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  • Idle No More - blockades

    So a day later and none of the problems with the QE2 closure occurred. I report this here because unfortunately the other thread specific to the "blockade" was closed.

    Turns out one lane was kept open at all times, of course emergency vehicles would've been granted passage at any time, and no incidents occurred. Event was peaceful, one protest the protest person came out, talked to Idle no more protestors, was informed, satisfied with explanations, and left.
    Reports are that most motorists honked and cheered, a few gave the protestors the finger, and one women driver unfortunately aggressively tried to drive through the human blockade. With her pick up truck picture on the front page.

    By all reports this blockade and a smudging on St Albert Trail did result in increased public information, attention, and served the purpose the demonstrators were trying to further.

    I like the message too. "Sorry for the momentary inconvience, were changing the world and lives"
    "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

  • #2
    They got attention, but did they win any allies for their cause? That is the main question.

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    • #3
      ^ they did just fine.
      "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

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      • #4
        Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
        ^ they did just fine.
        Based on what knowledge?

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        • #5
          based on what knowledge would you assume otherwise... Even if they were giving free kittens to orphans some would come out swinging with hateful drivel.

          The protest was peaceful and got media attention. I am glad to see people getting involved.
          "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

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          • #6
            Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
            based on what knowledge would you assume otherwise...
            I didn't assume otherwise.

            I merely asked a question, and questioned you on your poor answer. Didn't your teachers in school ever tell you to show your work? You should probably also do that here.

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            • #7
              It was a smart ploy by EPS to detour all traffic off of QEII North. This gave the protest no exposure. It was only after an hour that the chief decided to open a lane and thereby get some attention.

              Did anyone know the one 'anti' protestor that showed up??

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              • #8
                I'm impressed, then, with the chief's grasp of tactics.

                Eve

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                  They got attention, but did they win any allies for their cause? That is the main question.
                  Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
                  ^ they did just fine.
                  Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                  Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
                  ^ they did just fine.
                  Based on what knowledge?
                  Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
                  based on what knowledge would you assume otherwise... Even if they were giving free kittens to orphans some would come out swinging with hateful drivel.

                  The protest was peaceful and got media attention. I am glad to see people getting involved.
                  Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                  Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
                  based on what knowledge would you assume otherwise...
                  I didn't assume otherwise.

                  I merely asked a question, and questioned you on your poor answer. Didn't your teachers in school ever tell you to show your work? You should probably also do that here.
                  i'm starting to think that if either one of you said that the sky was blue or that asphalt was black the other would argue...

                  did it go as planned? i think so - possibly better.

                  but the question was "did they win any allies?" although it was posed as "the main question" which probably is debatable but a different discussion than either of you seem prepared to have.

                  not only is it too early for that question to be answered either way, i think the answer will continue to shift, at least in the short term, based on what else transpires.

                  it certainly won't be answered by "did so/did not anonymous sand box challenges".
                  "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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                  • #10
                    Ya great. Next time I don't get what i want with the government I'll close down the highway too.
                    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                    • #11
                      I highly doubt anyone was conducting opinion polls of drivers affected by the protest, so it's not like we're going to know with any certainty how they felt about it. All we'll have is anecdotal.

                      As other posters noted, it got media attention. Maybe more than that. From the Edmonton Journal:

                      Binh Chung was one of the first drivers stopped as the roadblock was set up. “All this is a disaster. I have no idea what is going on,” he said, adding that he hadn’t been following the movement but planned to do some research after Wednesday’s blockade.
                      http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/...245/story.html

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                      • #12
                        All,

                        I opened this thread as there is interest in discussing this important issue.

                        However, keep the comments to the issue, and not the poster. Debate the tactics, the rationale, and the effectiveness of the campaign - either by generating needed awareness or generating disdain for the movement.

                        This should not be about stereotypes as blockades are used in other situations. I remember Wabamun townsfolk blocking the CN mainline to try to get more attention to the effects of the oil spill (if you want a recent example).

                        One hundred Wabamun Lake residents took part in a five-hour blockade of the CN tracks in protest against what they felt was insufficient action by the railway in cleaning up the spill. The province of Alberta then issued an environmental protection order to ensure that the cleanup proceed.

                        Source - Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wabamun_Lake
                        Ow

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dusty Bear View Post
                          I highly doubt anyone was conducting opinion polls of drivers affected by the protest, so it's not like we're going to know with any certainty how they felt about it. All we'll have is anecdotal.

                          As other posters noted, it got media attention. Maybe more than that. From the Edmonton Journal:

                          Binh Chung was one of the first drivers stopped as the roadblock was set up. “All this is a disaster. I have no idea what is going on,” he said, adding that he hadn’t been following the movement but planned to do some research after Wednesday’s blockade.
                          http://www.edmontonjournal.com/life/...245/story.html
                          I read the article this am. I thought it a good and fair rundown. Thankful to see the detail they went into and keeping it front page news.

                          Interesting editorial decision, in the print edition they show the front of the pickup plowing through the human blockade, but in the online version the rear view and the licence plate of the vehicle. I wonder how many people have reported this plate by now. Deservedly so.

                          I realize emotion runs strong on these issues but really at the point of catching yourself plowing into human beings with several thousands lbs of truck its time to calm down, assess your actions and maybe park the vehicle for awhile. No excuse for that nature of action. Deplorable really. What class and restraint the lady on the side shows raising an eagle feather in salutation. I wonder if it raised any awareness in the angry driver? To me thats the proverbial flower in the tank turret moment.

                          Anyway this movement is spreading like rapid fire and across the globe. Getting in the news, front pages, etc. Clearly this is resulting in more attention, hits, discussion, and is on the tip of everybodies tongue.

                          My sincere credit for a protest well done and that was kept under control, for this protest to be allowed and the astute actions of not trying to shut this demonstration down, and the role of enforcement to aid in maintaining order during the event and safer passage through one lane.

                          Great job done by all, hats off. Edmonton, and Alberta, comes off looking better because they allow this demonstration and voice. The latter point being my opinion but I think putting the hammer down on protests like this ultimately does more harm than good and allows the protest to build and fester while world wide opinion looks on.

                          Cooperation of all for at least one day was obtained, a good thing.

                          ps Thanks admin for allowing this thread and discussion.
                          Last edited by Replacement; 17-01-2013, 11:25 AM.
                          "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                            They got attention, but did they win any allies for their cause? That is the main question.
                            You doubt that this nationwide and world wide protest is gaining allies and furthering exposure using this nature of tactics?

                            Idle no more has gone viral in terms of news. This has quickly become a huge movement.

                            I think your main question has been answered.
                            "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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                            • #15
                              After dealing with the BS on the St Albert Trail yesturday I will be returning the favor at the River Cree Casino on the walls and floor of the bathroom.

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