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  • #31
    So did we learn anything from Visions 2020? Or was all that just smoke and mirrors?
    Mom said I should not talk to cretins!

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    • #32
      Originally posted by envaneo View Post
      So did we learn anything from Visions 2020? Or was all that just smoke and mirrors?
      I think the problem with Vision 2020 was twofold: 1) It was already too late for Northlands by that time anyways, and 2) Nobody really wanted what they were proposing, for the most part.

      The 100,000 person outdoor venue was not practical or viable, and not at all what the community wanted for the area. The coliseum reno could have had some traction but again with the Katz group having a chokehold over the building by way of the non-competition agreement it would have been next to impossible to move forward and raise any capital for such a venture

      It was a proposal from a group trying to stay viable and ultimately it didn't make a lot of sense. It makes sense to leverage what's already in the area for the south portion of the site and develop residential. The north site, difficult to say.
      Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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      • #33
        Move the VIA / Greyhound station there. Doing so would provide a connection to the LRT for VIA and Greyhound users, as well as allowing removal of the tracks next to 121 St and the Yellowhead rail overpass. That would in turn allow more connections to 121 St and simplify an integrated 127 / 124 / 121 St - Yellowhead interchange.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Titanium48 View Post
          Move the VIA / Greyhound station there. Doing so would provide a connection to the LRT for VIA and Greyhound users, as well as allowing removal of the tracks next to 121 St and the Yellowhead rail overpass. That would in turn allow more connections to 121 St and simplify an integrated 127 / 124 / 121 St - Yellowhead interchange.
          Wouldn't a train station need to be close to the train tracks though ? It's not a very nice or short walk from the coliseum, over the LRT overpass to Belvedere where the tracks are.
          Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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          • #35
            City council approves permanent closure of Coliseum

            City council on Tuesday approved the permanent closure of the Coliseum.

            “We’re examining the entirety of the exhibition lands through a few different processes, but, generally, the city is accepting any kind of ideas or proposals on what to do with that land, including the land that the Coliseum sits on,” Ward 9 Coun. Tim Cartmell said Tuesday.

            He said administrative officials will discuss options for the area with surrounding neighbourhoods and communities.

            At an executive committee meeting last week, officials voted to finalize an agreement with the Oilers Entertainment Group about the permanent closure of the Coliseum. This would end a $17-million sponsorship deal negotiated with the group, as part of a memorandum of understanding in 2016 about the new downtown arena, Rogers Place.

            Last week, Cartmell said that by closing the Coliseum, the city was sending a clear message it was moving on from the idea of reviving the building as an assembly or arena space


            http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...re-of-coliseum
            Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
              Originally posted by Titanium48 View Post
              Move the VIA / Greyhound station there. Doing so would provide a connection to the LRT for VIA and Greyhound users, as well as allowing removal of the tracks next to 121 St and the Yellowhead rail overpass. That would in turn allow more connections to 121 St and simplify an integrated 127 / 124 / 121 St - Yellowhead interchange.
              Wouldn't a train station need to be close to the train tracks though ? It's not a very nice or short walk from the coliseum, over the LRT overpass to Belvedere where the tracks are.
              There are still tracks south off the mainline to the Coliseum. Not sure where you got the idea about Belvedere. The suggestion is to move the Via station to the area around Coliseum station.

              Not the tracks that run alongside the LRT station.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
                Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
                Originally posted by Titanium48 View Post
                Move the VIA / Greyhound station there. Doing so would provide a connection to the LRT for VIA and Greyhound users, as well as allowing removal of the tracks next to 121 St and the Yellowhead rail overpass. That would in turn allow more connections to 121 St and simplify an integrated 127 / 124 / 121 St - Yellowhead interchange.
                Wouldn't a train station need to be close to the train tracks though ? It's not a very nice or short walk from the coliseum, over the LRT overpass to Belvedere where the tracks are.
                There are still tracks south off the mainline to the Coliseum. Not sure where you got the idea about Belvedere. The suggestion is to move the Via station to the area around Coliseum station.

                Not the tracks that run alongside the LRT station.

                Sorry, meant Fort Road

                That line that runs down the ROW is effectively just a spur... I suppose you could line down that spur then back up to the main line. That might work.
                Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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                • #38
                  That's what they used to do downtown. And this would be a much shorter reversal.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
                    Originally posted by envaneo View Post
                    So did we learn anything from Visions 2020? Or was all that just smoke and mirrors?
                    I think the problem with Vision 2020 was twofold: 1) It was already too late for Northlands by that time anyways, and 2) Nobody really wanted what they were proposing, for the most part.

                    The 100,000 person outdoor venue was not practical or viable, and not at all what the community wanted for the area. The coliseum reno could have had some traction but again with the Katz group having a chokehold over the building by way of the non-competition agreement it would have been next to impossible to move forward and raise any capital for such a venture

                    It was a proposal from a group trying to stay viable and ultimately it didn't make a lot of sense. It makes sense to leverage what's already in the area for the south portion of the site and develop residential. The north site, difficult to say.
                    Respondents I spoke with favoured the Hall D proposal more then anything.

                    The racetrack proposal was disliked the most.

                    The group felt it had to do something to save the coliseum building from the wrecking ball.
                    Mom said I should not talk to cretins!

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                    • #40
                      I'd rather see Borden Park expanded down to the Expo Centre. Put some sort of major attraction in the area such as the veledrome, if it's still looking for a home. It could even be a better home for the heritage festival since the LRT is close by and you wouldn't have the transportation problems that we saw last year.

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                      • #41
                        Turn that arena into a velodrome along with other aspect where Olympic athletes could train if it is possible. Turn the top half of the arena into a living training centre. The structure is in great shape; and, they could potentially get some government funding for it
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                        Some of the land should return back to the city for future residents.
                        " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
                          Turn that arena into a velodrome along with other aspect where Olympic athletes could train if it is possible. Turn the top half of the arena into a living training centre. The structure is in great shape; and, they could potentially get some government funding for it
                          .
                          Some of the land should return back to the city for future residents.
                          As that would likely require some level of municipal support it likely would not be allowed under the arena framework, being a sporting use.
                          Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by envaneo View Post
                            Originally posted by 240GLT View Post
                            Originally posted by envaneo View Post
                            So did we learn anything from Visions 2020? Or was all that just smoke and mirrors?
                            I think the problem with Vision 2020 was twofold: 1) It was already too late for Northlands by that time anyways, and 2) Nobody really wanted what they were proposing, for the most part.

                            The 100,000 person outdoor venue was not practical or viable, and not at all what the community wanted for the area. The coliseum reno could have had some traction but again with the Katz group having a chokehold over the building by way of the non-competition agreement it would have been next to impossible to move forward and raise any capital for such a venture

                            It was a proposal from a group trying to stay viable and ultimately it didn't make a lot of sense. It makes sense to leverage what's already in the area for the south portion of the site and develop residential. The north site, difficult to say.
                            Respondents I spoke with favoured the Hall D proposal more then anything.

                            The racetrack proposal was disliked the most.

                            The group felt it had to do something to save the coliseum building from the wrecking ball.
                            The Hall D proposal could have had legs. But required a significant investment that the city was not willing to fund.

                            Yes the conversion of the racetrack to a concert site was pretty much universally loathed

                            I don't necessarily think that most thought that the coliseum needed to be saved, Most were concerned about the site sitting vacant and derelict. Which it now is, in spite of promises made by our civic officials. At this point most in the area are not trusting of the city because the city has failed to live up to their promises. We'll see what this next round brings
                            Over promise and under deliver. It’s the most Edmonton thing you can do.

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                            • #44
                              Amateur training centre for Olympics athletes shouldn"t affect Rogers. This would be more of a specialized rec centre. I'm not referring it to be used a a competing ground but purely for training for their Olympic dreams.
                              " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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                              • #45
                                ^^
                                It is not even two years since it closed. We just can't expect mcdrive through results though as things just don't work that way. Even those power centre takes time to develope. Ideas are still ruminating and that should be the proper procedure. Measure ten times and cut once not the other way around. 240, now that I know you weld and we both have worked up north, so you must have seen the cut ten times and measure once constant routine. Do we need that cheap method trickling down here. We have enough disasters from lack of experiemce and ill prepared plans such as the LRT, bridges and freeway, so I don't care for another mcdrive through process.
                                Last edited by ctzn-Ed; 01-03-2018, 04:10 PM.
                                " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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