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  • So they have youth group homes in Strathcona County?

    It's nice to see that the region is chipping in on social issues. Listening to the news of that double homicide, the people in the area ain't too happy about that.
    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Was this at Bosco Homes?
    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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    • #3
      Yes.
      “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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      • #4
        In all fairness it wasn't Bosco homes or Sherwood Park's fault these two kids murdered a couple folks.

        Can't wait to see the leniency put forth by our injustice system. These kids are done, they should be liquidated and used as fertilizer.
        "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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        • #5
          ^Yip - all the people who argue "kids" shouldn't be tried as "adults" seem to go a bit quiet when something like this happens - IMO 14 year olds know right from wrong, regardless of how distrubed their lives have or haven't been.

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          • #6
            to no one in particular...
            don't be so quick to pass judgement until you walk in someone else's shoes. obviously there is a problem here. it's up to society to find out what it is and deliver a remedy so it doesn't happen again. they may know the difference but may not understand the consequences, and we all know that once you're in a tight spot it's hard to turn back. i'm not defending them, just saying that this is evidence of a larger problem.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by DTrobotnik View Post
              just saying that this is evidence of a larger problem.
              I'm a bit tired of the "larger problem" type of excuse that is always thrown our when individuals do something horrific. Bad things like this have happened throughout history - it isn't new to society now, or indicative that society today is better or worse than what it once was, or even indicative of problems in society. There will always be rotten apples.

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              • #8
                What cause the apples to rot?
                A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                • #9
                  Hmm I wonder why at 14 these two kids lost their mind?

                  physical / emotional / sexual abuse?

                  What other reason? Too much violent video games and rap music i bet
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                  • #10
                    Give me a break... it takes more than violent video games and rap music to get someone to kill another person.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Medwards View Post
                      What cause the apples to rot?
                      Why is there always assumed to be a cause? Crime stats are very consistent over time re the percentage of people who cause violent crime. No amount of social engineering by any society has changed that. At the end of the day, people are responsible for their actions.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by etownboarder View Post
                        Give me a break... it takes more than violent video games and rap music to get someone to kill another person.
                        lol sorry my sarcasm was lost

                        I do think it will show that these kids had a history of some sort of abuse

                        If thats not the case then they fit into the scariest group of people out their - true cold blooded murderers.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Komrade View Post
                          it will show that these kids had a history of some sort of abuse
                          Most people who have been abused do not go around murdering people - it isn't a justification.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by moahunter View Post
                            Originally posted by Komrade View Post
                            it will show that these kids had a history of some sort of abuse
                            Most people who have been abused do not go around murdering people - it isn't a justification.
                            No way am I trying to justify anything. But to think these were normal kids with perfect lives and they just went bonkers is a bit absurd. Its looking into these crimes and figuring out how these criminals tick that we may be able to prevent it in someone else in the future.
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                            • #15
                              Hmmm... which sociological perspective should we use to explain this situation?

                              Considering these kids have been living in a group home (for who knows how long), one of the most fitting theories of crime would be that the human appetite for wealth and power are culturally created: people seek culturally derived goals. Society sets goals and provides some direction on how these goals are to be achieved; they should be attained only by normatively approved means. Robert Merton would suggest that anomie (a social state of normlessness) arises where there is a disjunction between cultural goals and the normative means of attaining them.

                              "The extreme emphasis on the accumulation of wealth is a symbol of success in our society mitilates against the completely effective control of institutionally regulated modes of acquiring fortune. Fraud, corruption, vice, crime, in short, the entire catalogue of proscribed behaviour, becomes increasingly common." - Robert Merton

                              When people become convinced that material success is the source of all personal happiness, meaning, and status, it will be pursued without restraint. Merton directed attention away from biology and toward culture as one source of crime.

                              Emile Durkheim elaborates on this theory and suggests that extreme inequality of condition undermines the opportunities of segments of society and would itself weaken normative regulation.

                              In other words, society has instilled certain values onto individuals, and because these kids wanted a truck and had no means of attaining it, they break societal norms and values to attain what they would've otherwise never been able to achieve... in this case, a truck to get away from the group home where they lived.

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