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    New Vectus personal rapid transit system designed by Pininfarina can handle 8,100 passengers per hour/per direction in Suncheon Korea. Currently with 20 vehicles, the system handles 1,300 passengers per hour/per direction when 20 more vehicles are added next month. If the system is successful, the City may expand the route into the city of Suncheon.

    Suncheon Significance
    On August 15, 2013 the Suncheon personal rapid transit (PRT) system opened to limited public use with 20 vehicles. We understand that another 20 will be added in the next few months to bring the system up to its designed capability. Each vehicle holds six seated passengers with room for an additional three standees and operates at speeds up to 37 mph serving two stations 2.8 miles apart.

    Just another shuttle?
    The Vectus system only has two stations so is it just another shuttle or is there some real significance to its addition to the stable of available systems? Read on and decide for yourself.

    Destination choices
    An examination of the track layout quickly shows merges and diverges at both stations. Vehicles can clearly leave each station and travel to the other or loop around and return to the station of origin. Furthermore, at the northern station, vehicles leaving the station have the choice of four destinations:- they can loop back to the station, travel to the other station or enter the maintenance facility at one of two different entrances.

    Different features
    The Vectus system has numerous differences which potentially equip it to serve markets the other three may not be well suited to and could also make it less likely to be well equipped to serve other markets the others may better serve. Some of these differences are discussed here. The Suncheon system is captive bogey or, put another way, rail-based. This may make it better suited to high speeds (it runs at up to 37 mph – much faster than the 25 mph maximum of the other systems) but somewhat less flexible. It is noteworthy that the minimum radius used is approximately 70’ despite indications that Vectus can achieve radii as low as about 17’. The system picks up wayside power. This has the potential to give it unlimited range whereas battery-powered systems can only increase range by adding heavier batteries.The vehicle is somewhat larger and holds nine. It can attain a four-second headway, as advertised for the test track, it has a maximum theoretical capacity of 8,100 passengers per hour per direction (pphpd). This far exceeds the maximum theoretical capacities of the Heathrow and Masdar systems which are less than 3,000 pphpd. Furthermore, Vectus claims they could operate even larger vehicles on the same guideway and station infrastructure providing yet higher capacities. Unlike Heathrow and Masdar, which have station bays that are offline to each other, the Suncheon bays are inline, one behind the other. While this reduces station dwell time per vehicle, some believe it could be problematic if a leading vehicle is slow in boarding. Suncheon appears quite well positioned to answer this question.A final difference is that the Suncheon system incorporates a fare collection system, although we understand fare collection will not commence until October, 2013.

    PRT or GRT?
    With only two stations and nine-passenger vehicles (including standees) some would argue this is more of a group rapid transit (GRT) shuttle. It seems to me that it does not matter what we call it. We should look at what it is demonstrating it can do. Then we should consider what kind of capabilities such a system could reasonably be expected to achieve and what types of applications it would be best suited to serving. I can think of a few.

    Suncheon expo reaches goal of 4 million visitors

    In its venue of 1.11 million square meters, the festival offers a wide range of exhibitions in four major districts -- the Arboretum Zone, the Wetland Center Zone, the World Garden Zone, and the Wetland Zone.

    The venue includes 83 types of gardens -- including 11 sites boasting exotic views -- as well as the ECOGEO Greenhouse, the Suncheon Literary Museum and the Suncheon Bay International Wetland Center.

    The event's organizer added that their goal of 4 million visitors was achieved due to their well-planned operation, as well as quality accommodation and transportation services.

    A 4.64-kilometer-long automatic railway that kicked off at the Suncheon Bay Garden Expo in August has also become a major tourist attraction, the organizer said.

    Dubbed the Personal Rapid Transit, the automatic railcar is capable of running at speeds of up to 60 kilometers per hour while carrying six to nine passengers.

    The new railway system, which operates between 9:30 a.m. and 12:30 p.m., has been fully booked every day, the organizer added.

    Suncheon Ecotrans, a local railway company which built PRTs, said it has injected 60 billion won (US$53.5 million) in the project. At 4.6 km of elevated bidirectional track c/w stations, cost is about <$12M/km

    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 18-10-2013, 04:46 AM.
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  • #2
    Ooohhh, look at those slender pylons and guideway. You'd almost not even know it was there.


    • #3
      Look at the markets where it's tested - East Asian countries, where population is far more concentrated. Might be OK for areas like the airport. Otherwise, it's redundant for downtown.
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      • #4
        Still cannot figure out your post. You state that Asian countries have more density but it would not be suitable for downtown Edmonton? How so? BTW, Vectus has a test track in Sweden, Ultra is running at Heathrow and the Masdar is running in the UAE.
        Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 18-10-2013, 09:02 PM.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
          Ooohhh, look at those slender pylons and guideway. You'd almost not even know it was there.
          The guideways are brutal, looks as big as skytrain in Vancover. I don't see how its any different.


          • #6
            It's worse than skytrain because at least the skytrain has decent passenger capacity to make the unsightly mess worthy.

            This PRT moves 1200 people an hour per direction ?

            Ohh ahhhh


            • #7
              They are adding 20 more vehicles and capacity will double to 2,600 pph/direction. It is easy to scale the system up again to 5,200 pph by adding another 40 of the low cost vehicles. The single loop has a capacity of 8,100 pph/direction as the system can handle headways of 3 to 4 seconds. The low cost system is not a line haul system but rather a network system and cities can easily increase the number of stations and expand the network as elevated, under ground or at grade in suitable locations at a fraction of the cost of our streetcar plans with similar capacity. You also have the benefit of on demand sevice with no schedules, 24 hour per day service and a higher average speed than LRT.
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              • #8
                Good luck convincing people to have those running in front of their houses. Any pictures of the stations? (Other than that honking big one in the video).


                • #9
                  Small 2 berth station at grade

                  Medium 4 berth station elevated

                  Medium 4 berth elevated station under construction (Korean design)

                  Large central station and garage

                  See also several Vectus vehicle types and system design details

                  Small ULTra Station
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                  • #10
                    Can't see people lining up to have any of those right in front of their houses.


                    • #11
                      While i like PRT... And think no matter what it is our only option of a future travel system in cities. .. The Group Transit and the Inline stations would killthis main idea for me.. way too many causes for human error and with GRT it eliminates the best aspects of the PRT system that would make it likable for a large variety of people.

                      (A GRT system is ONLY good for one route such as the LRT even then 1/4 of the time is spent unloading and loading.)


                      • #12
                        Found something interesting

                        A real PRT schedule


                        Basically, walk up to the station between 6:30 AM – 10:15 PM and a vehicle will take you to your destination.

                        Here are the instructions on how to read your ETS bus schedule.

                        Hope you have the right schedule for where you are going...
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                        • #13
                          so .... first off... .

                          Now that we have that out of the way...


                          Are you actually comparing PRT to a bus? Just wondering...cause if you are, I'd like to begin to point out some of the other 'minor' differences you've failed to address thus far (outside of how to read a bus schedule...thats really rocket science stuff there)... I'm sure you'll know what they are already... because there is nothing new about PRT since the last few locked threads... The only thing "new" here is the word "new" in the title of the thread.
                          Last edited by Medwards; 23-10-2013, 03:44 PM.
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                          • #14
                            And I found a map of that PRT.

                            Hope you're not going someplace more than a few blocks away from this line. Or travelling on a Sunday. Or during school breaks.


                            • #15
                              Why does prt have to compete with regular transit service? It should be demonstrated how it can compliment and enhance what there is existing today and recognize that neither prt lrt streetcar or private vehicle is the be all end all transportation solution. Admit where it's strengths and weakness are and sell this as part of the solution instead of "prt rules everything else is pathetic" mantra