Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

737 max 8

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Not much point in building more airplanes that aren't allowed to fly, until they get the other ones fixed.

    Comment


    • How Boeing, in their rush to get the 737 Max to market, impacts the GDP.

      ​​​​​​
      Boeing's 737 Max debacle could cut 0.5 percentage points from US GDP

      ​​​​​​Boeing's recent decision to pause 737 Max production will cut 0.5 percentage points from gross-domestic-product growth in the first quarter of 2020, JPMorgan said Tuesday.

      The model is Boeing's bestselling product, and the production cut will have a material effect on GDP by pulling inventory growth lower, JPMorgan's chief US economist, Michael Feroli, said in a note.

      Feroli estimated earlier in 2019 that a complete production halt would wipe 0.6 percentage points from GDP growth in the next quarter. Boeing has since cut 737 Max production to 42 a month from 52, a shift that accounts for the small adjustment in the hit to GDP growth, Feroli wrote.

      https://markets.businessinsider.com/...-12-1028769614

      Comment


      • The ripple effect of the 737 Max.

        Boeing's 737 Max woes will last for several more years
        ​​​​​​
        Boeing's 737 Max crisis keeps getting worse and worse. And there is no clear end in sight.

        In March, following the second of two fatal crashes that killed a total of 346 people, Boeing promised a fix would be in place "in the coming weeks." The company was wrong on the timing, and now there's no telling when the 737 Max jets will fly again.

        On Monday, the company suspended production of the jets. While the planes may be airborne sooner, analysts estimate that it could be well into 2022, maybe even 2023, before Boeing is able to put its 737 Max problems behind it.

        https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/busin...ook/index.html
        And a reminder of Trump's advice just after the second crash. Add some bells and whistles and change the name so that people don't confuse the post-crash Max with the pre-crash Max.


        ​​​​​​“What do I know about branding, maybe nothing (but I did become President!), but if I were Boeing, I would FIX the Boeing 737 MAX, add some additional great features, & REBRAND the plane with a new name,” Trump tweeted. “No product has suffered like this one. But again, what the hell do I know?”

        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...37-max-rebrand

        Comment


        • FI are still showing KEF-YEG using the 737-8 Max as of 2020 June 01 to replace the 757-200. If is true that AC has trained pilots to manually manage the automated Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System has AC returned all of its fleet of 737-8 Max to service? If not why not? It would be unfortunate to have FI pull the YEG flight if their pilots are not trained or the planes are not returned to service by 01 June.

          Comment


          • Airlines cannot return the 737 Max to flight status until the FAA/Transport Canada/Other regulatory bodies certify it as airworthy. The decision is out of the airlines hands. Putting the certification process into the hands of Boeing is what got us into this situation in the first place. Boeing wanted to beat Airbus to market with their new long range, narrow body plane. It cost hundreds of lives and now, as the stories above show, millions if not billions of dollars

            Comment


            • My neighbour is an Air Canada pilot and trainer. Over the next 3 months, he is helping to train 150 AC pilots on the Airbus 300 series of airliners. A very intensive program never attempted before but necessary due to the Boeing Max fiasco.
              Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

              Comment


              • According to a whistleblower, it's not just the 737 MAX

                Veteran Boeing manager was transferred to 787 production; based on he saw there, he won't fly in a Dreamliner and begs his family not to

                Barnett's description of the safety issues is terrifying. For example, the process of tightening the titanium nuts on the floorboard-bolts caused 3"-long, razor sharp titanium slivers to cascade into the compartment where all the sensitive avionics wiring ran. Though the FAA eventually ordered Boeing to stop shipping planes whose wiring compartments were full of loose, razor-sharp metal shards, the company had already shipped 800 planes by that point and has not recalled any of them, so every Dreamliner in the sky today has this problem. Some of these shards have already caused fires in 787s. He also says that 25% of the oxygen mask systems are defective, and that the planes had a large number of parts that were known to be defective at the time that they were installed, but that the company installed them anyway so they could meet their production deadlines.

                The interview is genuinely chilling, and it puts the scandal of Boeing's lethal 737 planes in perspective as not an unfortunate design error, but the actions of a company that is essentially self-regulating, where production quotas matter more than safety because managers are rewarded for meeting deadlines, but never punished for cutting corners on our safety.

                https://boingboing.net/2019/12/02/ra..._nrn1E06bgTKd4

                Comment


                • “Instead of going back to the drawing board and getting the airframe hardware right, Boeing relied on something called the ‘Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System,’ or MCAS,” he writes.

                  Put very crudely, this was a software fix for a hardware problem—and one that was far from perfect. In Travis’ estimation, the software relied on the wrong systems and sensors, without cross-checking them against other easily accessible information from the plane’s sensors. “None of the above should have passed muster,” he writes. “None of the above should have passed the ‘OK’ pencil of the most junior engineering staff.”
                  https://qz.com/1776080/how-the-mcdon...=pocket-newtab

                  Earlier in this thread I made a comment about the way the flight control software for the Maxx could have been cobbled together. I was criticized for mischaracterizing the way softrware is designed and assembled. Admittedly I wrote it with some sarcasm but knowing the way corners can be cut I wasn't too far off the mark. So basically they decided they could take a gee whiz piece of software and just throw it into the aircraft to correct for an inadequately engineered air frame in the hopes that it could overcome its shortcomings and without the proper integration testing.

                  Did my dog just fall into a pothole???

                  Comment


                  • Unfortunately for Boeing, this isn't a problem that can be "fixed" with software. It would have been nice if they had put in place a "rigorous process" before hundreds of people died in Beoing's rush to market

                    ​​​​​​
                    Boeing has uncovered another potential design flaw with the 737 Max

                    ​​​​​​However, as part of a December audit of the plane's safety ordered by the US Federal Aviation Administration, Boeing (BA) found "previously unreported concerns" with wiring in the 737 Max, according to a report earlier Sunday from the New York Times. The company informed the FAA last month that it is looking into whether two sections of wiring that control the tail of the plane are too close together and could cause a short circuit — and potentially a crash, if pilots did not react appropriately -— the Times reported, citing a senior Boeing engineer and three people familiar with the matter.

                    A Boeing spokesperson confirmed the report to CNN Business on Sunday, saying the issue was identified as part of a "rigorous process" to ensure the plane's safety.

                    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/05/busin...sue/index.html

                    Comment


                    • Boeing Employees Mocked F.A.A. in Internal Messages

                      The most damaging messages included conversations among Boeing pilots and other employees about software issues and other problems with flight simulators for the Max, a plane later involved in two accidents that killed 346 people and threw the company into chaos. The employees appear to discuss instances in which the company concealed such problems from the F.A.A. during the regulator’s certification of the simulators.

                      “I still haven’t been forgiven by God for the covering up I did last year,” one of the employees says in messages from 2018, apparently in reference to interactions with the regulator.

                      “Would you put your family on a Max simulator trained aircraft? I wouldn’t,” one employee said to a colleague in another exchange. “No,” the colleague responded.
                      https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/b...gtype=Homepage
                      I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

                      Comment


                      • Yeah, they regret the comments but not the reasons behind them.

                        'Designed by clowns': Boeing releases flood of troubling internal documents related to 737 Max

                        Some assessments of the 737 Max's design were particularly crass. Messages that were emailed in April 2017, a month after the first version of the plane was certified, show one employee described the airplane as "designed by clowns, who in turn are supervised by monkeys." Another comment added: "**** poor design."

                        Boeing, which also released the documents to the media, said Thursday that the communications "do not reflect the company we are and need to be, and they are completely unacceptable."
                        "We regret the content of these communications, and apologize to the [Federal Aviation Administration], Congress, our airline customers, and to the flying public for them," the company said.​​​​​​

                        ​​​​​​The new jet was intended to be similar enough to require only the tablet-based training to bring pilots up to speed on the differences between the old model and the new one. One email included in Thursday's collection of documents from Boeing's chief technical pilot made it clear how crucial it was to the company that the simulator not be required.

                        "I want to stress the importance of holding firm that there will not be any type of simulator training required to transition" to the Max, the person wrote to Boeing employees in March 2017. "Boeing will not allow that to happen. We'll go face to face with any regulator who tries to make that a requirement."

                        But neither the Max training nor the flight manual disclosed the existence of a stabilization system known as MCAS, which was designed to operate in the background so that the Max, with larger engines and different aerodynamics, would fly similarly to the previous version.

                        https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/09/busin...nts/index.html

                        Comment


                        • Fired Boeing C.E.O. Muilenburg Will Get More Than $60 Million


                          Sick
                          Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

                          Comment


                          • That's $173,000 per dead person.

                            Meanwhile,

                            Boeing faces fine for 737 Max plane 'designed by clowns'

                            ​​​​​​US regulators are seeking to fine Boeing $5.4m (£4.14m) for "knowingly" installing faulty parts on 737 Max planes.

                            The move comes after the release of internal messages that raised more questions about the jet's safety.

                            In one of the communications, an employee said the plane was "designed by clowns".

                            Boeing has been under scrutiny since the fatal crashes of two 737 Max planes, which killed 346 people.

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51058929
                            In other words, their golden parachute for their ex-CEO is more than 10 times the fine for killing over 300 people.

                            Comment


                            • Allowing simulator training would have cut into the bottom line.

                              ​​​​​​Boeing Mocked Lion Air’s Calls for 737 Max Training Before Deadly Crash

                              ​​​​​​Indonesia’s Lion Air considered putting its pilots through simulator training before flying the Boeing Co. 737 Max but abandoned the idea after the planemaker convinced them in 2017 it was unnecessary, according to people familiar with the matter and internal company communications.

                              The next year, 189 people died when a Lion Air 737 Max plunged into the Java Sea, a disaster blamed in part on inadequate training and the crew’s unfamiliarity with a new flight-control feature on the Max that malfunctioned.

                              ---

                              Doing simulator training would have undercut a critical selling point of the jet: that airlines would be able to allow crews trained on an older 737 version to fly the Max after just a brief computer course.

                              https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ng-thwarted-it

                              Comment


                              • The hits keep on coming.

                                Boeing discovers issue with 737 Max flight computers, source says

                                Boeing's troubled 737 Max has run into a new glitch.

                                During a recent technical review involving the Max, Boeing observed an issue with the plane's flight computers, according to a source familiar with the matter.
                                The source said the issue is not related to the software revisions Boeing made to address the cause of two fatal crashes that killed 346 people, and would not occur during flight.

                                https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/17/busin...tch/index.html

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X