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  • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Ted Danson at Whoopi Goldberg roast



    Why Whoopi Goldberg Wasn't Offended by Ted Danson's Blackface Routine in the Slightest
    https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertain...lightest.html/
    not the same, not even slightly...

    ted danson's roast was a parody - a repudiation - of the very acts and actions trudeau willingly engaged in and enjoyed engaging in 8 years later. that roast - that extremely public repudiation - took place in 1993!

    you'd think that would be more than enough time for a drama teacher to become aware of issues even those in his field were regularly bringing to the forefront. it doesn't say much if he didn't understand and it doesn't say much - and probably less - if he did understand but just didn't care.
    Last edited by kcantor; 19-09-2019, 11:32 AM.
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    • Headlines around the world ,wow. Poster boy, fails.
      JWR looked upset, I knew she would be.
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      • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
        Ok, we get it. You lead a sheltered life and read Gandhi as a toddler and Plato by the time you began kindergarten.

        I guess you are just bitter that other kids grew up not being perfectly politically correct and had fun throwing snowballs, riding bikes without helmets and skipping school.

        Yes Replacement, you lead a sheltered life. So sorry for you that now you are perplexed why nobody thinks the way you do.
        Had no shortage of throwing footballs, playing hockey, other sports and I was out all day exploring, hiking, going on expeditions to far reaches beyond city limit with lunch bag provisions on bicycles. We brought maps, knew where we were, and I had a keen sense of direction and understood how the sun at this latitude reveals direction.

        Not bitter about it, just that we're not foolish, and those that I hung around with were not foolish and attempting to drown ourselves in rivers either. We had tons of fun, without putting ourselves at needless risk or doing activities that would have been uncomfortable or even harmful to others.

        I get though that you were so foolish that you put not only yourself at risk but your friends in the very activities that you selected. Myself, and the friends I had showed a bit more responsibility. In my lexicon a better friend advises against extremely dangerous activity but as we've seen ymmv. You can bash away at that I guess attaching strawman critiques to it.

        Be sure to add suggestions of bubble wrapped kids as is your rebutting forte.
        Last edited by Replacement; 19-09-2019, 11:46 AM.
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        • Originally posted by kcantor View Post
          Originally posted by KC View Post
          “The video was shot in the early 1990s, however, it’s not clear where it takes place.”

          Like a lot of what is broadly seen today as reprehensible behaviour back in the 1970s, 80s, 90s, I believe this type of character playing was far more common or acceptable in the early 1990s. He was also younger then. So I think dredging up this past maybe should be tempered with the realities of the day.
          how to deal with it today - or not, as the case may be - by us and by him is up to us and up to him. but i remember the 1970's, 80's and 90's and it was neither common nor acceptable in the early 1990's. and it clearly should have been unacceptable in a teaching and educational role even if that position was also secured on name recognition and family connections. from creston to here to india to the "i'm ****** off at myself and there is no higher punishment so move along nothing to see here non apology" and everything in between, there's a pattern and a consistency here that should be deeply troubling.
          Yeah, it wasn’t a issue I was very aware of if at all back then. There’s a whole lot of issues I wasn’t aware of concerning acting/actors that go back decades. (Typecasting of and barriers to most minorities, keeping specific populations like Jewish followers out of movies as far back as say the 1930s, typecasting and age discrimination against women...)

          I recall the weirdness of the media flurry about gay rights, gay marriage rights, Ellen DeGeneres revealing her sexual orientation and things like that. Then also the visible minority racism issues of the 1980s and 90s.



          This wasn’t very long ago:

          Ellen DeGeneres’s Groundbreaking Coming Out: 20 Years Later

          https://www.vanityfair.com/style/201...res-coming-out
          Last edited by KC; 19-09-2019, 12:15 PM.

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          • As opposed to his first apology, the one today was definitely more fulsome. Instead of making it about himself, he took responsibility for his actions and acknowledged the hurt they caused to many Canadians who face racism and discrimination.

            This has a good chance of blowing over if there are no more revelations. I understand not telling anyone about serious past indiscretions (perhaps not even your spouse) because of shame and embarrassment if Trudeau is being truthful on this point.

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            • Originally posted by Replacement View Post
              Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
              Trudeau calls it racism.

              I see it as a grey area. If you dress up for a costume ball, as an actor for theater or for Halloween with no intent to mock or belittle others, I see no harm.

              If the intent was to harm and mock another group, then it is not right.

              There are pictures in our family photo album of me with an Indian costume made from paper bags. All the kids wore them including my best friend at the time who was half indigenous . It was a class project as we learned about Canadian history. It was when I was 8 years old and in grade two.

              Would you call that racist?

              Have you ever worn a costume that someone else may find racist today?
              I came to the thread pretty much knowing this would be your take and that you had done something similar in your childhood because its almost a meme with you.

              Perhaps I was less given to such silly displays, and mom dressed me in a gunslinger holstered Cowboy suit once to win a K Days contest, but I thought it silly and didn't see why I should be wearing cowboy boots, vest, hat, etc and never did again. not for Halloween, not for anything. Dressed as a Gorilla, spaceman, ghost, goblin, tiger, bear, but never culturally appropriated others, never wore black face, never wore redface. Simply didn't see the validity of trying to be some other race, or that it was funny, or any coherent thing to do.

              But you crossed fast moving rivers, jumped cliffs, milked kittens, did blackface, redface appropriating of culture so not surprised.

              That "all the kids did this" is further testimony to you normalizing something that simply wasn't that popular. You're attempting to make it a plurality when really its not.

              When I grew up some kid in the neighborhood having watched a deplorable western or John Wayne movie said "lets play Cowboys and Indians" at the age of 6 or 7 most of us recognized this already as pretty ridiculous, if not disturbing depiction and especially considering we were playing a lot with Indigenous youth. The activity didn't occur because we declined. it just seemed wrong to do. We already had that mindset.


              But its the droll equivocation that is most offensive. JT comes from a political family. His father was a longterm Prime Minister. He was born with every advantage, had the best education possible, he himself selected to be a teacher to teach and educate children and in so many ways he is sophomoric, disrespectful, has many aspects of a past inappropriate to political office, and culturally appropriated even as Prime Minister while in India.

              Higher standard applies, and yet it doesn't to JT, it never does in his "case by case" basis of scrutiny, which conveniently absolves him of consequence always.

              The real message in this once again is that JT is a hypocritical liar, the same person that didn't realize blackface was wrong back then still has no concept of cultural appropriation being wrong. Seemingly he does it any chance he gets and doesn't know why he shouldn't.
              I don't think you should conclude he is a hypocritical liar. Yes, he did something in his past that seems to be at variance with his values now, but I suspect almost everyone has done something in their past that wasn't good or they regret in hindsight. Its part of being human. If we expect perfection in our political leaders, we are bound to be disappointed and frustrated. I suspect the photo albums and year books across the country and around the world are full of various politicians doing or saying various questionable things and we can dig up all kinds of stuff. It may give us some insight into the person, but it also may not be that relevant. Thankfully, up to now that has been more a US thing than here.

              It used to be quite popular when I was a kid to play cowboys and Indians. I agree these days that would not be considered proper, society's views change, evolve over time. I had a cowboy hat and a toy gun (I didn't ask for it, but thanks mom and dad), not an Indian costume and I don't recall play shooting Indians. It did seem a bit silly to me even back then, but others seemed to be really into it. I don't know know what that all means.

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              • You played Genocidal, Invading, Land Stealing Maniacs vs Plague Weakened, Starving, Robbed, Displaced Indigenous People?

                There’s a whole lot of education I’ve received and continue to receive that I was totally ignorant of - before.

                Long way me to go too.
                Last edited by KC; 19-09-2019, 12:31 PM.

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                • I don't know who JT is. He lectures us about diversity, he lectures us on being a feminist, he lectures us on climate change, and yet all three subjects, I have seen him do and say the exact opposite.
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                  • Originally posted by trick91 View Post
                    I can imagine the reaction if it was a conservative candidate, let alone the leader...and btw, i dont think Trudeau is a racist whatsoever. Just a stupid mistake.

                    Also weird how Time magazine first reported the story, and not one of our media.
                    Yup. Prejudice (racist?) gross generalizing views against c/Conservatives would mean a permanent racist label slapped on any conservative candidate having done this.

                    There would be no forgiveness as it would just be considered confirmation of the hateful stereotypes held against this group.
                    Last edited by KC; 19-09-2019, 12:37 PM.

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                    • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
                      As opposed to his first apology, the one today was definitely more fulsome. Instead of making it about himself, he took responsibility for his actions and acknowledged the hurt they caused to many Canadians who face racism and discrimination.

                      This has a good chance of blowing over if there are no more revelations. I understand not telling anyone about serious past indiscretions (perhaps not even your spouse) because of shame and embarrassment if Trudeau is being truthful on this point.
                      I think that's a problem, well a problem for him, you said IF Trudeau is being truthful. I don't know how you can tell anymore. Regardless, his brand has been tarnished, and other countries will look at him differently.

                      Plenty of people grew up with privileged, and didn't stoop to painting their faces.
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                      • Originally posted by Dave View Post
                        Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                        Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                        Trudeau calls it racism.

                        I see it as a grey area. If you dress up for a costume ball, as an actor for theater or for Halloween with no intent to mock or belittle others, I see no harm.

                        If the intent was to harm and mock another group, then it is not right.

                        There are pictures in our family photo album of me with an Indian costume made from paper bags. All the kids wore them including my best friend at the time who was half indigenous . It was a class project as we learned about Canadian history. It was when I was 8 years old and in grade two.

                        Would you call that racist?

                        Have you ever worn a costume that someone else may find racist today?
                        I came to the thread pretty much knowing this would be your take and that you had done something similar in your childhood because its almost a meme with you.

                        Perhaps I was less given to such silly displays, and mom dressed me in a gunslinger holstered Cowboy suit once to win a K Days contest, but I thought it silly and didn't see why I should be wearing cowboy boots, vest, hat, etc and never did again. not for Halloween, not for anything. Dressed as a Gorilla, spaceman, ghost, goblin, tiger, bear, but never culturally appropriated others, never wore black face, never wore redface. Simply didn't see the validity of trying to be some other race, or that it was funny, or any coherent thing to do.

                        But you crossed fast moving rivers, jumped cliffs, milked kittens, did blackface, redface appropriating of culture so not surprised.

                        That "all the kids did this" is further testimony to you normalizing something that simply wasn't that popular. You're attempting to make it a plurality when really its not.

                        When I grew up some kid in the neighborhood having watched a deplorable western or John Wayne movie said "lets play Cowboys and Indians" at the age of 6 or 7 most of us recognized this already as pretty ridiculous, if not disturbing depiction and especially considering we were playing a lot with Indigenous youth. The activity didn't occur because we declined. it just seemed wrong to do. We already had that mindset.


                        But its the droll equivocation that is most offensive. JT comes from a political family. His father was a longterm Prime Minister. He was born with every advantage, had the best education possible, he himself selected to be a teacher to teach and educate children and in so many ways he is sophomoric, disrespectful, has many aspects of a past inappropriate to political office, and culturally appropriated even as Prime Minister while in India.

                        Higher standard applies, and yet it doesn't to JT, it never does in his "case by case" basis of scrutiny, which conveniently absolves him of consequence always.

                        The real message in this once again is that JT is a hypocritical liar, the same person that didn't realize blackface was wrong back then still has no concept of cultural appropriation being wrong. Seemingly he does it any chance he gets and doesn't know why he shouldn't.
                        I don't think you should conclude he is a hypocritical liar. Yes, he did something in his past that seems to be at variance with his values now, but I suspect almost everyone has done something in their past that wasn't good or they regret in hindsight. Its part of being human. If we expect perfection in our political leaders, we are bound to be disappointed and frustrated. I suspect the photo albums and year books across the country and around the world are full of various politicians doing or saying various questionable things and we can dig up all kinds of stuff. It may give us some insight into the person, but it also may not be that relevant. Thankfully, up to now that has been more a US thing than here.

                        It used to be quite popular when I was a kid to play cowboys and Indians. I agree these days that would not be considered proper, society's views change, evolve over time. I had a cowboy hat and a toy gun (I didn't ask for it, but thanks mom and dad), not an Indian costume and I don't recall play shooting Indians. It did seem a bit silly to me even back then, but others seemed to be really into it. I don't know know what that all means.
                        Some background. I thankfully grew up in a diverse, but challenging impoverished area with many different cultures. So that such activities as playing cowboys and Indians would be outed as improper the moment they ever got started. (and didn't) I don't know how other areas or communities figured cowboys and Indians was OK play with indigenous kids participating. I don't get how that inclusively occurs on a friendly level. I just don't. Treating our friends with respect we declined to involve in activities and play they were not comfortable with. Perhaps we were accepting enough to listen to them as well and for them to have empowered voice..War games were not acceptable in our neighborhood either due to the ethnic configuration. This was not considered innocent play, if it was even considered. When your parents have been in wars, internment, concentration camps, or were civilian victims you learned that war games are simply not games, its the depiction of evil or hell on Earth.

                        Trudeau is a hypocritical liar for not this reason alone but for a list of them that would span pages and that I don't need to type out. Pretty much anybody could write a topten, and his statements are not white lies. They are clearly intentional misinformation. But for somebody that has made it a missive to be the better way, the future, and who self describes enlightenment all of Trudeaus misgivings and "she perceived that differently" perspectives are shockingly ironic. The man is a clown, I would be embarrassed to be him, and to have his published track record. But he's incapable of acknowledging it or even seeing it. The same self lying that allows himself to consider that he is a divine world leader of society, is the same self conceit that deep down see's no fault in himself. I was taught apology means you are heartfelt, and with honest intent to refrain from similar. To learn something of your behavior and not have countless instances of stepping in it.

                        Trudeau culturally appropriated, which was mocked and critiqued world over, DURING his trip to India. He did it extensively. He STILL doesn't understand what cultural appropriation is or why its inappropriate to engage in it. He's a teacher, an educator, a leader, a Prime Minister, and he doesn't get it but we've always known he's very poorly suited for office.

                        Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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                        Last edited by Replacement; 19-09-2019, 01:01 PM.
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                        • But many of us learned from our mistakes, evolved, changed our ways, show more empathy and became better people. We have coworkers, close friends and intimate relations with people of all color, religion and background.

                          Others have not and remain as bigots

                          bigot noun
                          bigĀ·​ot | \ ˈbi-gət \
                          Definition of bigot
                          : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
                          especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
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                          • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                            But many of us learned from our mistakes, evolved, changed our ways, show more empathy and became better people. We have coworkers, close friends and intimate relations with people of all color, religion and background.

                            Others have not and remain as bigots

                            bigot noun
                            bigĀ·​ot | \ ˈbi-gət \
                            Definition of bigot
                            : a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
                            especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
                            I think it’s somewhat a hazard of the job. Falls out of their common processes.

                            Political parties pursue votes through the most efficient means they can. So they focus on various agglomerations of people and target the leaders hoping the members/followers will fall in line and mindlessly vote accordingly the leaders’ wishes. So by its nature it’s a top-down (rooted in bigotry? segregationism? ) process. They can’t afford to see and treat all voters as individuals thinking independently, because they first must target the religious, ethnic, business, union or whatever leaders.

                            Get the left vote, the educated vote, the uneducated vote, the minority vote, the Catholic vote, the small business vote, the millennial vote... it’s endless and each label represents gross and ignorant generalizations.

                            These political parties all seem to attend functions hosted by various groups (vested interest groups) to obtain block votes. I see it as process driven.
                            Last edited by KC; 19-09-2019, 12:59 PM.

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                            • https://election.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-...rged-1.4601153


                              Good! he needs to know, his actions have consequences. This is just one of them

                              Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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                              Exactly.
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                              • Originally posted by H.L. View Post
                                https://election.ctvnews.ca/trudeau-...rged-1.4601153


                                Good! he needs to know, his actions have consequences. This is just one of them

                                Trudeau is an embarrassment, but will never see that, and many liberal supporters, maybe even a plurality, will excuse it, or not hold him accountable for it.
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                                Exactly.
                                Stick with the team no matter what? Don’t many Conservatives do that too?

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