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  • Gotta give credit where credit is due.

    Pretty amazing that they created a system in a week that did not crash or fry the server that was able to process a million application.

    Too bad the Harper era Phoenix Pay system is so bad that it still does not work

    Nearly 1 million Canadians out of work due to COVID-19 have applied for federal aid:

    The program opened to online applications on Monday for those who have birthdays in January, February and March.

    In the first day alone, the CERB received 967,000 applications.
    https://www.stalberttoday.ca/coronav...an-too-2235792







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    • https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52192190

      A perfect example of how absolutely terrible the supply management system for dairy is for anyone but dairy farmers. Instead of letting prices drop, they're dumping perfectly good milk literally down the drain in order to support prices. God forbid prices for consumers drop, that would be just terrible. And why would it even be considered to give this product to food banks and others in need? That might impact demand!

      Cartels are bad. Why do we continue to allow them?
      Last edited by Marcel Petrin; 08-04-2020, 08:23 AM.

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      • It's happening everywhere because the dairies don't have room for it and you can'y just stop milking cows. Demand is way off because a number of places that use mil like restaurants and schools are closed.

        It has nothing to do with supply mnagement and everything to do with the cows that keep producing and the major drop in demand.

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        • The glut could still enter the market, depress the prices & end up going down the drains of consumers. Disposing of it as early in the supply chain as possible is wholesale market manipulation for the benefit of producers, a hallmark of cartels.
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          • Originally posted by kkozoriz
            It has nothing to do with supply mnagement and everything to do with the cows that keep producing and the major drop in demand.
            If it has nothing to do with supply management and conscious decisions by the dairy cartel, what's preventing them from offering it for free or significantly discounted to food banks and social agencies? Riddle me that.

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            • Originally posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

              If it has nothing to do with supply management and conscious decisions by the dairy cartel, what's preventing them from offering it for free or significantly discounted to food banks and social agencies? Riddle me that.
              FWIW, they donated as much milk just last week as they typically do in a whole year:

              The amount of surplus milk that had to be dumped was offset somewhat because some processing companies that are seeing stronger demand for their products than others agreed to buy larger quantities of raw milk and increase production, he said.

              As well, dairy producers donated a large quantity of raw milk this week — three million litres — for processing into dairy products given to food banks, Dumontier said. That’s three times the amount they normally donate in an entire year, he said. Processing plants donate as well, by transforming the raw milk into dairy products for free, he added.
              https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...-to-dump-milk/

              That being said, that amounts to an annual donation of around 0.01%, which is literally a drop in the bucket.
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              • Originally posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

                If it has nothing to do with supply management and conscious decisions by the dairy cartel, what's preventing them from offering it for free or significantly discounted to food banks and social agencies? Riddle me that.
                maybe the costs of trucking and pasteurizing and packaging and shipping and distributing and refrigerating?

                and it’s not just happening in supply management canada. as the article pointed out it’s also happening in the us which is non supply management.
                "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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                • I wonder what would be the response if they kept the gasoline prices at 80 cents a litre and they were dumping excess production?
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                  • Maybe that's what Kenney should do. Paty the oil companies to produce as much as they can and then just set fire to it. A double win for the UCP since they'd be giving money to O&G and giving a middle finger to the environment at the same time. Win win!

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                    • Originally posted by noodle
                      FWIW, they donated as much milk just last week as they typically do in a whole year:
                      Thanks for that.

                      Originally posted by kcantor
                      maybe the costs of trucking and pasteurizing and packaging and shipping and distributing and refrigerating?
                      I did say "or significantly discounted". No question that it's not a simple thing logistically.

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                      • All that milk being dumped and the price in the stores is the same as always so why should consumers buy more?

                        What if they could make something else with milk like cheese or butter rather than dumping it.

                        I went to the store 2 days ago and cheese was the same price and butter was $5.99 for a pound.

                        The argument that the restaurants and schools are closed, reducing demand is a farce. People and children still need to eat but why buy milk and dairy products when alternatives are less expensive.


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                        • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                          why buy milk and dairy products when alternatives are less expensive.
                          I've switched to about 80% plant 'milk', up from ~50% since the whole world went cockeyed. Can't beat shelf-stable tetrapacks for short-term stockpiling & since that's what it always comes in, there's no difference to the taste like there is with UHT milk.

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                          • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                            I wonder what would be the response if they kept the gasoline prices at 80 cents a litre and they were dumping excess production?
                            What a ridiculous analogy.

                            Fluid milk is a perishable commodity, and even dairy products like cheese and yogurt have a limited shelf life before they need to be discarded. The amount of fluid milk than can be turned into dairy products is also limited by processing capacity. Very different than gasoline which can be safely stored for many months, or stored for years in the case of crude oil.

                            Moreover, dairy cows have to be milked two or three times per day in order to remain healthy, unlike oil wells where production can be shut in depending on market conditions.

                            While the system has debatable failings, supply management has done a very good job of matching supply to consumer demand over many decades at stable prices. To use the disruptions caused by the COVID-19 crisis to launch into an attack on supply management is ridiculous.



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                            • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
                              Moreover, dairy cows have to be milked two or three times per day in order to remain healthy, unlike oil wells where production can be shut in depending on market conditions.
                              Not the case for much of the stuff in Ft Mac though, hence the forecast that our oil might dip down to negative price once all the storage is full & these operations have no choice to produce. It's already in functionally worthless territory.

                              The true price is, in fact, even lower than that, because that price includes in part the cost of lighter oil that oilsands crude is blended with in order to get it to move along a pipeline. If that part of the mix is stripped out, it's not a stretch to suggest that the bitumen itself is functionally worthless.
                              https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/oil...nday-1.5514653
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                              • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post

                                What a ridiculous analogy.

                                Fluid milk is a perishable commodity, and even dairy products like cheese and yogurt have a limited shelf life before they need to be discarded. The amount of fluid milk than can be turned into dairy products is also limited by processing capacity. Very different than gasoline which can be safely stored for many months, or stored for years in the case of crude oil.

                                Moreover, dairy cows have to be milked two or three times per day in order to remain healthy, unlike oil wells where production can be shut in depending on market conditions.

                                While the system has debatable failings, supply management has done a very good job of matching supply to consumer demand over many decades at stable prices. To use the disruptions caused by the COVID-19 crisis to launch into an attack on supply management is ridiculous.


                                Contrary to your belief, cheese and butter can be stored for extended periods and cheese aging can take months or even years. Salted butter can be professionally stored for as long as 12-24 months. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...22030208713870 BTW, in Europe, the over supply of butter is regularly stored up to 2 years.

                                Even at that, I agree that dairy products do have a limited shelf life but it is still no reason not to lower prices to increase demand. You know, the old supply and demand balance. Apples or other perishable products are far cheaper in season than when out of season, why not lower dairy prices or do they have a special position far above other perishable commodities?

                                If there are too many dairy cows, I will remind you that BBQ season is approaching. LOL
                                Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 08-04-2020, 02:10 PM.
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