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  • #76
    The Swedish Waters article below is quite interesting as it might be an indicator of things to come in the arctic...


    Russia prepares for ice-cold war with show of military force in the Arctic

    "Vladimir Putin sends troops and jets to oil- and gas-rich region also coveted by Canada, United States, Norway and Denmark"

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-oil-gas-putin


    The 'Russian Submarine' in Swedish Waters Isn't the Only Unwelcome Visitor in the Baltic Sea
    By Elisabeth Braw / October 21, 2014
    excerpt:
    "In 2010, only one Russian military vessel was spotted close to Latvian waters. This year, the figure has already exceeded 40, Latvia’s ministry of defence says. During the same period, the number of Russian military approaches to Latvian airspace resulting in scrambles by Nato’s Baltic air policing mission has skyrocketed from around five to more than 180. Neighbouring Lithuania has already seen 132 scrambles this year, up from four in 2010"...

    http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/31/d...cs-278694.html

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    • #77
      Russia's military buildup and activities is concerning.

      This quote was interesting and I think applies to Harper's arctic push over the last few years as well:

      “The only justification can be the will, yet again, to unite the Russian people in the face of an enemy on the outside who is supposedly trying to take ‘our’ Arctic, despite there being no threat. It’s a drill ground on which Russia can flex its muscles, and more a matter of world politics than economics.”

      "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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      • #78
        Harper speaking...
        (maybe I should have posted this in that endless fighter jet debate thread. )


        Russia warns it's coming for the Arctic's oil, including an area Canada claims as its own
        OCTOBER 31, 2014

        http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ru...082/story.html

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        • #79
          Originally posted by KC View Post
          Harper speaking...
          (maybe I should have posted this in that endless fighter jet debate thread. )


          Russia warns it's coming for the Arctic's oil, including an area Canada claims as its own
          OCTOBER 31, 2014

          http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ru...082/story.html
          The headline and the speech don't agree. Nowhere in the audio does Harper say Russia is trying to claim arctic oil in Canadian claimed territory. He does say Russia has been flying more air military missions over the arctic requiring Canadian response.

          "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
            Originally posted by KC View Post
            Harper speaking...
            (maybe I should have posted this in that endless fighter jet debate thread. )


            Russia warns it's coming for the Arctic's oil, including an area Canada claims as its own
            OCTOBER 31, 2014

            http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/Ru...082/story.html
            The headline and the speech don't agree. Nowhere in the audio does Harper say Russia is trying to claim arctic oil in Canadian claimed territory. He does say Russia has been flying more air military missions over the arctic requiring Canadian response.

            Yeah I know, it suckered me in too. No surprise, since the source = Calgary Herald

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            • #81
              Originally posted by KC View Post
              The 'Russian Submarine' in Swedish Waters Isn't the Only Unwelcome Visitor in the Baltic Sea
              By Elisabeth Braw / October 21, 2014
              excerpt:
              "In 2010, only one Russian military vessel was spotted close to Latvian waters. This year, the figure has already exceeded 40, Latvia’s ministry of defence says. During the same period, the number of Russian military approaches to Latvian airspace resulting in scrambles by Nato’s Baltic air policing mission has skyrocketed from around five to more than 180. Neighbouring Lithuania has already seen 132 scrambles this year, up from four in 2010"...

              http://www.newsweek.com/2014/10/31/d...cs-278694.html
              I've been following this one a bit. Sweden has traditionally been a "friend" of NATO, but they simply haven't been keeping up their military technology. I wonder if Sweden might be forced to join NATO if this carries on for much longer, they are falling behind, and Russia is making them look stupid. There were also reports Russia "simulated" a nuclear attack on Sweden, and has been flying into their territory pretty much uncontested.

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              • #82
                Well then it appears the troublesome arctic claim won't be from Russia but from Denmark. They have just filed claim to the entire Lomonosov Ridge stretching across the pole and almost to Russia. It's an interesting claim and technically, not unreasonable if they can demonstrate the ridge is an extension of their continental shelf. Of course both Canada and Russia have made that assertion as well but both limited their claims to their own side of the pole.

                http://www.economist.com/news/intern...fsrc=rss%7Cint

                "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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                • #83
                  ^That's an interesting article.

                  A couple more articles on it.

                  A new cold war: Denmark gets aggressive, stakes huge claim in Race for the Arctic
                  Tristin Hopper, December 15, 2014

                  excerpt:

                  "For years, the Race for the Arctic had promised to be one of the most gentlemanly land grabs in history: Using only science and a whiff of diplomacy, the oil-rich Arctic Ocean could be peacefully divvied up between Russia, Canada, the United States and Europe.

                  That is, until the tiny nation of Denmark approached the United Nations on Monday with a staggering claim to nearly one third of the total prize — including the North Pole. ..."


                  http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12...#__federated=1


                  source: http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com...ctic-claim.jpg

                  Denmark makes 'provocative' Arctic claim
                  Published: 15 Dec 2014, The Local Europe AB

                  excerpt:

                  "...Denmark’s claim to the Arctic seabed is the result of 12 years of planning and, according to Politiken, 330 million kroner ($55.2 million) spent on research.

                  States are entitled to claim the continental shelf extending to 200 nautical miles from their coast. According to the Foreign Ministry, the new area north of Greenland is the fifth claim Denmark has made for a continental shelf that extends behind the 200 nautical mile mark. The first submission was made in April 2009, with subsequent claims coming in December 2010, June 2012 and November 2013. Those previous claims are currently under consideration, so the Foreign Ministry said “it is therefore difficult to predict” when the new submission will be considered. Politiken reports that the process could take up to 15 years.

                  Although both Canada and Russia have also made claims to the area over the years, Lidegaard said that Denmark has had “very good cooperation” with its “Arctic neighbours”.

                  “This is not an aggressive action. It is an attempt to honestly and accurately present geological data,” he told Politiken. ..."


                  http://um.dk/en/~/media/UM/English-s...nsokkel_uk.jpg

                  http://www.thelocal.dk/20141215/denm...e-arctic-claim
                  Last edited by KC; 17-12-2014, 11:31 AM.

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                  • #84
                    It's an interesting claim to say the least. Based on this really large NatGeo map image I think there will be cause to dispute their claim:

                    https://natgeoeducationblog.files.wo...-political.jpg

                    "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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                    • #85
                      I figure that it's just not all that important to us, or we'd already have a greater presence there.

                      [quote]

                      China used research mission to test trade route through Canada’s Northwest Passage - The Globe and Mail
                      ROBERT FIFE AND STEVEN CHASE, OTTAWA
                      SEPTEMBER 10, 2017

                      Excerpt:

                      "China's official government news agency says Beijing used a scientific icebreaker voyage through Canada's Northwest Passage to test the viability of sailing Chinese cargo ships through the environmentally fragile route that links the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.

                      Xinhua News Agency, often used to deliver messages on behalf of the Chinese state, lauded the Sept. 6 completion of the first-ever Chinese voyage through the Arctic waterway, saying the Snow Dragon icebreaker "accumulated a wealth of experience for Chinese ships going through the Northwest Passage in the future."

                      Beijing's state news agency said the Arctic route through Canadian waters can reduce the delivery time for Chinese cargo ships by 20 per cent. ..."

                      "Prof. Huebert, who teaches at the University of Calgary's Centre for Military and Strategic Studies, said he is not convinced the Canadian government is prepared to handle large-scale Chinese shipping through this waterway and to ensure China respects the Arctic Waters Pollution Prevention Act.

                      Environmentalists have expressed concern over the risks of increased ship traffic in the pristine Arctic, such as oil spills and sooty emissions.

                      "We need to get the Arctic patrol vessels built. We need to get the Coast Guard better funded and we need the facilities for better surveillance and enforcement capability," Prof Huebert said. ..."

                      https://beta.theglobeandmail.com/new...service=mobile
                      Last edited by KC; 15-09-2017, 09:04 AM.

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                      • #86
                        Why Russia is sending robotic submarines to the Arctic

                        http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2017...-to-the-arctic

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                        • #87
                          Russia and China vie to beat the US in the trillion-dollar race to control the Arctic
                          Clay Dillow | @cwdillow Published 7:33 AM ET Tue, 6 Feb 2018

                          https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/06/russ...ol-arctic.html

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