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  • ^ Exactly, the two non-starters were only what amounted to clutter. Why do these guys get airtime?
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    • Originally posted by Dave View Post
      Originally posted by H.L. View Post
      I don't know of anyone, that thought this format was good. We certainly didn't heed the bloc, or Bernier there.
      The talk over each other fest wasn't really either that entertaining or educational. One part of the problem was definitely the size - six leaders, but really the debate needed more firm rules and not to be a free for all that it descended into. The size just made it worse and more unmanageable.

      First rule, shut off the mikes of everyone else while one person is speaking. Second rule, if the speaker criticizes another leader or party, the other leader gets an immediate rebuttal for say 30 seconds.

      It probably wouldn't solve all the problems, but you could at least hear them clearly and perhaps the drive by smears would be reduced somewhat by knowing their opponent would get an opportunity to respond.
      But they had so little time to answer the questions, let alone respond to the others. If they had one moderator that could cut off their microphones, and less of them taking part. Bernier and the bloc weren't going to be our next PM, all it did was muddy the waters ( which some people, thought was the idea)
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      • I didn't watch the debate, I don't want to hear a few minutes of sound bites with all the participants interrupting each other.
        I'd rather read each party's platform.

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        • Nobody stands out. Wish there was a statesman type to vote for. With CEOs being paid millions I think the private sector is taking the best minds and we’re stuck with these duds. lol
          Just enjoying another day in paradise.

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          • Originally posted by Dave View Post
            Originally posted by H.L. View Post
            I don't know of anyone, that thought this format was good. We certainly didn't heed the bloc, or Bernier there.
            The talk over each other fest wasn't really either that entertaining or educational. One part of the problem was definitely the size - six leaders, but really the debate needed more firm rules and not to be a free for all that it descended into. The size just made it worse and more unmanageable.

            First rule, shut off the mikes of everyone else while one person is speaking. Second rule, if the speaker criticizes another leader or party, the other leader gets an immediate rebuttal for say 30 seconds.

            It probably wouldn't solve all the problems, but you could at least hear them clearly and perhaps the drive by smears would be reduced somewhat by knowing their opponent would get an opportunity to respond.

            Other things that bothered me is we once again we have endured a Quebec first Prime Minister, we have a Quebec located National debate, we have a Prime Minister who caters to Quebec interests specifically and we have a Quebec only party participating in a National debate. That's a lot of Quebec leaning going on in the midst of an LNC Lavelin "job preserving" term in office.

            We also had a French Language debate prior to the English Language debate.

            Trudeau has attended only 2 National debates both in friendly confines that suited him. He did this specifically. Having the boldness to show up in a language debate he is most comfortable in, and in a Quebec hosted debate. You think he'd show up in a Western Canada hosted National debate?

            The other thing is that the format of including 3 essentially non entity parties was seemingly intended to mute the whole affair, spread it out, and minimize the body punches of the two main leaders. By doing so the debate was formatted to maintain the Trudeau status quo by giving Scheer less time and opportunity to score punches. The presence of May, Blanchet essentially only being Conservative hating lackies that rebalanced the tone and stance of the debate and took the focus away from Trudeau's record in office.

            May was just an embarrassment. Worse than even Blanchet.

            Finally, the Cons war room is really bad right now. They need to be feeding Scheer with better ammunitition and tactical reply. 3 times Trudeau pulled the Scheer is just like Harper, Bernier, Ford card which is interesting in itself that he had to go to the extent of not attacking Scheer personally but going to tertiary Con levels to try to flame Scheer. Scheers response ought to have been that he doesn't have to cite other liberals, but only look at Trudeaus own actions in leadership. TRudeau provided an opportunity there and it wasn't jumped on. Many more like that.

            One of the reasons the Liberals are getting away with an improbably poor term in office is that the Cons have been so bad at holding the Liberals feet over the fire. The Cons have been really ineffective and overall deserve to lose the election due to it. Trudeau has self destructed so many times, and so severely, that a second term in office should be an impossibility. Yet we have another likely majority liberal govt.
            Last edited by Replacement; 09-10-2019, 04:00 AM.
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            • Originally posted by Drumbones View Post
              Nobody stands out. Wish there was a statesman type to vote for. With CEOs being paid millions I think the private sector is taking the best minds and we’re stuck with these duds. lol
              If they are staying in the private sector because they make great wages, then essentially by definition - they are no statesmen.

              I’d say Singh stands out as intelligent, socially reasonable, heart in the right place, seemingly very authentic, etc.

              It’s just too bad that his NDP is so damned dogmatic like the Conservatives. Same old story with the NDP, if any of them had started and run a fully private sector business and taken all the associated risks, they’d have a different view of economic and fiscal issues. (Both the Union/Trade-class in the NDP and the Management/Professional-class of the Conservatives are cut from the same cloth and it’s not the entrepreneurial or business owner cloth.)

              There’s the explorers, discoverers, peacemakers, pioneers and then there’s the colonists, farmers, settlers and squatters.

              The inventor, the prospector, the creator vs the producer, the extractor, the miner, the depleter.
              Last edited by KC; 09-10-2019, 04:14 AM.

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              • "if any of them had started and run a fully private sector business and taken all the associated risks, they’d have a different view of economic and fiscal issues."

                We could say this about all the current choices.

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                • Originally posted by BalancedOP View Post
                  "if any of them had started and run a fully private sector business and taken all the associated risks, they’d have a different view of economic and fiscal issues."

                  We could say this about all the current choices.
                  Yes! Little in the way of well balanced experience.

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                  • Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                    Other things that bothered me is we once again we have endured a Quebec first Prime Minister, we have a Quebec located National debate, we have a Prime Minister who caters to Quebec interests specifically and we have a Quebec only party participating in a National debate. That's a lot of Quebec leaning going on in the midst of an LNC Lavelin "job preserving" term in office.

                    We also had a French Language debate prior to the English Language debate.

                    Trudeau has attended only 2 National debates both in friendly confines that suited him. He did this specifically. Having the boldness to show up in a language debate he is most comfortable in, and in a Quebec hosted debate. You think he'd show up in a Western Canada hosted National debate?

                    ...
                    Not sure what you're going on about here. Trudeau is viewed very much as an outsider in Quebec. He's much more comfortable speaking in English than in French.

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                    • Originally posted by howie View Post
                      ^ Exactly, the two non-starters were only what amounted to clutter. Why do these guys get airtime?
                      Because the precedent was set when the Reform Party was allowed into the debates in the 90s. Imagine the howls of outrage from Alberta if they had been blocked from attending.

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                      • The Reform Party was not a one province party.

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                        • It wasn't national either. And the Bloc got more votes than Reform did.

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                          • Grit candidate apologizes for defending Trudeau blackface pics

                            https://edmontonsun.com/news/nationa...8-3ebc008fb310

                            Talk about a quick flip-flop, this one from liberal candidate Judy Sgro.

                            From this at the end of September....
                            “Those in the black community have told me how much more love they have for the prime minister, that he wanted to have a black face, he took great pride in that too.“They (the black community) are very supportive and they are actually looking for finding more ways that they can show how much they support and love the prime minister.”

                            To this at the end of the first week in October...
                            “The comments I made on GBKM FM were insensitive. I should have known better, and I apologize,”
                            “The history of blackface is deeply racist and it is nothing other than discriminatory. This issue has sparked an important conversation in our country and needs to be treated with great seriousness and sensitivity.”


                            ...in the span of little more than a week.

                            Amazing how some politicians can completely change their opinion in such a short period of time. With a little help from the public, of course. So incredibly sincere, lmaf.
                            Last edited by Stoneman; 09-10-2019, 12:49 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
                              It wasn't national either. And the Bloc got more votes than Reform did.
                              All from one province. Does your head hurt when you have difficulty comprehending one rational point?

                              Repeat that the BQ are a one province party, deriving ALL their seats from that one province.


                              The Reform party ran candidates in several provinces.
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                              • Okotoks rancher Eddie Maurice files counterclaim against intruder he shot on his property

                                https://edmontonsun.com/news/crime/okotoks-rancher-eddie-maurice-files-counterclaim-against-intruder-he-shot-on-his-property/wcm/e4c7a850-66c2-4b12-9116-0c423f9d2117

                                Hopefully the courts do the right thing on this, after the Maurice family has already suffered so much. What a wacked out politically correct society we live in. Just about time for JTurd to step in and offer some compensation to the perpetrator.

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