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  • Originally posted by Stoneman View Post

    They may have title, but they must abide by the constitution of the country, and that includes the governments right to cross through those lands to deliver goods.
    i think you and noodle are talking at cross purposes here - there is a difference between sovereign title and property title which is subject to sovereign title. within those two forms of title there are further rankings and priority (i.e. provincial vs federal sovereignty or leasehold vs freehold property title).
    "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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    • https://calgarysun.com/news/canada/c...1-b1bf3ee8d254

      This is rich. John Horgan, the mn who attempted to block the oil pipeline through his province, but has been attempting to get his own gas pipeline through, is being throttled by likely the same protestors for both projects. They've come to his own door and blocked his driveway in a personal attack. Poor John apparently swore at them in a fury. Dripping with irony and karma. How does it feel, Johnny?

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      • Originally posted by Stoneman View Post
        https://calgarysun.com/news/canada/c...1-b1bf3ee8d254

        This is rich. John Horgan, the mn who attempted to block the oil pipeline through his province, but has been attempting to get his own gas pipeline through, is being throttled by likely the same protestors for both projects. They've come to his own door and blocked his driveway in a personal attack. Poor John apparently swore at them in a fury. Dripping with irony and karma. How does it feel, Johnny?
        I can't stand Horgan, but coming to his door, scaring his family? Wrong wrong on so many levels.
        Animals are my passion.

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        • Originally posted by H.L. View Post

          I can't stand Horgan, but coming to his door, scaring his family? Wrong wrong on so many levels.
          isn't it also wrong wrong on so many levels to disrupt his family's commute on their way to day care or school or to disrupt his workplace and scare his coworkers or to disrupt our supply chains and scare everyone who relies on them for food or medicine or heat? at the end of the day, they are all meant to instill fear by scaring others to secure their objectives. it's like trying to differentiate between drone strikes or sniper fire or hand to hand combat... at the end of the day dead is dead and scared is scared and in both cases the simple act of maintaining distance does not minimize it, it only serves to hide and to perpetuate it.
          "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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          • Originally posted by kcantor View Post

            isn't it also wrong wrong on so many levels to disrupt his family's commute on their way to day care or school or to disrupt his workplace and scare his coworkers or to disrupt our supply chains and scare everyone who relies on them for food or medicine or heat? at the end of the day, they are all meant to instill fear by scaring others to secure their objectives. it's like trying to differentiate between drone strikes or sniper fire or hand to hand combat... at the end of the day dead is dead and scared is scared and in both cases the simple act of maintaining distance does not minimize it, it only serves to hide and to perpetuate it.
            Homes are off limits, as are children. There's no big debate needed i posted my thoughts.
            Animals are my passion.

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            • Originally posted by H.L. View Post

              Homes are off limits, as are children. There's no big debate needed i posted my thoughts.
              sorry - i wasn't meaning to debate or even to disagree with your thoughts. i wasn't trying to diminish your thoughts either, just to expand on them.
              "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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              • There have been a few governments that have failed to act meaningfully since the Delgamuukw decision. So to pin it on one specific government is unfair. Funny, how just 3 days of dialogue can potentially put the process back in the right direction...too bad it took a national crisis.

                http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politi...cid=spartanntp

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                • meanwhile cbc reports under the headline reading "Wet'suwet'en chiefs, ministers reach proposed agreement in pipeline dispute" that "they have reached a proposed arrangement in discussing a pipeline dispute".

                  "they have reached a proposed arrangement in discussing a pipeline dispute"??? what does that even mean? have they actually "reached an agreement regarding the pipeline dispute" or have they agreed on a "proposed arrangement to discuss the pipeline dispute"? and if the latter, isn't that simply a continuation of the same discussions that have been taking place for the last 4 days?
                  "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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                  • Originally posted by kcantor View Post

                    isn't it also wrong wrong on so many levels to disrupt his family's commute on their way to day care or school or to disrupt his workplace and scare his coworkers or to disrupt our supply chains and scare everyone who relies on them for food or medicine or heat? at the end of the day, they are all meant to instill fear by scaring others to secure their objectives. it's like trying to differentiate between drone strikes or sniper fire or hand to hand combat... at the end of the day dead is dead and scared is scared and in both cases the simple act of maintaining distance does not minimize it, it only serves to hide and to perpetuate it.
                    Just like those uppity women who demanded the vote and protested. The got arrested. They got fined. They got beaten.

                    And Edmonton has the NERVE to name parks after the Famous Five. Terrorists, all of them.

                    Right? Right??

                    And those colonists who objected to the Governors ignoring the will of the legislatures. How DARE they rise up!


                    ​​​​​​When the British established colonies in what is now Canada, they brought with them their own form of governance, which included elected assemblies (also known as legislatures or parliaments). It would be a mistake to call these colonies democratic, however, partly because these elected assemblies had very little power.

                    Real control lay in the hands of governors appointed by the British government in London – and those governors could (and often did) ignore any law the legislatures tried to pass.

                    Many voters began to resent the power of the governors and wanted to reform the political system so that power rested in the legislatures. In 1837 and 1838, things got so bad that some reformers rebelled against the British government. The British army crushed those rebellions, burning villages, executing leaders and deporting those who had participated.

                    After the rebellions, reformers kept trying to push for change using peaceful methods, and eventually achieved their goal. In 1848, Nova Scotia won “responsible government” – a government where elected representatives held most of the power. The other colonies followed suit soon after.

                    https://humanrights.ca/story/the-cha...vote-in-canada
                    People should just shut up and do what they're told! </Snark>

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                    • Originally posted by kcantor View Post
                      meanwhile cbc reports under the headline reading "Wet'suwet'en chiefs, ministers reach proposed agreement in pipeline dispute" that "they have reached a proposed arrangement in discussing a pipeline dispute".

                      "they have reached a proposed arrangement in discussing a pipeline dispute"??? what does that even mean? have they actually "reached an agreement regarding the pipeline dispute" or have they agreed on a "proposed arrangement to discuss the pipeline dispute"? and if the latter, isn't that simply a continuation of the same discussions that have been taking place for the last 4 days?
                      Exactly, nothing is resolved. In two weeks we might know something, and they won't ask the others supporting them, with blockades, to stand aside. . Sheesh.
                      Animals are my passion.

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                      • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post

                        Just like those uppity women who demanded the vote and protested. The got arrested. They got fined. They got beaten.

                        And Edmonton has the NERVE to name parks after the Famous Five. Terrorists, all of them.

                        Right? Right??

                        And those colonists who objected to the Governors ignoring the will of the legislatures. How DARE they rise up!




                        People should just shut up and do what they're told! </Snark>
                        Do you actually have a RELEVANT point? Comparing people who block national supply lines and throw burning pallets of wood at trains attempting to derail them, to 5 women who protested over human rights.

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                        • It was a hell of a lot more than 500 women. They were just the best known.

                          Protests are intended to disrupt society. Look at the civil rights marches in the US. People were beaten, sometimes to death because of that. But you're right, protester should just find a quiet spot away from the public eye and hold their demonstrations there. That way, nobody has to even think about them.

                          BTW - What about the Yellow Vest protesters? Oh right, they're white conservatives so the police were helping them.

                          Truck convoy expected to cause traffic backups on Anthony Henday Drive Tuesday
                          Posted January 21, 2019 9:19 pm

                          The convoy is expected to leave Lamont and head north onto the Henday from Yellowhead Trail, Graham said, making a full loop around the Edmonton ring road. Most of the vehicles will finish the convoy by exiting at Highway 21, Graham said, adding some may choose to leave earlier.

                          “We will be going 60 kilometres an hour on the Henday, although we will be occupying the fast lane,” Graham said Monday afternoon.

                          The RCMP and the Edmonton police are going to help us enter the Henday and exit the Henday. We will be travelling in the furthest left lane so that we can allow for traffic to exit and enter the Henday to not impede traffic too, too badly.”

                          https://globalnews.ca/news/4872888/a...enday-traffic/

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                          • Yeah, protests never accomplished anything.

                            Paula Simons: Suffrage centennial a reminder of how far we've come

                            In 1913, a group of about 150 women, who called themselves the Edmonton Political Equality League, marched on Alberta’s legislature to petition Liberal Premier Arthur Sifton for the right to vote.

                            Sifton, to put it mildly, sniffed at the suggestion.

                            “Did you ladies wash up your luncheon dishes before you came down here to ask me for the vote?” he asked them. “If you haven’t, you’d better go home because you’re not going to get any votes from me.”

                            A year later, a group of men and women, led by suffrage spokeswoman Nellie McClung, made a similar appearance at Manitoba legislature. Manitoba Premier Rodmond Roblin was equally dismissive, telling the protesters women’s suffrage would break up the home and “throw the children into the arms of servant girls.”

                            “The mother that is worthy of the name and of the good affection of a good man has a hundredfold more influence in shaping public opinion around her dinner table than she would have in the marketplace, hurling her eloquent phrases at the multitude,” he huffed.

                            https://edmontonjournal.com/news/ins...-far-weve-come
                            And it wasn't until 1960 that Treaty Natives were able to vote without giving up their treaty status.

                            But protests shouldn't be public or the least bit disruptive.

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                            • Originally posted by Stoneman View Post

                              Do you actually have a RELEVANT point? Comparing people who block national supply lines and throw burning pallets of wood at trains attempting to derail them, to 5 women who protested over human rights.
                              Kkk goes from the sublime to the ridiculous.
                              Animals are my passion.

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                              • I have reported all those people to the Finance Department to stop payment of relief cheques to anyone who previously complained about Trudeau for spending too much money.

                                You didn't really want those cheques anyway because you stand by your principles right?
                                Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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