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  • Must have budget room from all the equalization money that pours into their province that cities in paying provinces don't get.

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    • Yeah, would you like a glass for all that whine? All the private businesses like malls, plazas, offices and condos pay out of their own pocket to have all the snow cleared within hours. Unless you are SNC, I highly doubt that any companies get transfer dollars to pay for their snow removal.

      Just different priorities.
      Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 14-02-2019, 08:54 AM.
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      • Yeah, really it is just a matter of priorities. When it snows 40cm everything has to be cleared.

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        • I'm going to go out on limb and say that's probably easier to clear 40 cm all at once than it is it deal wit 2-4 cms every few days for a month.

          Montreal still far exceeds what we do here. They have an app to notify users, they have parking restrictions that are followed and enforced, vehicles are actually towed. They have daytime operations and nighttime operations. When a parking ban is declared, they offer free parking at major transit centers, and other places.
          A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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          • http://ville.montreal.qc.ca/snowremoval/operations-delais

            Snow removal operations


            There are four stages of snow removal:
            SaltingSalting consists of spreading salt and/or gravel on roads and sidewalks according to weather conditions. An average of 140,000 tonnes of salt and abrasives are used each winter. To clear the entire city, some 180 vehicles are used for roads and 190 for sidewalks.PlowingPlowing consists of moving snow to the sides of streets and sidewalks. It makes it possible for car and pedestrian traffic to resume quickly. There are 1,000 vehicles for plowing streets and sidewalks (sidewalk tractors, graders, snowplows and front-end loaders). Plowing begins as soon as there is 2.5 cm of snow on the ground and continues as long as the storm lasts, ending several hours after the snow stops falling.LoadingSnow loading involves picking up snow that was plowed to the side of the road during the loading operations. Snow loading depends on the amount of snow that has fallen, as well as the weather forecast.Since the winter of 2014, Montréal has used specialized software that feeds the INFO-Neige application (available on the AppleStore and GooglePlay) using open data. The app, which was developed by Sidekick Interactive, helps to accelerate snow loading operations by notifying residents about parking restrictions and places where they can move their car.
            DisposalDuring a snow removal operation, trucks take snow to one of several disposal sites.The average volume of snow taken to disposal sites per year is 12 million cubic metres – 300,000 truckloads. Meltwater from disposal sites is recovered and treated according to environmental standards.Since the winter of 2014, Montréal has used specialized management software to optimize snow removal operations (loading, transportation and elimination) and monitor billing.
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            • Originally posted by Medwards View Post
              I'm going to go out on limb and say that's probably easier to clear 40 cm all at once than it is it deal wit 2-4 cms every few days for a month.

              Montreal still far exceeds what we do here. They have an app to notify users, they have parking restrictions that are followed and enforced, vehicles are actually towed. They have daytime operations and nighttime operations. When a parking ban is declared, they offer free parking at major transit centers, and other places.
              In Montreal there is a lot of snow removal bidding corruption (they make movies about it)


              https://www.mtlblog.com/news/enterta...afia-in-quebec
              https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...bout-collusion
              https://www.theglobeandmail.com/cana...rest-but-slow/

              and Montreal has screwed up on several events (notably https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...real-snowstorm ) but overall, it get done quickly and they get out early during the storm to keep traffic moving. Better to do a quick plow when 15cm falls at midnight and 15cm at 6am before the rush hour and finish up after the storm.

              It is the same amount of snow and you can do a fast job as it falls rather than bogging down and try to remove 40 cm all in one shot. Especially if you end up with stuck cars all over the place.

              As I have always stated, getting the equipment out during the storm and declaring a snow route ban early rather than waiting for the last snowflake falls, reduces the time it takes to clean up and possibly be caught with another storm a few days later.
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              • Unforunately, our policy is different than theirs. I'm curious about their budget for this versus ours.
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                • Taxes are high in Montreal. Gotta pay the mafia and their beholden politicians...
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                  • doesn't sound very economical, though it maybe effective and efficient.
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                    • ^You know that old saying: Pick two!
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                      • Don't mind paying a bit more for snow removal. Edmonton's snow removal budget has always been underfunded based on an almost farcical belief that winter won't happen.

                        With climate change, expect more snow and more frequent storms.

                        Likewise, Vancouver's snow removal "fleet" was all prepared in the fall. https://vancouversun.com/news/local-...2018-19-season



                        Snow removal standards set to increase on Malahat, Pat Bay with new contracts
                        https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/s...acts-1.4296118
                        Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 14-02-2019, 12:15 PM.
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                        • Don't mess with a snow plow in Montreal.

                          https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1611723
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                          • ^^^^^^.
                            Noah's ark was built by volunteers...... The Titanic was built by professionals.

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                            • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                              Don't mess with a snow plow in Montreal.

                              https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1611723
                              I actually wish this would occur here with all the obviously winter abandoned vehicles that sit out on streets in this city all winter long and nothing done about it. Its pretty obvious when theres months long snow/ice accumulations on a vehicle. Or the people like in the video that blatantly ignore snow removal signs, bans, indications. We've had neighbors who actually park the car on the street with the plows clearing the road. With the attention span of goldfish.
                              "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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                              • Councillor Andrew Knack was interviewed on CHED this morning. Part of the interview dealt with snow removal, and how expensive it is here compared to other cities, like Ottawa and Winnipeg. Councillor Knack made a good point, brought up here before, that affects both the cost, like he mentioned, and the speed of plowing/removal, which this thread is mostly about. Most of the other cities have boulevards to place the snow on. You can store snow all winter on them, and the same equipment used to clear the roads can also be used to move the snow onto the boulevards immediately thereafter. Those boulevards are missing in many parts of Edmonton. And city rules mean you can't narrow the road more then a bus width with left over snow, which means most times the snow has to be picked up immediately when there's no boulevard. So you have to coordinate the snow clearing equipment with another whole crew of snow throwers and snow removal trucks, and add in the travel time it takes for limited supply of trucks to go back and forth to the snow storage facilities. I'm not excusing the city being slower then it has to be in many cases, but this seems to explain part of it. I'd be curious what the direct breakdown would be between the cost and time of clearing a boulevard-less stretch of road in Edmonton versus a boulevard-ed stretch in Winnipeg.

                                It also explains why the City Administration was so willing to overlook the potential damage to concrete and cars from the calcium chloride; the more snow you can melt away, the less equipment and time required to haul it away, and the better there yearly books look. Until the councillors called them on it after finding out about it, the bureaucracy was content to overlook the long term damage in favour of a lower yearly snow clearing budget.

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