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  • #31
    Originally posted by moahunter View Post
    ^Hate to break to you, but you are already on film (or hard drive) all over the place right now, stores, parkades, all sorts of businesses use cameras both inside, and outside, the premises.
    Cameras observing private property are not the same as cameras observing public spaces.
    Strathcona City Separatist

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    • #32
      ^How so? I think you will find many business cameras at the moment are observing public places in front of stores. That's going to become more and more frequent. It sort of makes sense to centralize the system, increase coverage, share the costs, and put some controls on it (of which there are none right now).

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Komrade View Post
        Cameras do nothing. Show me statistics where proving they prevent crime! They don’t! And show me the statistics proving that camera have helped catch people after the fact! Plain and simple, they don’t. The numbers are not there.

        Supporting cameras is supporting an increase in the surveillance/orwellian state of the world we live in.

        You want crime to be prevented -> more beat cops
        You want an illusion of safety and a slow decay of personal liberty -> more cameras
        Good points. I haven't seen any numbers. However, I would think that photos could also possibly prevent some cases of mistaken identity since witnesses often make very poor witnesses.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by KC View Post
          Good points. I haven't seen any numbers. However, I would think that photos could also possibly prevent some cases of mistaken identity since witnesses often make very poor witnesses.
          I agree, but do not think my civil liberty is worth the possibility of a bad guy maybe getting caught.
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          • #35
            ^So do you refuse to walk on the street outside stores today because they are filimng you? Give me a break. Being an annomynous figure on a hard drive doesn't offend anyones civil liberty, anymore than somebody taking a photo of me on the street with their cell phone does.

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            • #36
              So it looks like five years later my suggestion has pretty much suffered from technological obsolescence - at least where there are bystanders.



              Mob rules in attack on Vancouver rioters
              BY EZRA LEVANT,QMI AGENCY
              TUESDAY, JUNE 21, 2011

              http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/06/2...couver-rioters

              excerpt:
              "But Findlay did use the word “mob.” Not to describe his client, though.
              Findlay used the word mob to describe the citizens on Facebook who took Kotylak’s photo, and then identified and condemned him."

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              • #37
                Dash cams are great! - Again - they are essentially unmonitored so they need a complaint or something to trigger a review of the recording.


                Madison police officer accused of injuring elderly man charged w - ABC 33/40 - Birmingham News, Weather, Sports

                http://www.abc3340.com/story/2809919...fired-arrested


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                ...and of course *****'s friend's with smartphone cameras at the ready are also good for viral embarrassment of the *****.

                'Don't be a f****** wido!' Watch annoying teen get just desserts for throwing chips at McDonald's customer
                14:09, 12 February 2015 By Ian Hughes

                "The tables were dramatically turned on Kieran Taylor, when the woman's friend marched over and grabbed him by the throat - leaving him close to tears"


                http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...151992#rlabs=2


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                Last edited by KC; 13-02-2015, 07:38 AM.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by KC View Post
                  Yes - almost verbatim. The "God Bless You" at the very end was a real tip off - but still - a lot of people hit hard times and others will never be "employable" so a few bucks out of my pocket may keep them from committing some crime to put 'whatever' on their table.

                  (Of course - some people are just "takers" - but I figure the best ones are always very gainfully employed.)
                  A lot of times they have addictions and if you give them money it only goes to feed that addiction. If you want to help the poor give to charities, don't give to panhandlers.

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                  • #39
                    Sorry, I just realized that was an EXTREMELY old post I quoted. Please disregard

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Mla View Post
                      Sorry, I just realized that was an EXTREMELY old post I quoted. Please disregard
                      That's alright, I think it's quite ok to quote old posts, old people and even long dead people. While we are stuck in the moment, not all issues are.

                      (Though I do understand how hard it is to break away from our pre-internet conception of the world.)

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                      • #41
                        It seems in the last few years cellphone cameras are turning up all kinds of things like police brutality etc.

                        Here we have a couple videos creating interesting reactions...
                        Why did an Edmonton bus driver kick a student off his bus?
                        http://globalnews.ca/video/2029908/w...nt-off-his-bus
                        NEWS | Jun 2, 2015 | 0:25
                        Watch as student hits bus driver with bag
                        http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada...ID/2668654946/

                        And more...

                        Student threatened violence before driver threw him off school bus: company

                        Emily Mertz By Emily Mertz
                        Web Producer Global News
                        http://globalnews.ca/news/2029113/bu...ical-violence/
                        Last edited by KC; 02-06-2015, 06:19 AM.

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                        • #42
                          People are going to be yearning for the good old days when only the police and the judge saw the CATV videos...

                          (Walmart too. Watch for ads to appear soon trying to upgrade the public image of the Walmart shopper.)


                          Tuesday, June 9, 2015
                          2 women brawl inside Walmart; Police investigating child involvement (VIDEO)
                          http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/indian...ild-kid/nmY3d/


                          Walmart Fight Between 2 Women And Kid VIDEO "White Trash" Walmart Fight Beech Grove Indiana
                          https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UKF4ZKt_M1M


                          I'm shocked...

                          Shocking video shows violent road rage brawl in Los Angeles
                          June 9, 2015
                          http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/nation...#__federated=1


                          Shocking video shows two men brawl on train after row over feet on glass partition
                          9 JUNE 2015
                          http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...wo-men-5853645


                          Shocking video shows family terrorised by bikers
                          June 9, 2015
                          https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/28...sed-by-bikers/


                          Shocking Video Shows Police's Horrifying Response to Being Filmed by an Innocent Bystander
                          June 08, 2015
                          http://mic.com/articles/120296/shock...d-pepper-spray


                          WATCH: Shocking video shows child tossed off school
                          May 31, 2015
                          http://globalnews.ca/news/2027777/wa...er-pulls-away/
                          Last edited by KC; 10-06-2015, 12:13 AM.

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                          • #43
                            I don't know if I agree. I'm happy there are more cameras out there. I just wish people wouldn't doctor them and try and pass it off like they sometimes do.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Mla View Post
                              I don't know if I agree. I'm happy there are more cameras out there. I just wish people wouldn't doctor them and try and pass it off like they sometimes do.
                              Or only show part of the video to alter its context.

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                              • #45
                                I'm game for camera's everywhere as long as they're everywhere. Particularly inside police stations.

                                "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong"

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