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  • #61
    The hourly service idea would take a major cultural shift, but I think a couple trips a day each way is something that could become popular. Why Via doesn't do it? Probably because they struggle to fund the services that they offer now. My hope is that if they actually get funding to build a dedicated Windsor-Quebec corridor so they can maintain a level of service that allows it to become financially sustainable, they'll be able to start turning their attention to other corridors - improving or adding service in other parts of the country. I think if Via is going to survive, they need that corridor to be off of the CN tracks.

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    • #62
      It's kind of a catch-22.

      In order to attract enough ridership, you need to have frequent service, and in order to have frequent service, you need to have high enough ridership.

      A twice daily between the two cities is probably not frequent enough to gather the critical mass needed, an hourly or semi-hourly would be over kill for the demand.
      A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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      • #63
        Acela Express between Boston (4.8 M) and Washington (6.1 M), including stops at Providence (1.6 M), New Haven (0.8 M), New York (23 M), Philadelphia (7.1 M) and Baltimore (9.6 M) is 20 per day. No chance of Edmonton-Calgary approaching anywhere near that frequency.
        Last edited by kkozoriz; 08-05-2018, 01:24 PM.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by IanO View Post
          Triple the population and then we can talk.
          Via Rail currently serves connections like Kingston to Ottawa, Ottawa to QC. So why not Edmonton-Calgary?

          There is a longstanding disparity between how Via Rail services Eastern Canada vs Western Canada.

          Case in point. The Canadian route through to Vancouver often has 25 or more cars in summer. Its a heavily booked route and with international draw. But Via runs 3 trains a week peak season. They could run that every day and get numbers. Comparitively they do the identical schedule on the Ocean, from Montreal to Halifax and with significantly less numbers. I've seen as little as 5 cars on that route. Yet Via provides the same service.

          Via Rail had the opportunity to make the Canadian train a much bigger thing than it is. Many people do not use it as the train frequencies do not match their schedule. Its really hard to match and also because when booking certain times are not available and already all booked. Via is short selling WC, they always have.
          "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Replacement View Post
            Originally posted by IanO View Post
            Triple the population and then we can talk.
            Via Rail currently serves connections like Kingston to Ottawa, Ottawa to QC. So why not Edmonton-Calgary?

            There is a longstanding disparity between how Via Rail services Eastern Canada vs Western Canada.

            Case in point. The Canadian route through to Vancouver often has 25 or more cars in summer. Its a heavily booked route and with international draw. But Via runs 3 trains a week peak season. They could run that every day and get numbers. Comparitively they do the identical schedule on the Ocean, from Montreal to Halifax and with significantly less numbers. I've seen as little as 5 cars on that route. Yet Via provides the same service.

            Via Rail had the opportunity to make the Canadian train a much bigger thing than it is. Many people do not use it as the train frequencies do not match their schedule. Its really hard to match and also because when booking certain times are not available and already all booked. Via is short selling WC, they always have.
            Originally posted by Medwards View Post
            It's kind of a catch-22.

            In order to attract enough ridership, you need to have frequent service, and in order to have frequent service, you need to have high enough ridership.

            A twice daily between the two cities is probably not frequent enough to gather the critical mass needed, an hourly or semi-hourly would be over kill for the demand.
            ...

            Between not enough demand, and the slow service that would be on the existing rail line due to freight always getting track priority...
            A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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            • #66
              Ottawa is on the mainline between Quebec City and Hamilton. It's easier to run a spur off of that than in an area where Viia doesn't have as much of a presence. Add to that the fact that the rail lines into Edmonton are slated to be removed in the Strathcona area and that there's no direct connection to the current Via station and it's harder to make it work

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              • #67
                Originally posted by kkozoriz View Post
                Ottawa is on the mainline between Quebec City and Hamilton. It's easier to run a spur off of that than in an area where Viia doesn't have as much of a presence. Add to that the fact that the rail lines into Edmonton are slated to be removed in the Strathcona area and that there's no direct connection to the current Via station and it's harder to make it work
                Again, no forward vision n this city. Just knee jerk reaction to a perceived problem. So the rail goes and 10 or more years hence, we'll say,wow too bad we removed them.We could have HSR to CGY if we hadn't. As it is, if rail service were to ever return, the terminus would be at the South end of the city as there are no CP lines that run West into Edmonton.
                Make the RIGHT choice before you take your last breath......

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                • #68
                  I was just telling my wife today about riding the dayliner, as we drove past the old station by whyte ave. I used it quite a bit. It was great. With greyhound disappearing it would be nice to have it back.
                  Just enjoying another day in paradise.

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                  • #69
                    Can you imagine the money we have spent on a joke of an LRT if it had been invested in HPR? 2 cities of better than 1 million and we will have no rail or bus between them. I'd love to see this train service return to Alberta.
                    Make the RIGHT choice before you take your last breath......

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                    • #70
                      Do you work for cnr?
                      Just enjoying another day in paradise.

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                      • #71
                        Yes, wouldn't that be nice?

                        If subsidized slow VIA Rail came back, we would lose the Red Arrow service.
                        Travel times would be about the same.
                        Where would the stop in Red Deer be?

                        The CPR corridor needs more grade separations and level crossing closures. While one may think it is not at capacity, it is.

                        Probably worth putting this link here: http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/3940.htm

                        VIA Rail is replacing equipment. RFP will be awarded in December. That means there will be some older train sets coming off-line/surplus.

                        The Canadian that currently comes east-west three times a week (twice in winter) actually pays for itself. No subsidies.

                        I had the opportunity to ride The Ocean this summer from Halifax to Moncton. We had no delays, ran on time, and there were so many passengers the train had to pull out of Halifax and back up to couple additional cars. In Moncton the train was mobbed by close to 200 people looking to get on. This service should never have been cut from daily to 3 times a week and the Renaissance Cars are horrible compared to the old Budd cars.



                        Now, what about using commuter rail in the Edmonton-Leduc Corridor, Calgary-Banff Corridor, or Edmonton-Wabamum corridor as a rapid expressed limited stop LRT to help alleviate traffic congestion?

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Drumbones View Post
                          Do you work for cnr?
                          No. Just someone who loves train travel.
                          Make the RIGHT choice before you take your last breath......

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by David Jackson View Post
                            Yes, wouldn't that be nice?

                            If subsidized slow VIA Rail came back, we would lose the Red Arrow service.
                            Travel times would be about the same.
                            Where would the stop in Red Deer be?

                            The CPR corridor needs more grade separations and level crossing closures. While one may think it is not at capacity, it is.

                            Probably worth putting this link here: http://www.transportation.alberta.ca/3940.htm

                            VIA Rail is replacing equipment. RFP will be awarded in December. That means there will be some older train sets coming off-line/surplus.

                            The Canadian that currently comes east-west three times a week (twice in winter) actually pays for itself. No subsidies.

                            I had the opportunity to ride The Ocean this summer from Halifax to Moncton. We had no delays, ran on time, and there were so many passengers the train had to pull out of Halifax and back up to couple additional cars. In Moncton the train was mobbed by close to 200 people looking to get on. This service should never have been cut from daily to 3 times a week and the Renaissance Cars are horrible compared to the old Budd cars.



                            Now, what about using commuter rail in the Edmonton-Leduc Corridor, Calgary-Banff Corridor, or Edmonton-Wabamum corridor as a rapid expressed limited stop LRT to help alleviate traffic congestion?

                            Why not indeed? 16 in the morning is horrid. The QE2 is no better. If nothing else, a pilot for 6 months to see if it would be feasible.
                            Make the RIGHT choice before you take your last breath......

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                            • #74
                              https://www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-...-manufacturers
                              VIA RAIL ANNOUNCES TRAINSET MANUFACTURERS PARTICIPATING IN THE RFP FOR ITS QUÉBEC CITY-WINDSOR CORRIDOR FLEET

                              Monday, June 18th 2018


                              MONTREAL, June 18, 2018 – VIA Rail Canada (VIA Rail) announced today the names of the shortlisted applicants that will participate in the Request for Proposals (RFP) to manufacture the rolling stock to replace the current fleet that operates in the Quebec City-Windsor Corridor. Today’s announcement is the result of a request for qualification (RFQ) process launched on April 16, 2018 seeking the interest of world-class manufacturers. Qualified companies will have until October 5, 2018 to submit a proposal. The new trainsets will come into service starting in 2022.
                              Qualified companies
                              • Bombardier Transportation Canada Inc.
                              • Siemens Canada Limited
                              • Stadler US Inc.
                              • Talgo Inc.

                              Evaluation of qualification applications
                              In accordance with its day-to-day business practices, VIA Rail conducted a rigorous, fair, open, transparent and free of conflicts of interest confidential analysis of all qualification applications. P1 Consulting, a Canadian leader in fairness monitoring, ensured that the RFQ process was executed with the utmost diligence and fairness.
                              Three evaluation committees, comprised of internal and external evaluators, conducted the application analysis process:
                              1. Technical Committee: Responsible for assessing the technical quality (Applicant Experience; Proposed Solution; and Deliverability) of each application.
                              2. Financial Review Committee: Responsible for assessing the financial capability of companies that submitted an application.
                              3. Conflict of interest Committee : Responsible for managing conflict of interest situations, if any




                              Ethics Commissioner Appointment
                              In the pursuit of the most rigorous governance practices for large procurements, VIA Rail also announced today the appointment of Patrick A. Molinari as the Ethics Commissioner for the Corporation’s procurement process for the Corridor Fleet Renewal. The Ethics Commissioner’s role is to review and investigate allegations of misconduct, suspected wrongdoings or unethical behavior, including fraudulent activities or financial irregularities, misuse of public funds, or allegations of violation of the Corporation’s Code of ethics, and to assist with the fair, equitable and expeditious resolution of these matters related to the Corridor’s Fleet Renewal procurement process.
                              Patrick A. Molinari is professor emeritus of the University of Montreal where he pursued a career from 1977 to 2010 and held the positions of Vice-Rector, Administration, Dean of the Faculty of Law and Director of the Public Law Research Center. He currently practices Government Affairs and Public law with Lavery, a Montreal based firm, and is the President of the Canadian Institute for the Administration of Justice.
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                              "By inviting four world-class train manufacturers to participle in the RFP to replace our corridor fleet, we have reached an important milestone of our transformation plan to lead Canadians towards a more sustainable future. With a brand-new fleet of modern trains to service the Quebec City-Windsor corridor, we will be able to offer our customers a renewed and improved travel experience that will help us convince them to make the smart choice to travel by train. We are also proud to be able to count on the expertise of Patrick A. Molinari to ensure that VIA Rail maintains the level of trust and accountability that Canadians expect from VIA Rail in such an important public procurement."
                              Yves Desjardins-Siciliano
                              President and Chief Executive Officer, VIA Rail Canada

                              About VIA Rail Canada



                              As Canada’s national rail passenger service, VIA Rail (viarail.ca) and all its employees are mandated to provide safe, efficient and economical passenger transportation service, in both official languages of our country. VIA Rail operates intercity, regional and transcontinental trains linking over 400 communities across Canada, and about 180 more communities through intermodal partnerships, and safely transports approximately 4.4 million passengers annually. The Corporation has been awarded five Safety Awards and three Environment Awards by the Railway Association of Canada since 2007. Visit the “About VIA Rail” section at: www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-rail.

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                              • #75
                                https://www.viarail.ca/en/about-via-rail/fleet-renewal

                                There are 96 LRC cars about to come out of service on the Quebec City - Windsor corridor. It is conceivable some of them would go to replace the HEP and Renaissance Cars.

                                Point being, there will be rolling stock available to accomplish the services being desired in Alberta if the freight railways will allow it.

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