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    Oh look, hopes and prayers again. There, that'll solve it.

    Remember when Trump threatened Clinton with "second amendment people"? Well there ya go.

    LIVE COVERAGE: Senator says ‘many deaths’ after mass shooting at Florida high school

    Margate Fire Rescue had deemed the shooting a mass casualty incident.


    Police said a suspect is in custody. The suspect, who has not been named, is a male student and his social media activity indicates he is a member of “a number of gun groups,” according to Fox News.

    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/lea...a-high-school/
    UPDATE:

    18th school shooting of the year (45th day of the year). 17 confirmed dead.

    What we know about the school shooting in Broward County, Florida
    This is the 18th school shooting in 2018 so far.

    Multiple outlets have identified the shooter as 19-year-old Nick Cruz, a former student that may been identified a potential threat to fellow students in the past, according to one teacher.


    “We were told last year that he wasn’t allowed on campus with a backpack on him,” said one of Cruz’s former math teachers to the Miami Herald. “There were problems with him last year threatening students, and I guess he was asked to leave campus.”

    https://thinkprogress.org/what-we-kn...-a16774c868d3/

    Last edited by kkozoriz; 14-02-2018, 04:07 PM.

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    Meanwhile, Trump's (& MrNazi's good friend Alex Jones did this just after the school shooting today.


    Internet rains hell on ‘piece of sh*t’ Alex Jones for tweeting photos of anti-‘snowflake’ gun during deadly school shooting

    In the midst of a deadly school shooting in Parkland, Florida, InfoWars host Alex Jones tweeted two close-up photos of a gun etched with epithets about “snowflakes,” “unicorns” and “libturds.” It was accompanied only by a heart-eyes emoji



    https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/int...hool-shooting/

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    • #3
      What Trump's "Thoughts and prayers" really mean.
      Trump's Budget Cuts Millions Of Dollars From Gun Background Check System

      President Donald Trump’s newly unveiled budget would cut millions of dollars from the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, which gun dealers use to verify if someone is banned from buying a gun before selling it to them.


      Buried on Page 719 of his fiscal year 2019 budget, released Monday, the president calls for cuts to the National Criminal Records History Improvement Program and the NICS Act Record Improvement Program. Both provide federal grants to states to help them improve their reporting of criminal records and protection orders to the national database for background checks, including domestic violence records.


      The two programs are currently funded at $73 million. Trump’s budget proposal for the fiscal year that begins Oct. 1 would slash their funding to $61 million, which amounts to a 16 percent cut.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/t...b0774f31d1b770

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      • #4
        After seeing this picture, I just realized again that today is Valentines Day.



        It is supposed to be a happy day of love and friendship. Today, many children will come home in coffins on this tragic Valentine's Day School Slaughter.

        Our hearts are filled with sorrow and openly wonder when the People will force the Government to change the lax gun laws laws and violent mentality that permeates the American society.

        They did not act after Aurora. They did not act after Sandy Hook. they did not act after Las Vegas. I highly doubt that Congress will act with a President who refuses to act like an adult.
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        • #5
          That shooter was expelled from school for causing lots of trouble. He was caught bringing bullets to school. He was reported to the FBI back in September for posting a YouTube video saying he was going to shoot up the school (his video was only taken down last night). He also allegedly has some ties to a violent white supremacist group.

          Is it really a shock that he followed through with shooting up this school? How many red flags did the authorities need to keep an eye on this deranged lunatic?

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          • #6
            No matter who or what, we all know nothing's going to change and no doubt gun sales will increase again. Hopeless.
            Nisi Dominus Frustra

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            • #7
              Originally posted by howie View Post
              No matter who or what, we all know nothing's going to change and no doubt gun sales will increase again. Hopeless.
              Yes, there will be a few days of politicians and others wringing their hands and saying how sad it is. Then some other news story will come up to take our attention away from this and nothing will be done. In a few weeks or months - repeat all this again. Its the American way.

              I know they do not spend a lot of the time thinking about what the rest of the world thinks about them, but this is one of the reasons many people around the world think the US is so silly. We don't all think of them being this great, successful country that they still imagine themselves to be, but rather a place to be dealt with carefully or avoided.

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              • #8
                Meanwhile, the Florida shooter is a Trump supporter who hates Muslims.
                'What does Allahu Akbar mean?': Disturbing Instagram posts of Florida school shooting suspect who wore Trump 'Make America Great Again' hat

                Florida school shooter suspect Nicolas Cruz posed in a 'Make America Great Again' hat - the slogan made famous by US President Donald Trump.


                The 19-year-old also Googled "what does Allahu Akbar mean?", liked to wear "extreme" patriotic shirts and "hated on Islam", according to reports.


                Student Ocean Parodie, 17, told The Daily Beast Cruz would mock Muslims as "terrorists and bombers".


                "I've seen him wear a Trump hat," she said.


                Heavy reports Cruz wore the "MAGA" cap in an Instagram profile picture verified to the 19-year-old which has now been taken down.


                In the picture, Cruz looks at the camera with almost all of his face covered by a scarf.


                The red hat is perched on his head with the Trump campaign's iconic words blazoned across the front.


                According to reports, Cruz also uploaded a screenshot of a 'what does allahu akbar mean' Google search to his Instagram.


                The picture was uploaded in 2015 with the caption: "Well at least we now know what it means when a sand durka says ‘allahu Akbar’ ??????"

                https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-new...-wore-12030404
                So, the "mentally ill" defense would seem to apply simply for being a Trump supporter.

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                • #9
                  And from The Associated Press.

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                  • #10
                    It is sad state of affairs that school have to have 'active shooter' drills.

                    Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                    That shooter was expelled from school for causing lots of trouble. He was caught bringing bullets to school. He was reported to the FBI back in September for posting a YouTube video saying he was going to shoot up the school (his video was only taken down last night). He also allegedly has some ties to a violent white supremacist group.

                    Is it really a shock that he followed through with shooting up this school? How many red flags did the authorities need to keep an eye on this deranged lunatic?
                    ^The authorities have their hands tied.

                    He had no criminal history. What do you expect to see the police to do, throw him into prison on suspicion that he might do something? The police can't even take his gun away.


                    A Congressman told reporters that he regularly goes to buildings where you have to press a button while being watched on CCTV , to get into the first door. Then you have to do the same through the second door. Then you meet the security guard, show your ID, go through a metal detector, get a badge etc. etc. etc. This wacko Congressman was suggesting that they do this at schools.

                    Right, 2000+ students who come in and out at different times, with multiple entrances, outdoor sports activities, and the simple fact that someone can jam a fire exit door and the shooter can enter at will. The cost of prison style security would cost hundreds of billions to install and billions more in security staffing yet most schools have not even enough money to pay their teachers or maintain the existing facilities.

                    Let's blame the schools, let's blame the shooter, let's blame the authorities, let's blame mental health issues.

                    Just don't blame the fact that a teenager can legally buy a military grade automatic weapon before he can buy a drink, and easier than getting a drivers licence.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                      Just don't blame the fact that a teenager can legally buy a military grade automatic weapon before he can buy a drink, and easier than getting a drivers licence.
                      That doesn't sound like a "fact" at all.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Dave View Post
                        Originally posted by howie View Post
                        No matter who or what, we all know nothing's going to change and no doubt gun sales will increase again. Hopeless.
                        Yes, there will be a few days of politicians and others wringing their hands and saying how sad it is. Then some other news story will come up to take our attention away from this and nothing will be done. In a few weeks or months - repeat all this again. Its the American way.

                        I know they do not spend a lot of the time thinking about what the rest of the world thinks about them, but this is one of the reasons many people around the world think the US is so silly. We don't all think of them being this great, successful country that they still imagine themselves to be, but rather a place to be dealt with carefully or avoided.
                        It has been about 130 days since the Las Vegas shooting where 58 people died. Wide bipartisan support to eliminate bump stocks. Such a narrowly defined issue that should be a pencil whip and unanimous vote to pass the legislation. On 4 October 2017 senator Dianne Feinstein introduced a bill to ban bump stocks.

                        130 days and counting no Congressional action had resulted.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                          That shooter was expelled from school for causing lots of trouble. He was caught bringing bullets to school. He was reported to the FBI back in September for posting a YouTube video saying he was going to shoot up the school (his video was only taken down last night). He also allegedly has some ties to a violent white supremacist group.

                          Is it really a shock that he followed through with shooting up this school? How many red flags did the authorities need to keep an eye on this deranged lunatic?
                          Yes, and they should have taken away his gun(s). But maybe that's what NRA and republicans have spend the last decades making it hard for law enforcement to do.
                          There can only be one.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                            Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                            Just don't blame the fact that a teenager can legally buy a military grade automatic weapon before he can buy a drink, and easier than getting a drivers licence.
                            That doesn't sound like a "fact" at all.

                            It is the fact. The Broward Sheriff's Office has identified the suspect in Wednesday's deadly school shooting as 19-year-old...

                            Americans in most states can buy an AR-15 before they can legally drink
                            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3822391

                            Florida Gun Laws (a real joke of 'restrictions')
                            Subject/Law Long guns
                            State license to Purchase? No
                            Firearm registration? No
                            Owner license required? No
                            Assault weapon law? No
                            Magazine Capacity Restriction? No
                            State Preemption of local restrictions? Yes
                            NFA weapons restricted? No
                            Peaceable Journey laws? No
                            Duty to inform? No, Florida law does not require one to disclose one's possession of a firearm on contact with Law Enforcement.
                            Background checks required for private sales? No
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Florida

                            How to Apply for a Florida Driver's License:
                            Visit a Florida DHSMV office.
                            Provide proof of passing a Traffic Law & Substance Abuse Education Course. ...
                            Provide the required identity and residency documents.
                            Pass the written traffic laws and signs test.
                            Pass the driving test.
                            Pay the $48 Florida driver's license fee.
                            https://www.dmv.org/fl-florida/apply-license.php

                            In Florida, and the rest of the United States, you must be 21 years old to purchase alcohol. This is true even if you are emancipated before you turn 18. Almost all states, including Florida, have zero tolerance alcohol laws, for minors caught driving with alcohol in their system. statelaws.findlaw.com/florida-law/florida-legal-ages-laws.html
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                            • #15
                              Those aren't the rules for buying a military grade automatic weapon, though. The threshold for legally obtaining those is MUCH higher than getting a driver's license.

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