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  • #16
    Nothing to do with PC... Let me recap:

    You suggest that she was selected because
    1. ...she is a woman, not because she is qualified.
    2. ...an engineer, not, say, sociologist and not becuase she is qualified.
    3. ... she is of a certain race, not because she is qualified
    4. ... the people making the selections have no personal integritiy and chose someone with inferior qualifications because she is a woman, engineer, and a visible minority.

    However, if you look at her credentials, at least on paper she is more than qualified.

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    • #17
      During her tenure teaching positions were cut and tuition went up. Not overly impressed with that.
      LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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      • #18
        To be partially fair, High Ed also suffered through Thomas L as the higher ed minister with all the bright ideas that went with that disaster. And, all the universities and colleges across canada went through similar cost-cutting measures. But, sure, she could have taken a more thoughtful approach with that and the bigger support for some of the social science disciplines.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by grish View Post
          Nothing to do with PC... Let me recap:

          You suggest that she was selected because
          1. ...she is a woman, not because she is qualified.
          2. ...an engineer, not, say, sociologist and not becuase she is qualified.
          3. ... she is of a certain race, not because she is qualified
          4. ... the people making the selections have no personal integritiy and chose someone with inferior qualifications because she is a woman, engineer, and a visible minority.

          However, if you look at her credentials, at least on paper she is more than qualified.
          Where did I say she wasn't qualified? I just said those are some qualities/characteristics that also made her a quality candidate, and likely played a part in why she got the job. Engineering brings in donations, a woman as president is a symbol for social equality, as is being a visible minority.

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          • #20
            Here:

            Originally posted by etownboarder View Post
            Originally posted by Bill View Post
            Thought she did a good job.
            Not like any of you could have done better. If so, you would have had her job
            Impossible... I'm not a woman, an engineer, or a visible minority.
            You undermined all of her qualifications by suggesting the only reason she got the job is due to her being a woman, engineer, and a visible minority. You suggested that if she wasn't, she would have been passed over for one who is.


            and, you continue to do it... She is well qualified for the position, and that is all that needs to be said.
            Last edited by grish; 21-06-2015, 08:01 PM.

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            • #21
              Hmmm, if I were on the hiring committee and had it narrowed down to a white man with a PhD in education or Indira with her background in engineering, being a visible minority and obviously a woman, otherwise being equally qualified, I would hire her over the other guy for those specific characteristics that give her an edge too. You're deluded if you think those things don't play a role in it all. Perhaps they don't get discussed openly in the middle of meetings between hiring committee members, but they do happen.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by etownboarder View Post
                Originally posted by Bill View Post
                Thought she did a good job.
                Not like any of you could have done better. If so, you would have had her job
                Impossible... I'm not a woman, an engineer, or a visible minority.
                You can ever so slightly try to justify your words, but you disagreed with the possibility that a better qualified individual would not have been given the job because of Dr. Samarasekera's gender, degree, and ethnicity.

                Now, you have amended the "better" with "equal"... Keep going...

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                • #23
                  Meh, whatever dude. The points I am making now still apply.

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                  • #24
                    Oh yay, another poster witch hunting on a Sunday night on c2e.

                    What a friendly forum this is.
                    "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Drumbones View Post
                      So someone must be paying you a fortune, or you would be back in jolly old heavenly England.
                      I do OK, plus I was talking specifically about Edmonton - check my location in my sig...

                      Originally posted by Drumbones View Post
                      And yet so many people are moving here and working for minimum wage.
                      I specifically mentioned "professions", not casual labour.
                      "The only really positive thing one could say about Vancouver is, it’s not the rest of Canada." Oink (britishexpats.com)

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                        Oh yay, another poster witch hunting on a Sunday night on c2e.

                        What a friendly forum this is.
                        Depends if you are the hunter or the hunted.
                        Just go along for the ride, it usually ends badly.
                        Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                          Originally posted by expat View Post
                          Originally posted by Replacement View Post


                          Heres a recent list on what respective Universities pay professors. Given that the U of A on average pays profs much more than UBC that could be considered a reason why UBC has more profs/student body. Just a thought... Another is how the U of A figures it has to pay somebody more here than UBC needs to pay profs who require lucrative pay to even get by in the lower mainland which has out of control housing costs.

                          http://www.macleans.ca/education/uni...est-to-lowest/
                          This isn't surprising, as it's a rather average (barely top 100) university in the middle of nowhere, plagued by an an awful climate and set in a city with very little international prestige...

                          Similar reasons as to why people in many other professions can demand higher wages to come and work in the region.

                          This isn't really accurate. As little as a decade ago U of A was among the lower paying top universities. its only since they've had the elitist administration that they've gone in a different direction. Namely that the U of A went full bore into hiring supposed "Rock Star" Professors, a concept duly criticized wherever it takes place and that has not at all been related to quality of education but rather quality of arrogance and conceit.
                          The outcome of this policy may not have been what was envisaged, but my point still stands. To get what are perceived to be top profs/professionals to come to Edmonton over many, many other cities (for the reasons mentioned above), takes a lucrative financial incentive.
                          "The only really positive thing one could say about Vancouver is, it’s not the rest of Canada." Oink (britishexpats.com)

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by expat View Post
                            Originally posted by Replacement View Post
                            Originally posted by expat View Post
                            Originally posted by Replacement View Post


                            Heres a recent list on what respective Universities pay professors. Given that the U of A on average pays profs much more than UBC that could be considered a reason why UBC has more profs/student body. Just a thought... Another is how the U of A figures it has to pay somebody more here than UBC needs to pay profs who require lucrative pay to even get by in the lower mainland which has out of control housing costs.

                            http://www.macleans.ca/education/uni...est-to-lowest/
                            This isn't surprising, as it's a rather average (barely top 100) university in the middle of nowhere, plagued by an an awful climate and set in a city with very little international prestige...

                            Similar reasons as to why people in many other professions can demand higher wages to come and work in the region.

                            This isn't really accurate. As little as a decade ago U of A was among the lower paying top universities. its only since they've had the elitist administration that they've gone in a different direction. Namely that the U of A went full bore into hiring supposed "Rock Star" Professors, a concept duly criticized wherever it takes place and that has not at all been related to quality of education but rather quality of arrogance and conceit.
                            The outcome of this policy may not have been what was envisaged, but my point still stands. To get what are perceived to be top profs/professionals to come to Edmonton over many, many other cities (for the reasons mentioned above), takes a lucrative financial incentive.
                            The kind of profs I consider topnotch aren't as endowed to the highest bidder and jumping to relocate on the dollar, just saying.

                            heh, I'm naïve and believe in a greater calling than its just all about money.

                            Never much liked the rockstar prof concept for that reason alone. Although now I'm far from alone in critiquing the outmoded concept. Even profs passionately dislike the term and conceit involved. Best way to become a professorial pariah is to be highest paid, plus that its by and large grass is greener profs from elsewhere getting the big coin.

                            Not an isolated shell game either. The trick to being seen as a high priced expert is "not to be from around here" No matter where here is...

                            Nothing wrong with recruiting the brightest minds from within. In fact I would prefer that approach.

                            Too much common sense there though, the brightest minds we don't know from elsewhere must always be better choices...
                            Last edited by Replacement; 21-06-2015, 09:32 PM.
                            "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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