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  • Originally posted by Hanwell View Post
    I think the cost of LRT is about 80 million per km in Canada is equal to China's cost to build an underground subway (80-200 million per km). I think the lack of density in Edmonton's city really hurt the financial benefit aspect of all the LRT project. The unionized workers really hurt the cost aspect of the LRT project. Also city concentrating all the shelters in downtown make the LRT extremely unpopular among ladies and teens who travel alone due to safety concern.
    it’s less about “union” and more about quality and safety and productivity. I would rather pay $60
    an hour to see a job done right in an hour than pay $20 an hour for 4 hours for job done poorly. quality work from a quality work force doesn’t require union labour per se but it won’t come cheap either way.
    "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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    • With the beginning of the construction of the CPR in the 1880s, Chinese workers were crucial for building the difficult western sections of the railway. Chinese railway workers were brought by ship from both California and China to start building the CPR from the west coast at the same time that European labourers began building the eastern section from the east coast. Over the course of construction and by the end of 1882, of the 9,000 railway workers, 6,500 were Chinese Canadians. They were employed to build the B.C. segment of the railway through the most challenging and dangerous terrain.

      Chinese workers were paid $1.00 a day, and from this $1.00, they had to pay for their food and gear. White workers were paid $1.50 to $2.50 per day and did not have to pay for provisions. As well as being paid less, Chinese workers were given the most dangerous tasks, such as handling the explosive nitroglycerin used to break up solid rock. Due to the harsh conditions they faced, hundreds of Chinese Canadians working on the railway died from accidents, winter cold, illness and malnutrition.
      https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/g...ng-the-railway

      One aspect that comparison seekers completely miss, is the change in productivity that has been made in the past 140 years

      Shovel then




      Shovel now...



      One person can move a bridge



      and a lot of standing around....


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      • Originally posted by kcantor View Post
        it’s less about “union” and more about quality and safety and productivity. I would rather pay $60
        an hour to see a job done right in an hour than pay $20 an hour for 4 hours for job done poorly. quality work from a quality work force doesn’t require union labour per se but it won’t come cheap either way.
        Maybe in theory but can you explain why we paid so much and got the Thales cluster f##k? How about Ottawa's debacle?
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        • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

          Maybe in theory but can you explain why we paid so much and got the Thales cluster f##k? How about Ottawa's debacle?
          maybe they should have hired union management?

          because it’s at the management level, not the field level, that the real cluster f##k’s happen.
          "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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          • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

            Maybe in theory but can you explain why we paid so much and got the Thales cluster f##k? How about Ottawa's debacle?
            Thales said they could do it. They were wrong, either through not understanding the project or incompetence. Neither situation involved union labour.

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            • Are these systems not designed and managed by professional engineers under APEGA?
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              • Yes, and a whole bunch of other oversight bodies, regulators, codes, standards, associations and so on.

                Originally posted by stilicho
                That is, projects such as the McLaren and the CNIB were originally "pump and dump" condominiums and now they're practically all rental units.
                I can't comment on CNIB, but The Maclaren was never a condo project. The way most of these projects are financed and put together, it can be very difficult to switch from one to the other. Maybe very, very early (pre-2015) they were leaning towards condos, but once the project proceeded to design and permitting it was always purpose built rental with the intent to sell to a pension fund or other institutional investor. No different than the Hendrix before it. EDC does have other parcels that could go condo, though.

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                • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                  Are these systems not designed and managed by professional engineers under APEGA?
                  what does the fact they were designed by engineers have to do whether they were managed by engineers or whether they were union or non union jobs in the field?

                  and what does apega’s certification of design competency have to do with either project management expertise or union vs non union performance?
                  "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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