but you can bet it was people that would vote CPC.

Sonic Death Monkey
15-11-2015, 11:15 AM
MacLeans article
http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/justin-trudeau-nato-and-the-problem-with-backseat-ministering/


Jason Kenney, the former defence minister, was quick to assert (https://twitter.com/jkenney/status/665637562271186945) that Hollande’s statement “has implications for Canada under the NATO Treaty’s Article 5.” Article 5 is the big one: it declares that an attack on one member state is an attack on all, and will meet a response from all. There followed a tirade from Kenney, interrupted with heckling from yours truly, to the effect that from the moment Hollande said the word “war,” Canada had a treaty obligation to ditch Trudeau’s plan to withdraw the CF-18s.

To call Kenney’s reasoning shaky would be to insult Jell-O. First, as NATO’s own website explains (http://www.nato.int/terrorism/five.htm), you don’t invoke Article 5 with incantations. You do so at a meeting of the alliance’s North Atlantic Council, and Article 5 has been invoked precisely once in the alliance’s 70 years: after 9/11.

Second, again using NATO’s own language, “Allies can provide any form of assistance they deem necessary to respond to the situation. This assistance is not necessarily military and depends on the material resources of each country. Each individual member determines how it will contribute.”
It’s disturbing to see a former defence minister and near-certain aspirant to the Conservative leadership invoke Canada’s most fundamental mutual-security alliance with little apparent understanding of what it says or means.
I’m also a little tired of these Conservative party chicken hawks. If the fight against Islamic State is existential, then don’t send a measly six CF-18s. If procuring new fighters is fundamental to Canada’s security, procure some. If Canada doesn’t cut and run, then don’t end Jean Chrétien’s Afghanistan deployment just because Stephen Harper grew weary of the fight. If the way to stop refugees leaving Syria is to make Syria less of a hellhole, then don’t give Bashar al-Assad carte blanche.

If, on the other hand, you belonged to a government that ended the Afghanistan mission, deployed nothing more than cross words (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/harper-says-he-has-no-interest-in-toppling-syrian-regime-fight-only-with-islamic-state/article21584257/) against Assad, and did not send more hardware to the region than Belgium and the Netherlands, then maybe do a little less chest-beating.