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  • Parking, neighbourhoods and walkable, local options.

    Ridiculous...

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...t-heights-deli


    Ottawa-Edmonton-Vancouver-Edmonton

  • #2
    Anyone have seating capacities for both venues? Can't be that high. Parking is going to need to be delt with as this city grows. Public parking is public. There is a tonne of street parking within 1 block of that new building. Someone needs to call Bunt and get a traffic analysis into the City now.

    EDIT: Ugh, nevermind. Apparently one was done but the neighbours overruled it. What's the point then?
    Last edited by GenWhy?; 24-07-2018, 05:01 PM.
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    • #3
      On-street parking in neighbourhoods is a privilege, not a right and a parking study was done... a permit was APPROVED and then revoked?

      Something smells.


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      • #4
        Everything in this article makes me mad... Ben Henderson said speeding was an issue because he beleived they (those cars) were looking for parking. So is the issue parking, street design, speeds, parking for commercial vs residential use, people using their garage vs street, distance to park in relation to one's house, hours of use for street parking... etc. Or is it simply that everyone wants / expects to park right in front of the door they wish to enter?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by IanO View Post
          Ridiculous...

          i voted "no" on Elise's survey but the issue isn't as black and white as a "yes or no" survey nor as simple as dismissing it as "ridiculous...".

          if the deli relies on customers being able to park and there is insufficient parking to support the business, it will be a short term problem for the neighbors (assuming the deli isn't hiring 6 staff who all park on the street ), that will take care of itself.

          the real problem is less being able to park as being able to park for either short or long periods of time. residents should be able to park for extended periods in their neighborhood and should have a sticker or placard displayed in order to park for extended periods. others would be restricted to say 2 hours during the day and 4 hours "after hours" to allow for visitors to access businesses or homes.

          those not using a placard for their vehicle should be able to make it available to visitors/caregivers and perhaps there could be a maximum number of placards available per residence which would solve the one home/six cars concern that is often the real issue.

          perhaps the city could even partner with the province so that placards could be issued based on the registered address of the vehicle owner for the first placard for each address with additional ones having to be requested in person or on-line. the end result should be a manageable relationship for both residents and businesses and anyone needing more parking than permitted in a reasonably regulated and administered fashion (resident or visitor) would simply have to find off-street parking or use transit so the system starts to encourage "better behavior".
          Last edited by kcantor; 24-07-2018, 05:14 PM.
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          • #6
            The Ritchie development did not face this and the area is so much "worse".
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            • #7
              Originally posted by IanO View Post
              On-street parking in neighbourhoods is a privilege, not a right and a parking study was done... a permit was APPROVED and then revoked?

              Something smells.
              no, according to the article the permit was not approved so nothing to smell here. the recommendation of the transportation department to issue a permit was changed from yes to no based on subsequent neighborhood input.

              you just have to love "public consultation" as soon as it moves past motherhood and apple pie and starts to interfere instead of support (too often the rule rather than the exception).

              for what it's worth, it's often worth setting the initial uses for the most stringent (i.e. food and liquor outlets) and then if there's a subsequent change it's to something less restrictive. my guess is if this had been the initially requested use on the original application, the original application would have been approved just as readily and there wouldn't be a subsequent issue.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by GenWhy? View Post
                The Ritchie development did not face this and the area is so much "worse".
                it's often less the "better or worse" than it is simply the subsequent change that becomes problematic.

                the ritchie development's brewery and food uses were in the originally approved application if i recall correctly. if it had been done as general retail and then tried to change to the brewery and food, the fight would have been much the same as this one and would face the same uphill battle.
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                • #9
                  The curb lane right in front of this building should be short-term parking round the clock. It's not needed to move the limited traffic volumes that 106ave has. That would help.

                  Beyond that, the sooner we get away from the idea that we all have a right to free parking near our houses the better. I'm sure residents of the apartments are parking on the street because it's free while the building's parking comes at a monthly cost. Which it should, since there's a cost to providing it.
                  There can only be one.

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                  • #10
                    Also consider that this place is across the alley from Hilltop Pub, which brings its own parking demands on the neighbourhood.
                    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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                    • #11
                      How far do people travel for a pub/café/deli? Maybe all this place needs is an avenue that's safe and comfortable to cross to convince people from south off 106 to walk there instead of drive.
                      There can only be one.

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                      • #12
                        The Hilltop has a parking lot. More importantly The Hilltop has bike parking - Cartago does not. Cartago is also in an unfriendly street crossing spot. They should do something about their bike parking.

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                        • #13
                          Parking on 106 Ave in front of the building is only restricted during morning rush hour. And kcantor, true about the changes after as opposed to what they initially go in with. As for bike parking you can write to the City and request one. I've done it a few times and they're quite quick about it if you write a good letter.
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                          • #14
                            Pedestrian road crossings are at 83 & 81 streets.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GenWhy? View Post
                              As for bike parking you can write to the City and request one. I've done it a few times and they're quite quick about it if you write a good letter.
                              You should pass that advice along to Ms. Ingraham. On second thought, considering the things I've seen her write lately perhaps she should stick to running a restaurant.

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