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  • Don't Fear Driverless Cars

    This article has some excellent ideas as to the impact of driverless cars on society.
    http://www.city-journal.org/2014/eon0801bf.html

  • #2
    Perhaps relevant for this thread on robocars (I relaize title isn't best though)?

    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...hlight=robocar

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    • #3
      Not sure who you are comforting on the fear of driverless cars....

      As an individual we should all cheer this innovation as it will reduce collision probability and the health and financial consiquences of car accidents. Plus it can reduce carbon emissions by making transportation more efficient.

      On the other hand, if you are in car insurance, well, you should fear driverless cars:
      Financial Times, 30 July 2014
      Insurers worry driverless cars are ‘existential threat’
      http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/163eb...#axzz39r8DvfT7

      Also, there are societal consequences as this technology will put a lot of low-skilled workers currently driving taxis or delivery trucks out of business. How can our welfare system cope under the weight of unemployment benefits, how to provide a safety net for the families affected etc. Already taxi drivers feel the heat by the likes of Uber app. Just wait till cars even don't need drivers....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by FamilyMan View Post
        Also, there are societal consequences as this technology will put a lot of low-skilled workers currently driving taxis or delivery trucks out of business. How can our welfare system cope under the weight of unemployment benefits, how to provide a safety net for the families affected etc. Already taxi drivers feel the heat by the likes of Uber app. Just wait till cars even don't need drivers....
        Historically with technology changes you end up ultimately with more employed not less. At
        The moment this isn't really a concern though, there is a shortage of workforce for low skill jobs, especially in the service industries (fast food, restaurants, store, truck drivers, etc.)

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        • #5
          As the famous quote by Niles Bohr goes, "Prediction is very difficult, especially if it's about the future."

          Here is an excellent video-argument, well worth your 15 min, which put things in perspective. If e-mail checking and social media posting doesn't allow your attention to focus on one subject for 15 min, check out 5:00-7:00 minutes about driverless cars.

          Enjoy!
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

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          • #6
            Cars with autonomous features already exist. Cars that park themselves, pre-emptively brake to avoid collisions etc are on the road now. AMVIC and other institutions are looking at all the potential consequences that might fall beyond care and control

            Who's at fault if your autonomous vehicle runs someone over ? The manufacturer ? The person in care and control ? Lots of things to consider
            Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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            • #7
              The liability issue is interesting, for sure. For fully autonomous cars most of the liability will most likely rest with the manufacturers, which combined with the court's generally greater willingness to impose large fines on corporations than on individual drivers will ensure that autonomous vehicles have exceptionally high maintenance standards and are extremely safe before they become available to the public.

              I have no insight into when or even if true Auto-Auto-mobiles make it to market, but when they do they will be safe.

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              • #8
                You can be charged with a vehicular related offence even if you are not behind the wheel. Being in care and control means that you are responsible for the vehicle

                The question has come about because there are already questions about what happens when a system invariably fails, causes damage or injury
                Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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                • #9
                  Some history on driverless cars - go to 16 minutes - the Citroen DS

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AjmLmG16Nw


                  Jay Leno on the Citroen DS - inspirational ! All car designers should watch this...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzW_...ature=youtu.be

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by moahunter View Post
                    At the moment this isn't really a concern though, there is a shortage of workforce for low skill jobs, especially in the service industries (fast food, restaurants, store, truck drivers, etc.)
                    That's because the rich owners of the fast food chains, restaurants, stores, trucking companies, etc. don't want to pay a living wage.

                    Who wants those jobs if they pay minimum wage, most often much less than 40 hours so they don't have to pay for benefits and are treated like crap: changing their hours, not paying for the time staff have to set up or clean up after closing, etc.
                    Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
                      You can be charged with a vehicular related offence even if you are not behind the wheel. Being in care and control means that you are responsible for the vehicle

                      The question has come about because there are already questions about what happens when a system invariably fails, causes damage or injury
                      All it will take is a couple of high profile accidents such as a driverless car shutting down in the middle of a highway and being rear-ended, causing a multi-vehicle crash, pedestrian killed or some unforeseen issue that results in deaths and I believe that they will be banned from the roads.
                      Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                        Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
                        You can be charged with a vehicular related offence even if you are not behind the wheel. Being in care and control means that you are responsible for the vehicle

                        The question has come about because there are already questions about what happens when a system invariably fails, causes damage or injury
                        All it will take is a couple of high profile accidents such as a driverless car shutting down in the middle of a highway and being rear-ended, causing a multi-vehicle crash, pedestrian killed or some unforeseen issue that results in deaths and I believe that they will be banned from the roads.
                        And so other countries will jump ahead of Canada and soon we'll be a third world country in terms of our transportation system.

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                        • #13
                          We have been told by other posters that we should not be on the bleeding edge of technology.
                          Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                            We have been told by other posters that we should not be on the bleeding edge of technology.
                            Including me. Bleeding edge is just that. However, once the legislators get their hands on an issue, they can effectively kill the introduction of some innovations long after they've made imminent sense.

                            Just look at the adjustable headlights on that Citroen DS in the Jay Leno video. Laws banned them in North America for decades.

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                            • #15
                              I'll admit to fear and the OP article not displacing any of that. As an essay this OP is poorly contrived.

                              The stated theme is;

                              Driverless cars may soon be coming to America’s cities, and some transit enthusiasts wish they wouldn’t—particularly those who view any cars, driverless or otherwise, as a problem
                              Their concerns are misplaced, however.
                              However, the author does not state one thing that actually addreses concerns.

                              Well heres some concerns. Maybe the Auto industry could try to manufacture vehicles that don't require Millions of recalls for serious defects that are often enough detected through serial fatality crashes involving same vehicle types before they can get to work on vehicles that are going to drive by themselves.

                              lol as well at the thought of a driverless vehicle operating in inclement, and highly variable winter conditions.

                              maybe its me, and maybe its because we live in Edmonton and engineers can't figure out how to run signalling that won't result in collisions on a two train fixed track.

                              So yeah I'm a little skeptical here.
                              "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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