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  • #46
    Originally posted by RichardS View Post
    This is why this conversation is so tricky, and the current "we're being taken advantage of" approach can backfire spectacularly.

    Edmonton is, and wants to be, the big player in the region, the province, and the country. As the cliché says, with great power, comes great responsibility.

    If you want the big pro sports teams, they come with big pro sports team issues and invoices.

    If you want the national, and internationally relevant items, they come with the requisite work and invoices...

    etc, etc, etc.
    and if you want all this, but don't want to pay for it, move to Sherwood Park or Fort Sask. Get the big city advantage at small town tax rates!
    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Medwards View Post
      The city of Edmonton government should be dissolved, along with all the surrounding municipalities, and a new local authority formed for the entire metropolitian region.

      A fresh start for a this area. Make Edmonton Great Again. MEGA!
      Ditch the Edmonton name. It's got too much baggage with the surrounding communities. Call the new megacity Strathcona instead.

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      • #48
        Can you show the differences in residential tax rates being cheaper in those 'small towns'? Or is it just assumed?

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        • #49
          It's just assumed. I can assure you my taxes in St Albert were definitely NOT cheaper than when I was in Edmonton, both in Laurier Heights and Downtown....
          President and CEO - Airshow.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Replacement View Post
            Originally posted by SP59 View Post
            Originally posted by Replacement View Post
            Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
            Let's post someone at LRT stations and on buses to check proof of residency. That should make things more efficient.
            Ever been to the Lower mainland? The Solution is simple. if you live in outlying regions you userpay more for transit. Different regions, different costs. If you want lines built out to outlying regions regional cost sharing is involved. Yet here we allow Strathcona and ST Albert route busses instead of them cost sharing in regional transit, vs their own specific transit. We even have a ETS bus going out to the Edmonton International airport, and the local shopping Center and hotels out there now. How much kick back is Edmonton getting from the IA, from all the facilities, businesses, that are only viable due to Edmonton? That only exist due to Edmonton.
            Isn't St. Albert and Strathcona County running their own busses better for the city than cost sharing? By running them they are paying costs. the cost to use the commuter bus is $6.10 per trip. Isn't that more than what a fare costs in the city?
            How is that better to the COE? That is essentially lost money as its grossly inefficient for ST. Albert and Sherwood Park to be running their own bus systems and commuter busses to Edmonton as that requires each to have their own regional administration, overhead, bus barns, infrastructure etc, and buy busses all on their own.

            By amalgamating multiple admins are replaced by one Transit Authority, which is bigger, has bigger fleets, can order more busses at one time and take advantage of volume pricing, economies of scale, Utilize Edmonton but infrastructure etc. Additionally it eliminates the need for redundant services. For instance the Sh Pk bus/St Albert could service a few stops along the way to DT thereby eliminating the need for some other stops. By combining you can also run the route at greater frequency and increased ridership.

            This in turn would be the impetus to more outlying regions joining in to ETS transit authority. If they see other towns doing it maybe Spruce Grove, Leduc, Beaumont etc also buy in and thereby decreasing unnecessary load volumes on commuter roads from people that specifically commute by driving into and out of Edmonton instead of taking a commuter bus. Not sure what the numbers are now but in the past 80-90% of residents of Beaumont worked in Edmonton resulting in huge traffic jams emanating from a small town. Its a picture of inefficiency and backwards transportation. Many of those residents could be better, and more cheaply served with transit.

            Lets increase ETS to a regional super carrier as we start to become a bigger city, and as most larger urban regions do.


            The last benefit, commerce wise, is increasing regional traffic to all outlying areas which has obvious benefit.

            To not amalgamate into A Central transit authority is just inefficient and speaks to division instead of cooperation.
            St. Albert and Strathcona County running their own transit systems doesn't cause inefficiencies for the COE so how is that not better for the COE? Transit operates at a loss. Are you advocating for the COE to take on losses that St. Albert and Strathcona County are already covering?

            Strathcona Transit does have stops in the city. I doubt you are going to increase frequency of the route by adding more stops in the city.

            If people want to live in Beaumont and have to wait in a huge traffic jam at Ellerslie Road that is their problem. Something they chose to do.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by RichardS View Post
              It's just assumed. I can assure you my taxes in St Albert were definitely NOT cheaper than when I was in Edmonton, both in Laurier Heights and Downtown....
              I specifically didn't mention St Albert. We both know why they have a higher tax rate... most of their base comes from residential.
              A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by SP59 View Post

                St. Albert and Strathcona County running their own transit systems doesn't cause inefficiencies for the COE so how is that not better for the COE? Transit operates at a loss. Are you advocating for the COE to take on losses that St. Albert and Strathcona County are already covering?

                Strathcona Transit does have stops in the city. I doubt you are going to increase frequency of the route by adding more stops in the city.

                If people want to live in Beaumont and have to wait in a huge traffic jam at Ellerslie Road that is their problem. Something they chose to do.
                not just transit, but having multiple different clients competiting for the same limited resouces pools (labour, materials, etc) can cause price escalations, and bidding wars. Going to table to bargain together (through a co-op, or outright annexing) levels the playing field for all.

                and about transit - Sherwood Park and St albert may run their own transit systems, but that's changing with the regional board. And IIRC, St Albert originally contracted ETS to provide bus service long time ago? I know fort sask, leduc, stony/grove and beaumont have all recently done as much.... until they are big enough... to make their own system....

                When a large corporation/industry wants to come to the Edmonton region, they can play each county and municipality against each other. Having a unified voice for the region competing in world markets makes us all stronger.
                Last edited by Medwards; 11-12-2018, 01:09 PM.
                A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                • #53
                  I told Iveson before he was Mayor to close the Valley Zoo.

                  Now, what are we really talking about here that is regional in nature?
                  Telus World of Science
                  Fort Edmonton Park
                  Rogers Place
                  Northlands
                  Transit
                  YEG and ZVL - these two are all user pay.
                  Roads

                  Well, the City of Edmonton does a good job on cost recovery of those roads. They park a mobile toll booth out on the overpasses overlooking the Yellowhead and nail all the commuters coming in from Parkland County with those lower than expected speed limits. I mean, come on, 90 km/h on the Yellowhead from Hwy 216 to 149 Street? I'm sure that thing is engineered for 110 km/h.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
                    Originally posted by Medwards View Post
                    The city of Edmonton government should be dissolved, along with all the surrounding municipalities, and a new local authority formed for the entire metropolitian region.

                    A fresh start for a this area. Make Edmonton Great Again. MEGA!
                    Ditch the Edmonton name. It's got too much baggage with the surrounding communities. Call the new megacity Strathcona instead.
                    I was thinking the same thing! lol. I think Iveson is losing it. This is crazy. I’d like to see the dollar figure that people outside the city spend in this city. It would be ginormous. I’d even be willing to say that the 500,000 outside the city limits but still in metro spend as much as the 900,000 inside it do in the CofE. My family being one example. Keep the peace or even more business will be heading out. I think even the Oilers would fare poorly without seasons tickets and patrons from outside the city limits. I know this isn’t about shopping but still this is insane conversation.
                    Just enjoying another day in paradise.

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                    • #55
                      I think the valley zoo is an asset that the entire region benefits from, and should be a good candidate for regional cost sharing. Same with Fort Edmonton, TWOS and the Ukrainian Village.

                      Putting up tolls, or charging people more based on where they are from is silly.
                      Last edited by Medwards; 12-12-2018, 10:18 AM.
                      A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by David Jackson View Post
                        Well, the City of Edmonton does a good job on cost recovery of those roads. They park a mobile toll booth out on the overpasses overlooking the Yellowhead and nail all the commuters coming in from Parkland County with those lower than expected speed limits. I mean, come on, 90 km/h on the Yellowhead from Hwy 216 to 149 Street? I'm sure that thing is engineered for 110 km/h.
                        Not much different from those entering Spruce/Plain on 16A...
                        A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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