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  • EPS Proposes Crime-Tracking Website

    http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...713/story.html

    I think this is an excellent idea from Chief Boyd. It would allow those that care the ability to track crimes in their area, and hopefully result in more awareness of problems. Last year, when I was looking at houses, I visited the local community station to find out what types of crime occurred around the property I was looking at. While the officer gave me a general overview of the area (mostly garage B&Es), I could have gotten specific information off a site like this.

    I think the Police Commission would be crazy not to approve this.

    Gord
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

  • #2
    I'd much rather see EPS funds go towards having teams of officers assigned to every community in Edmonton, and go out and make themselves known as the local police, hand out business cards, get to know the folks in the communities they are tasked with patrolling. Man, what a difference that would make. Imagine instead of needing to "call the cops", you could count on calling "Constable Jones" or whatever. Let them take ownership of their areas.

    I don't want a website that lets me look up crimes, I want more effective policing that makes those stats disappear so no website is needed. It can happen.
    "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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    • #3
      This is why the cheif's idea may be good

      Publish an image of this person

      http://www.canada.com/Police+seeking...929/story.html
      Still waiting for the Arlington site to be reborn .......

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      • #4
        ^Ahhahahahahaha... our justice system is so stupid.
        "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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        • #5
          Generally I think information is a good thing. On the other hand though - the results of this might show that:

          1. Downtown is "dangerous" (even though it is crimes of drunk youths from early in the morning)
          2. Whyte is "dangerous" (like 1)
          3. Rich suburbs are "safe".
          4. Poor suburbs are "not safe"
          5. Rich inner city is "safe"
          6. Poor inner city is "really really dangerous" (at least, comparatively)

          And of course, all of that could be skewed to favor one or another depending on which crimes are "crimes" and which ones are not (for example, graffiti? vandalism? Domestic violence? etc.). It might just open a can of worms / scare people away from some areas where we most need people to return.
          Last edited by moahunter; 03-06-2009, 01:05 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Chmilz View Post
            I'd much rather see EPS funds go towards having teams of officers assigned to every community in Edmonton, and go out and make themselves known as the local police, hand out business cards, get to know the folks in the communities they are tasked with patrolling. Man, what a difference that would make. Imagine instead of needing to "call the cops", you could count on calling "Constable Jones" or whatever. Let them take ownership of their areas.

            I don't want a website that lets me look up crimes, I want more effective policing that makes those stats disappear so no website is needed. It can happen.
            I like this idea. If I had someone's card and had met them, i'd be more inclined to call them up about a concern or non-emergency situation. I don't know what the number is for the community line of the local cop shop. Yes, I know it's somewhere in the phonebook.

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            • #7
              ^Exactly. Anonymity belongs on internet forums, not in our police force. Imagine folks in the community had a relationship with their local police team? Imagine your local police were empathetic to the smaller things that happened in their zones, like graffiti, vandalism, and harassment?

              Here's some math for you numbers folks: Break up Edmonton into 100 policing zones, have 6 officers per zone (3 shifts of 2 officers working 8 hours each, 12 hours if needed for vacation coverage, etc). That's only 600 of our what, 1500 cops? Each team would be responsible for about 7500 residents... about the same as the average family doctor right now. The physical boundaries would be small, so response times would be fast, especially in dense areas where the boundaries would be smaller. The remaining officers would remain in specific teams: traffic, homicide, gangs, drugs, commercial, etc. Call me crazy, but I'd enjoy knowing the local police... and they'd quickly learn the trouble spots and be able to focus their efforts on community policing.
              "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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              • #8
                Originally posted by moahunter View Post
                And of course, all of that could be skewed to favor one or another depending on which crimes are "crimes" and which ones are not (for example, graffiti? vandalism? Domestic violence? etc.)
                The type of crimes were outlined in the article:

                People will be able to search for eight crimes that police track: murder, robbery, sexual assault, assault, break and enter, theft from auto, theft of auto and theft over $5,000.
                As for getting to know your local police - have you guys ever been to your local station? Drop by some time, chat with the officers and maybe consider signing up to volunteer in the station (then you can REALLY get to know the local officers).

                As for taking away from police resources, it wasn't explained how this site would be updated. It could easily be done by volunteers at the community stations, or volunteers at the divisional stations. I volunteered at a station for 3 years, and I'd often stick different colored stickers on a map of the area which corresponded to various crimes. I would have LOVED to do that on a computer instead. All it would take is a database feeding Google Maps and the whole thing could be done by filling out a couple of fields. Actually, they could probably write something that pulled the addresses right out of the police computer and dropped it onto a map.

                Gord
                They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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                • #9
                  Looks like the crime tracking site is going to launch on Thursday (if approved):
                  http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Polic...305/story.html

                  Gord
                  They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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                  • #10
                    I'm not sure how this website is going to reduce crime.
                    I would much rather have an officer patroling 95 street, than have a website I can go check to see what crime has occured.

                    In my experience with the EPs - (which is limited.) I have found that the police don't use the residents/citizens to assist them. I have had "communitiy officers" say that they don't know where the issues are in the neighbourhoods.

                    I would suggest in "inner city" neighbourhoods many residents could point out the "problem" homes or identify who the "prostitutes" are.

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                    • #11
                      The website itself won't reduce crime. It allows people to get a better sense of what's happening in their communities. If I look on the crime tracking site and notice that my area has a lot of car break-ins, and a few days later I see someone I don't know poking around a car on my block, I'm less likely to dismiss the activity, and more likely to investigate it.

                      I used to live in a condo building, and I was extremely frustrated to find out that some of the storage lockers were broken into one day. Thieves hit 16 of them one afternoon, but after talking to people about the incident I discovered 3 people had their cars broken into a couple of weeks earlier, and one person had his bike stolen. Had the condo board made people aware that these other incidents had occurred then maybe everyone would have been more vigilant in protecting the building, and the people who broke into the storage lockers wouldn't have gained access to the building (undoubtedly someone let them walk in after they buzzed into the building).

                      It's too easy to close our eyes and think everything is fine just because we haven't been affected by crime. This site, if used properly, will make us more aware of what goes on around us.

                      Gord
                      They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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                      • #12
                        I sure hope this had prior approval by the commission to go forward, doesn't make any sense to do all the work and then ask permission.

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                        • #13
                          Well, it's up, and the site is very cool. You can get information on 8 different types of crimes, but you can also get a monthly breakdown of the crimes in a community from 2007 on. I'm very impressed by this (crap, looks like there was a theft from vehicle on my street the other day).

                          Gord
                          They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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                          • #14
                            Why don't they have one for theft under $5000? So you could see if things like bikes were being stolen. My parents just had both of their bikes stolen, and it doesn't seem to fit into any of the categories, so it won't be listed.

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                            • #15
                              ^It seems to be a dependant on how the complaint was registered and the circumstances surrounding it.

                              I know of two instances on our street: One where a lady didn't lock the doors of her car, and some CD's were taken, and another where a bike was stolen from inside of a garage. Both show up on here, as "Theft from Vehicle Under" and "Break & Enter Private Garage"

                              P.S. Going through and noting the undesirable neighbourhoods right now so I can avoid them.

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