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  • There's no amount of money the Liberals can throw at Alberta to turn the province red, just like there's nothing the Conservatives can do to lose the vote.

    Alberta will continue to get the treatment it votes for.
    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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    • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
      And all that money came from Alberta transfer payments while in Quebec, we pay zero taxes and our streets are paved with gold and no pot holes...
      very well played...

      but missing the point a bit as did i. Sundance was commenting on what he has - or hasn't seen - in regard to what has been good for Canada (has seen in the past tense - i.e. to date - being operative).

      that billion you pointed out while approved hasn't arrived and the only good to be seen is the planning and engineering that is continuing (and some of that may even be arguable even from montreal as to whether it's more bad than good in how it's going to be spent. ).

      even my including it on relative terms through to 2028 was probably missing the same point...
      "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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      • Originally posted by Dave View Post
        Originally posted by overoceans View Post
        Fawcett of the National Post wrote:

        "Here was a Prime Minister from Calgary, who gave important cabinet posts to other Albertans, and who ostensibly had Alberta’s best interests in mind." END QUOTE

        Actually, under Harper, not many of the important cabinet posts went to Albertans. If you look at Finance, Justice, and Foreign Affairs, none of them were ever held by Albertans.

        And of the ministries that were held by Albertans, Rona Ambrose seems to be disproportionately represented. Granted, there was Kenney in Heritage, but that department is not a big mover and shaker, all things considered.
        I don't recall any important cabinet posts being held by an Edmonton, since Anne McLellan - oh wait she is a Liberal and she did a lot to help develop the oilsands. Calgary did a bit better under Harper, a couple more cabinet ministers but really not that much. There was a western facade, but many of the Conservative big shots were from still Ontario and elsewhere, most of the large number of their Alberta MP's were backbenchers.
        Yes, there is a widely held myth that the Harper government was essentially Alberta forcing its reactionary will on The Rest Of Canada. Whereas, in fact, both in terms of ideology and personnel, that government owed at least as much to the Common Sense Revolution as to the Reform Party.

        And good point about McLellan. Yeah, under Harper, no Albertan(besides him) reached the same level of cabinet prestige that she did.

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        • https://edmontonjournal.com/news/can...b-80cadf82004e

          $12.8 billion in the month of august alone!

          these guys won't need a break for an election, they'll need a break from all of that shoveling.
          "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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          • Originally posted by noodle View Post
            There's no amount of money the Liberals can throw at Alberta to turn the province red, just like there's nothing the Conservatives can do to lose the vote.

            Alberta will continue to get the treatment it votes for.
            Does that apply as well to Edmonton provincially?

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            • The major differences between US and Canada is population and political will. So while US oil production has increased, Canada's has decreased, world price influences are somewhat the same, therefore the unemployment differences are political and blame can be fairly given to Justin.

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              • Let's talk about the $1 billion promised by Justin, how much if that is coming from Alberta taxpayers to begin with? My guess is significantly more than 11% (Alberta's vs. Canada's population)

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                • Originally posted by sundance View Post
                  The major differences between US and Canada is population and political will. So while US oil production has increased, Canada's has decreased, world price influences are somewhat the same, therefore the unemployment differences are political and blame can be fairly given to Justin.
                  You’re not in the oil sector at all are you.

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                  • Originally posted by Drumbones View Post
                    Originally posted by Stoneman View Post
                    American comedian bbq'd Junior last week in an interview. Can't believe JT's handlers let him go on there and get taken behind the woodshed.
                    Lucky for him nobody watched it.
                    How do you know that? Just because you may not have seen it doesn't mean others haven't.

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                    • Originally posted by sundance View Post
                      The major differences between US and Canada is population and political will. So while US oil production has increased, Canada's has decreased, world price influences are somewhat the same, therefore the unemployment differences are political and blame can be fairly given to Justin.
                      Population yes, but the situations are really not comparable. The US is basically increasing production for domestic consumption - not export, so the whole building pipelines to tidewater debate that we have here isn't much of an issue there. Their increased production is mostly replacing imported heavy crude from Venezuela, lighter crude from the mid east and to some extent also declining production from Alaska and heavier oil from Canada.

                      I don't think the US is seriously looking at exporting much to China or the far east. If that became an issue, I expect there could be political blow back from California, Oregon and Washington state. Although one similarity, there are environmentalists there too, not just in BC and by the way in the US they have shut down both Keystone XL and the Enbridge replacement lines, more than once through legal challenges, much like Trans Mountain in Canada.

                      Oh a lot of it in the US is light crude and refined in the country, so most of the environmental concerns about bitumen and not refining it domestically, also not issues there particularly as they already have the refining capacity. The increased production in some places like Texas are fairly close to the existing pipeline and refinery network, so why wouldn't they use it, instead of importing it.

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                      • The US’s production capabilities are challenging all the traditional suppliers.

                        Interesting is the amount of pipeline expansion they’ve undertaken. Different factors at play. We have far bigger hurdles to overcome.

                        Oil Infrastructure | Business Roundtable

                        https://www.businessroundtable.org/oil-infrastructure



                        The Quiet Rise In U.S. Offshore Oil Production

                        “For example, given sunken prices, there’s been well over $1 trillion in new projects canceled, leading to an underinvestment in new supply that could ultimately mean a price spike in the early-2020s.
                        But thanks to the recent higher prices stemming from the November 2016 agreement between OPEC and partners to cut 1.8 million b/d in production, we could see $1.6 to $1.8 trillion in offshore CAPEX by 2022.

                        In particular for us, the U.S. push for more offshore will help us feed a growing oil export business that is buffering the over-influence of OPEC and Russia around the world. The awesome upsurge in U.S. crude exports is one of the biggest stories in the energy business over the past year.”

                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/judecle...il-production/


                        U.S. Shale's Blows Leave Middle East Oil Producers Staggering
                        By Serene Cheong
                        December 26, 2018, 4:00 PM EST
                        Updated on December 27, 2018, 6:03 AM EST
                        U.S. light-oil flows to Asia erode OPEC members’ market share
                        Jump in U.S. fuel exports spurs decrease in refining margins


                        Light oil pumped in U.S. shale fields is increasingly making its way to Asia, undercutting sales by the likes of Saudi Arabia. Additionally, America is exporting a record amount of refined fuel, contributing to a global glut in gasoline and naphtha. That’s hurting some of the biggest members of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries as they prepare to curb crude output in a bid to stabilize the market.

                        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ers-staggering

                        Last edited by KC; 10-09-2019, 06:18 PM.

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                        • One debate? One? What is JT so scared of.?
                          Animals are my passion.

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                          • ^^

                            maybe part of the reason our federal government chose not to make a presentation to the federal court of appeal two months before an election (a decision that even surprised the judge):

                            "Trans Mountain Corp.has not signed agreements with 33 per cent of landowners, no part of thedetailed route has been approved, about half of the necessary permits areoutstanding and it must meet dozens of conditions with the Canada EnergyRegulator, formerly the National Energy Board.

                            "Further, it facesresistance in southwest B.C., where landowners are digging in their heels,Indigenous groups are filing legal challenges and protesters are planning toramp up activity."

                            https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-bc-1.5278931
                            "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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                            • Originally posted by kcantor View Post
                              ^^

                              maybe part of the reason our federal government chose not to make a presentation to the federal court of appeal two months before an election (a decision that even surprised the judge):

                              "Trans Mountain Corp.has not signed agreements with 33 per cent of landowners, no part of thedetailed route has been approved, about half of the necessary permits areoutstanding and it must meet dozens of conditions with the Canada EnergyRegulator, formerly the National Energy Board.

                              "Further, it facesresistance in southwest B.C., where landowners are digging in their heels,Indigenous groups are filing legal challenges and protesters are planning toramp up activity."

                              https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...e-bc-1.5278931
                              But there will be some that say this takes time to get through all of these obstacles, and Rome wasn't built in a day. Problem is, by the time all the obstacles are cleared, there will be no need for anymore oil. And the other part of the problem, is that the government either created these obstacles, or fostered an environment (no pun intended) to exacerbate them.

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                              • Problem is, by the time all the obstacles are cleared, there will be no need for anymore oil. And the other part of the problem, is that the government either created these obstacles, or fostered an environment (no pun intended) to exacerbate them.
                                100% correct. JT loves all these hold ups.
                                Animals are my passion.

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