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  • Originally posted by Snail View Post
    I think Freeland move is significant. To me it has all the hallmarks of a succession plan.

    Trudeau is a damaged brand now. His flamboyant demeanour means new mishaps or damming revelations from past has a decent chance of reoccurrence. Freeland has now a good international politics resume under her belt. In the new post she will learn the ropes of domestic politics at the highest level too. If she succeeds in managing relationships of Ottawa with Alberta and Saskatchewan, she would naturally be the best Liberal candidate, come next federal election. If she doesn’t deliver, however, it will be an interesting situation but I put more than 50% probability, that even then, Liberals will throw Trudeau under the bus and go with Freeland.
    I think dealing with some of the Premiers, could actually be more difficult than Trump and the US. Trump, really doesn't much care who runs Canada and has no significant personal animosity towards or ambition to be PM. Some Premiers I think do and making relations between the Feds and Provinces worse, might bolster their chances to advance their political careers. Of course, if it becomes mostly a one way shouting match, that plan might not work very well, so diplomacy might be the skill Freeland has developed that might come in the most useful here.

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    • An alternative view: https://www.ft.com/content/7f7564da-...2-34c8d9dc6d84

      ...Some analysts saw Ms Freeland’s appointment as a strategy by Mr Trudeau to contain a politician widely seen as one of his biggest rivals and a likely successor to the party leadership.

      Former British Columbia premier Christy Clark told Canadian radio Ms Freeland would be very good at the job, but “[Mr Trudeau] has given her probably the worst job in government right now. When you give someone a terrible job and you make them your deputy, it usually means you fear them as a potential opponent”....

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      • Quebec running out of propane as CN strike chokes off supply

        https://business.financialpost.com/transportation/rail/quebec-running-out-of-propane-as-cn-strike-chokes-off-supply


        How ironic. Bet if there were more energy pipelines to Quebec, they wouldn't have to depend on railway delivery and getting shafted during a strike.

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        • Even if there were a pipeline, Kenney would just turn off the taps until there was a Conservative government.

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          • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
            Even if there were a pipeline, Kenney would just turn off the taps until there was a Conservative government.

            Silly comment. I doubt he gives a crap who is in power regarding pipelines, as long as a pipeline finally gets approved.

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            • Legault is on record as supporting a natural gas pipeline to Saguenay. In order to create a petrochemical cluster and export LNG. The hypocrisy is astounding, really.

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              • If Legault wants the LNG pipeline to come to his province, he needs to accomodate on the oil pipeline. Tit for tat.

                This is the premier from the same province that suffered the horrific Lac-Megantic rail car explosion in 2013 that killed 47 people, destroyed 1/2 of the downtown buildings, costing hundreds of millions of dollars. Environmental concerns? We'll take some of your propane, but screw you and your dirty oil passing through our province.

                Hypocrisy indeed.
                Last edited by Stoneman; 22-11-2019, 04:42 PM.

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                • What are the cleanup costs of an LNG "spill" versus one for bitumen? How long does natural gas hang around in the environment after a spill? Which produces less carbon emissions?

                  Yeah, they're practically indistinguishable.

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                  • Conservatives - "Government shouldn't be involved in business!"

                    Also Conservatives "The government must intervene!"

                    CN Rail and union reach tentative deal, work set to resume
                    Normal operations at CN to resume at 6 a.m. local time Wednesday

                    https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/tea...deal-1.5373492

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                    • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
                      What are the cleanup costs of an LNG "spill" versus one for bitumen? How long does natural gas hang around in the environment after a spill? Which produces less carbon emissions?

                      Yeah, they're practically indistinguishable.
                      Since when did spills become the only environmental impact of energy infrastructure projects? It's no different than BC's hypocrisy about doing everything it can to stop Transmountain while also throwing billions at LNG terminals. The biggest impacts of these projects have far more to do with emissions, maritime traffic, encouraging further energy development and so on than they do spills. BC and Quebec's leader are both talking out of both sides of their mouths when they're vehemently opposed to oil pipelines while also trying to kickstart LNG terminals.

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                      • Originally posted by Snail View Post
                        An alternative view: https://www.ft.com/content/7f7564da-...2-34c8d9dc6d84

                        ...Some analysts saw Ms Freeland’s appointment as a strategy by Mr Trudeau to contain a politician widely seen as one of his biggest rivals and a likely successor to the party leadership.

                        Former British Columbia premier Christy Clark told Canadian radio Ms Freeland would be very good at the job, but “[Mr Trudeau] has given her probably the worst job in government right now. When you give someone a terrible job and you make them your deputy, it usually means you fear them as a potential opponent”....
                        Premier Clark goes back to her talk show roots, or maybe she is being candid about her own style of governing that didn't work out so well for her in the end. Just maybe you might give someone a challenging job because you recognize their skills and have confidence in their abilities. Do you think that could be possible?

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                        • Looks like the final score is Trudeau/Quebec 1, Canada/Justice 0
                          SNC-Lavalin Construction Inc., agreed to plead guilty to a single charge of fraud. All charges against the parent firm and its international marketing arm, SNC-Lavalin International Inc., have been withdrawn, the company said.

                          As part of the settlement, the unit will pay a $213.5-million fine over five years, and will be subject to a three-year probation
                          https://www.enr.com/articles/48391-s...fine-probation

                          A $213.5 million fine over 5 years on a $3.8 billion / year company is 1.1% of their revenue, essentially petty cash

                          Thanks Justin for the "justice"

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                          • Much like Nexen Energy getting fined $450,000 for the deaths of two workers in 2016. $330 million.year company (0.136%) $8 billion total equity.

                            But, I guess fraud is much worse than the deaths of workers now, isn't it? Let's give them millions in tax breaks instead. That way, the nearly half a million dollars doesn't impact the bottom line at all.


                            The company formerly known as Nexen Energy has been fined $450,000 after pleading guilty to charges in the deaths of two oilsands workers in northern Alberta.

                            The two men died from an explosion at the Long Lake facility near Anzac on Jan. 15, 2016.

                            Drew Foster, 52, of Niagara Falls, Ont., was pronounced dead at the scene and David Williams, 30, of Scotchtown, N.S., later died in hospital.

                            Nexen Energy was charged in 2017 with workplace offences under Alberta’s Occupational Health and Safety Act.

                            https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...2-workers.html

                            Mother 'incensed' with judicial system after Nexen sentencing in son's death

                            ​​​​​​When Claire Poulton learned Nexen Energy had been fined $450,000 in the death of two employees — including her son — in a 2016 explosion, she was "incensed."

                            The fine is "peanuts" for the Calgary-based company, now called CNOOC Petroleum North America, Poulton said.

                            "That's not a deterrent for a multi-million dollar company," she said.

                            "Was my son's life really only worth $225,000?

                            "I would have liked to see them pay through the nose."

                            https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...exen-1.5106895
                            But it's an oil company and everyone knows that you have to treat them with kids gloves.

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                            • the two stories are completely un-related.

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                              • I'm not sure what Nexen has to do with Justin, however just ask Wilson-Raybould or Philpott if Justin cares about SNC Lavalin

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