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  • Originally posted by Marcel Petrin View Post

    Because it's built over a massive train station with extensive underground links to the subway system and a large bus depot across the street.
    Sure, but aren't people supposed to hang around before and after arena events? Wasn't that the whole idea behind moving it downtown?

    When I was there, we exited to the sidewalks and walked to our hotel. MAny other people also exited to the street. No pedway. No "winter garden". Just people crossing the street and going someplace to eat or home or whatever. Sure, a lot of people took the subway but we've got an LRT station right there as well. No street crossing necessary.

    It's funny how people attending events at other downtown arenas manage to cross the street without being killed.

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    • Probably on week days, the hanging out is a bit more before the game than after. On weekends (and Rogers also hosts concerts and other events, not just hockey) might be more after the game depending on the time.

      In any event, having the Pedway there doesn't prevent anyone who wants to hang out. It just means they don't have to stand at an intersection and wait or back up traffic traffic too much, as 104 St is still a major route through downtown including for people not attending events at Rogers. Also, most bars, restaurants and stores are on the south side of 104th, so if you want to hang out in the area chances are you still need to get across it somehow.

      Unfortunately, the LRT station right there does not have a big enough platform to accommodate much of a crowd. That was short sighted.

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      • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post

        Sure, but aren't people supposed to hang around before and after arena events? Wasn't that the whole idea behind moving it downtown?

        When I was there, we exited to the sidewalks and walked to our hotel. MAny other people also exited to the street. No pedway. No "winter garden". Just people crossing the street and going someplace to eat or home or whatever. Sure, a lot of people took the subway but we've got an LRT station right there as well. No street crossing necessary.

        It's funny how people attending events at other downtown arenas manage to cross the street without being killed.
        The nice thing about Rogers is that there are many ways for people to enter and exit the building. I too was originally somewhat against the Wintergarden idea but I've come to like it now. It's a very dramatic space that offers some cool views of the downtown.

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        • Same people complaining about the pedway would be complaining if there was no pedway

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          • Originally posted by trick91 View Post
            Same people complaining about the pedway would be complaining if there was no pedway
            Just look at the total lack of "vibrancy" on that block. Windows covered in vinyl. The south side a total dead zone. The casino that just has the door and a small window on the corner. If it was anyone besides Katz & the Oilers, they'd never get away with such a design. 102 stret south of 104th is much the same but with the addition of electrical boxes and signs blocking most of the sidewalk. If you look at the district, the on;y part that's inviting is the area around the plaza and it's designed to be totally inward looking while ignoring the rest of downtown.

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            • Yes cause the district is done.

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              • Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post

                Just look at the total lack of "vibrancy" on that block. Widows covered in vinyl. The south side a total dead zone. The casino that just has the door and a small window on the corner. If it was anyone besides Katz & the Oilers, they'd never get away with such a design. 102 street south of 104th is much the same but with the addition of electrical boxes and signs blocking most of the sidewalk. If you look at the district, the on;y part that's inviting is the area around the plaza and it's designed to be totally inward looking while ignoring the rest of downtown.
                I agree. Functionally and aesthetically it's a total fail.

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                • Originally posted by trick91 View Post
                  Same people complaining about the pedway would be complaining if there was no pedway
                  lol
                  www.decl.org

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                  • Originally posted by trick91 View Post
                    Yes cause the district is done.
                    And how, exactly will they address the points I made in my post?

                    ​​​​​​Widows covered in vinyl. The south side a total dead zone. The casino that just has the door and a small window on the corner. 102 street south of 104th is much the same but with the addition of electrical boxes and signs blocking most of the sidewalk.
                    Will they suddenly create a line of storefronts under the pedway on the south side? Move the electrical boxes? Do tell.

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                    • How many storefronts do you think Edmonton can sustain? What... more Subways, 7/11, nail salons, Tim Hortons...? Brick and mortar outlets are of the dinosaur age hence store closures left to right down south. The latest victim is Pier I Import. Maybe a call centre for online shopping as that is the latest trend.
                      " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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                      • Oh I see. So the solution is to create an "entertainment" district that has an entire block of blank walls and vinyl covered windows.

                        There's a block that you don't need to worry about filling.

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                        • I'm glad you can see. Not every nook and cranny require shops. Part of making a city viable to live is to eradicate slum parcels and built up for continuity. Ensuring areas cannot foster devious act.

                          Im perplex with your brain and how you think. You expect perfection in one shot. Perhaps you should start running for office and put your genious mind into something more affective than come online and express your conniption. When population increases, I'm sure residential will be built up north of that where potential shops can be added. You want, want, want for the sake of wanting? East of the rink, we have a social agency that have people conglomeration in that space that wont spent, so lets put shops up there? The area is also in construction mode. Let's reassess after that.
                          " The strength of a man is in the stride he walks."

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                          • Foster devious acts? Really? That's why they've got a block with no street interaction? Let's not give anyone a reason to go there so that way they won't do anything bad? Really?

                            No, I don't expect perfection in one shot. But I do expect a project that talks about "vibrancy" not to basically kill of a block in order to drive traffic into a privately owned space, away from the rest of downtown.

                            I'm not talking about east or north from the arena, I'm talking about the block between the arena and the rest of the district. 104 ave is basically dead to pedestrians there. And the pedway is a big part of why.

                            102 street, the sidewalks have become an obstacle course with electrical boxes and signage taking up large parts of the sidewalk, taking away any incentive for people to walk there.

                            Yes, let's talk about it AFTER all the work is done. After all, it only took 40 years to talk about correcting the problems around Northlands Coliseum. So let's talk again in 2055.

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                            • Well my question is if there is any plans for any businesses on the south face of the Stantec tower?
                              LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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                              • Originally posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
                                Well my question is if there is any plans for any businesses on the south face of the Stantec tower?
                                they are available for lease. interesting to note they have pending tenants for tower B as well listed:





                                http://oneproperties.com/ice-district/
                                http://oneproperties.com/wp-content/...19-Low-Res.pdf

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