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  • ^the big difference in Calgary, is Calgary has prioritized the land to be developed and restricted in some areas. For example, in Calgary, there would be a restriction on Windermere going any further until the SE or NE go out just as much. They are trying to discourage flight to elite suburbs (as they want more infill to take that market), yet retain affordable neighbourhoods growth. Its a big part of why Calgary has far more infill than Edmonton.

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    • Originally posted by moahunter View Post
      ^the big difference in Calgary, is Calgary has prioritized the land to be developed and restricted in some areas. For example, in Calgary, there would be a restriction on Windermere going any further until the SE or NE go out just as much. They are trying to discourage flight to elite suburbs (as they want more infill to take that market), yet retain affordable neighbourhoods growth. Its a big part of why Calgary has far more infill than Edmonton.
      I'm on board with that to a degree, and it's something that the city could do right now if they wanted. Just stop approving new neighbourhoods. It's not like developers are just running out in to a field with a flag and declaring them new suburbs. There are plenty of hoops to jump through as it is. Someone with the power to do so just needs to step up and be the one to say no.

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      • So jaerdo, it seems you are wrong, so you changed the goal posts again.

        http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-officials-say

        Calgary works in a unicity model quite nicely. We are a different beast with regional partners and a very decentralized work force. Youve yet to explain why you want to force people to commute longer distances by forcing them into infill in the core.
        A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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        • Using the word sprawl is like calling oilsands tarsands.

          I prefer the words smart growth. Our regional partners through the crb have agreed to where the priority growth areas should be and the city aligns to this concept
          A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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          • ^^^^ Calgary closed the barn door after the horses had left on that one. To the east, they stopped at the TUC in the 1980s, while continuing to sprawl to the north, west and especially the south. Stoney trail is within 10 km of the city center on the east side and there is still no development outside of it, while in the south they are more than 20 km from the city center. They also pushed right up against the Tsuu Tina reserve in the 1980s, making it very expensive for the province to finish the ring road.

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            • ^its still helped though, unlike Edmonton, they have decided to fix the problem and move in the right direction. There is a reason Shane Homes was so mad with Nenshi. There are lots of sprawl speculators around Calgary who are sitting on land, that it will be decades before gets developed, because of the policies they are following. By contrast, in Edmonton, they can start whenever they want, and not surprisingly, the starting happens most where the profits/prices are the biggest (SW), not where the city actually should grow thinking from an urban development perspective. Calgary has taken the first steps towards sustainability, and the sky didn't fall in, rather, they got a lot of infill built, and East Village well under way. Even UDI is starting to get on board now.
              Last edited by moahunter; 14-01-2016, 11:53 AM.

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              • We've got 40+ years of build out on the fringes already approved. Even if we put the brakes on it now it'll take a long time to bring the freight train to a stop.
                Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                • The whole S end of Edmonton is growing because that's where the majority of the work force is. It's not just the SW portion where they "can get the most money."
                  The SW is a desirable area for people to live in because its close to the river valley, but one only needs to drive down Ellersile to realize that all of the South of Edmonton is being developed.

                  It's not a surprise that moahunter has shown up to give love to the city he works and resides in, and act like it doesn't sprawl from Olds to Airdire and Cochrane to Saskatchewan.
                  A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                  • Originally posted by moahunter View Post
                    ^the big difference in Calgary, is Calgary has prioritized the land to be developed and restricted in some areas. For example, in Calgary, there would be a restriction on Windermere going any further until the SE or NE go out just as much. They are trying to discourage flight to elite suburbs (as they want more infill to take that market), yet retain affordable neighbourhoods growth. Its a big part of why Calgary has far more infill than Edmonton.
                    I would argue Calgary has more infill than Edmonton because it has a far higher proportion of it's high income earners working downtown and thus wanting a short commute, while also having the money to afford infill.
                    The heat map for Edmonton high incomes is far more spread out.

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                    • Id also argue that many people dont work downtown like they do in Calgary, and rather on the fringes of the city, living in the core would mean commuting further for them, and most of these work locations are not that transit friendly.
                      Calgary has a workforce in excess of 250000 people in downtown, Edmonton is a stretch to get to 80000.
                      A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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