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  • #16
    ^I think swimming pools were all the rage for politicians back then for parties, thinking of that UK movie, the Profumo affair. Hotties in swimsuits, old politicians, such was life...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by moahunter View Post
      Originally posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
      Originally posted by moahunter
      Should one of Trudeau's first acts be to build a nice palace for himself, renovating a building that Harper was able to manage fine in, for $10m plus?
      Already spinning this as a negative for Trudeau, eh? Nice.
      I'm being a bit tounge in cheek, just concious of how these thing's seem "obvious" to do, when they are done, but can then end up looking horrible when looking back, re other scandals we have seen. I'm not convinced it makes sense this be the PM's residence, and it seems even he is thinking about that. As to asbestos, the last home I had, had - its not an issue as long as you don't disturb it.
      But it's very difficult to upgrade the major infrastructure of the house, plumbing, heating, foundation, etc, without disturbing it.

      "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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      • #18
        from Wiki

        Since then, very little has been spent on renovating the building, leaving parts of it somewhat worn and outdated. The house lacks central air conditioning, being cooled only by a series of window-mounted air conditioners. In November 2004, Prime Minister Paul Martin complained about the house's heating system. According to his statement, the century-old house gets "too cold in the winter and too hot in the summer." Harper moved in on February 9, 2006, and has said he may move out temporarily during a future summer, so that renovations may be done. On May 6, 2008, the Auditor General reported that the house is in poor condition and needs about C$10 million in repairs and upgrades, which would require at least 12 to 15 months of "full access" to complete.
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        • #19
          Its interesting Rideau cottage was renovated at much lower cost, and has an historical designation.

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          • #20
            Maybe they should have an audit to audit the list of the auditor generals repair expenses that total 10M bucks.

            Air Conditioning? In OTTAWA? Its called open the damn window. Or be happy its warm at all for a period of time and you know, maybe go outside or something..

            Heres a consideration. in general. What is it about renovations in this day and age that now always come with these radically expensive list of *needed* repair expenses.

            Back in the late 70's/early 80's Old Strathcona gathered some funds to convert the old bus barns into a farmers market, convert the old post office into a retail market, convert some odd local facilities to Fringe suitable theaters. The old thinking used to be bless this thing is still standing, lets make some kind of use of it which its present condition can still afford.

            That whole line of thinking would be dead now. Old Strathcona foundation would be petitioning for 100M in funding.

            Most of us spit and polish repairs and do it ourselves. Do a damn good job of it as well.

            Repairs are fine but why always the exorbitant sticker price?

            Maybe they've found mold in all the stonework..
            "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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            • #21
              It's a historical building. Those are never cheap to fix, repair, or upgrade. Also, all the work will have to jump through about a million different levels of red tape from numerous government departments, agencies, and so on. That results in significantly higher costs as well, like it or not.

              And we're honestly questioning the need for central air conditioning for the official residence of the elected leader of our nation?

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              • #22
                ^ They also have to worry about increased security against the ever increasing numbers of crazies, which is without a doubt included in the cost.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                  Air Conditioning? In OTTAWA? Its called open the damn window. Or be happy its warm at all for a period of time and you know, maybe go outside or something..
                  I assume you're kidding, right? Ottawa summers would be unbearable without AC. You're living just above the poverty line if you don't have AC over there. The humidity is deadly. My parents live there now and I grew up there. You want your prime minister sleeping in his own sweat? Our leaders, regardless of their affiliation (or yours) should have access to all the reasonable luxuries that modern life affords. If there's a mice infestation, you going to tell him to get a damn cat?

                  Open a damn window anywhere in Alberta, sure.

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                  • #24
                    The place has 50 year old single pane windows, asbestos, old plumbing and wiring, almost no insulation etc. The utilities last year were reported to be $90,000!

                    $10 Million is chump change.

                    Read and weep...

                    Parliament’s $3-billion ‘mother of all renovation projects’ is on time and on budget

                    http://news.nationalpost.com/news/ca...e-is-grumbling
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by moahunter View Post
                      Its interesting Rideau cottage was renovated at much lower cost, and has an historical designation.
                      The needed work included roofing, foundation repair and mechanical / electrical systems (sounds like they pretty much gutted and rebuilt it) on a large official residence just down the street, all for $400,000. 25x that price for 24 Sussex looks very suspicious.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                        The $10 Million is chump change.
                        You could build a heck of a nice brand new house for that though. I am sure you could probably knock this one down, build brand new, and just "stick" the facade / stone on. It would be a lot more energy / heat efficient too - shouldn't it be renewable, with solar pannels, and windmills and all that other green stuff Trudeau wants to invest in?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Titanium48 View Post
                          25x that price for 24 Sussex looks very suspicious.
                          You're suspicious about a figure given by the Auditor General? If you're not gonna trust the auditors, who are you gonna trust?
                          Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                          • #28
                            Sometimes I can't believe what cheapskates Canadians are. If the executive residence of the Whitehouse needed $10M+ in repairs, no one would bat an eye. The Prime Minister needs a house to live in. This house needs to be secure, safe and structurally sound...more so than any other house in the nation. And it's a part of our history to boot.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by River Valley Green View Post
                              Sometimes I can't believe what cheapskates Canadians are. If the executive residence of the Whitehouse needed $10M+ in repairs, no one would bat an eye.
                              We aren't the US though. Trudeau won't be flying around in Air Force One, and I don't think we would like it if he did. We don't treat our PM as "royalty" (even if they do "descend" into their jobs like Trudeau has). The media out East is all, "we have to do this", "its a shame it hasn't been done", etc. To his credit, IMO, Trudeau hasn't actually jumped on that yet. Just because this has "always been the PM's home", doesn't mean that the best way to renovate it is to refurbish as oppose to rebuild, and it doesn't mean its the best use of taxpayers money, versus perhaps refitting this for some other purpose. $10M is a lot of money for a house, and this isn't even a new house, its just some basic repairs.

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                              • #30
                                Trudeau will be flying around in Royal Canadian Air Force VIP aircraft. This no doubt costs more than him flying business class (is that okay???). But regarding 24 Sussex, what is your suggestion, exactly? The only real alternative is that the head of the country not have an official residence. He or she can just live wherever they used to live, security and privacy concerns be damned.

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