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  • Yeah, that's the most pressing issue right now.

    Trump calls for Supreme Court to reconsider flag burning laws

    President Donald Trump said Monday that he'd support laws criminalizing flag burning, saying in a call with governors that it's time for the Supreme Court to take up the issue again as nationwide protests have intensified over the death of George Floyd.

    Trump's comments follow nearly a week of protests across the country that at times have turned violent over the death of Floyd, a 46-year-old African American man who died at the hands of a police officer in Minneapolis. During the protests in some cities, people have vandalized buildings and looters have ransacked businesses. In Atlanta, protesters burned an American flag in front of CNN headquarters and photographers have captured images of flag burnings in Los Angeles and Washington state in recent days.

    Trump, who as a candidate in 2016 proposed jail time or loss of citizenship for burning the American flag, called the act a "disgrace" on Monday and pledged support for an "anti-flag burning" statute."

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/polit...ump/index.html

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    • He's obviously totally oblivious to what's actually going on.

      Trump declares himself the 'law and order' president as peaceful protesters are dispersed

      President Donald Trump declared himself "your president of law and order" during remarks Monday as peaceful protesters just outside the White House gates were dispersed with tear gas, flash bangs and rubber bullets, apparently so Trump could visit a nearby church.

      The episode, which amounted to one of the most highly charged and discordant moments in recent presidential history, came as nationwide unrest escalates and Trump comes under pressure to demonstrate a modicum of conciliation for a country torn along racial, ideological and political lines.

      With the constant sound of helicopter blades overhead and a steady succession of bangs from nearby Lafayette Park, Trump declared himself an "ally of all peaceful protesters."

      But as he was speaking, peaceful protesters were being urgently dispersed outside the White House gates by police using rubber bullets, tear gas and flash bangs.
      Several protesters were seen pouring water into their eyes to ease the gas's sting.

      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/polit...ace/index.html

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      • Bishop of DC church outraged by Trump visit: 'I just can't believe what my eyes have seen'
        https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.o...p%2Findex.html


        (CNN)Bishop Mariann Edgar Budde of the Episcopal Dioscese of Washington said Monday evening that she is "outraged" after President Donald Trump visited her church "without permission."

        Her comments came after the President walked from the White House to St. John's Episcopal Church, a house of worship used by American presidents for more than a century. Peaceful protesters just outside the White House gates were dispersed with tear gas, flash grenades and rubber bullets. It was all, apparently, so Trump could visit the church.

        "I am outraged. The President did not pray when he came to St. John's, nor as you just articulated, did he acknowledge the agony of our country right now," Budde told CNN's Anderson Cooper on "AC360."


        "And in particular, that of the people of color in our nation, who wonder if anyone ever -- anyone in public power will ever acknowledge their sacred words. And who are rightfully demanding an end to 400 years of systemic racism and white supremacy in our country. And I just want the world to know, that we in the diocese of Washington, following Jesus and his way of love ... we distance ourselves from the incendiary language of this President. We follow someone who lived a life of nonviolence and sacrificial love."

        "We align ourselves with those seeking justice for the death of George Floyd and countless others," she continued. "And I just can't believe what my eyes have seen."

        She also criticized Trump's use of a Bible during the visit; the President held up a Bible as he posed in front of the church for the cameras.

        "Let me be clear: The President just used a Bible, the most sacred text of the Judeo-Christian tradition, and one of the churches of my diocese, without permission, as a backdrop for a message antithetical to the teachings of Jesus," she said.
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        • Trump just mentioned the second amendment rights in a call for law and order. A thinly veiled call for gun violence against the protesters.
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          • And now we have US Army Blackhawk and Lakota helicopters conducting “show of force” manoeuvres against civilians in Washington DC??? In the middle of peaceful demonstrations about yet another black American murdered by yet another white police officer. In the middle of a pandemic. In the middle of an American election campaign. WTF??? If this was a book no one would read it. If this was a movie no one would watch it. If we don’t collectively find the off switch for this we’re all in deep trouble. ????
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            • Originally posted by Glenco View Post
              Trump just mentioned the second amendment rights in a call for law and order. A thinly veiled call for gun violence against the protesters.
              Trump does not mention the people's First Amendment Rights (except his twitter account)

              First Amendment - Religion and Expression
              Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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              • Originally posted by kcantor View Post
                And now we have US Army Blackhawk and Lakota helicopters conducting “show of force” manoeuvres against civilians in Washington DC??? In the middle of peaceful demonstrations about yet another black American murdered by yet another white police officer. In the middle of a pandemic. In the middle of an American election campaign. WTF??? If this was a book no one would read it. If this was a movie no one would watch it. If we don’t collectively find the off switch for this we’re all in deep trouble. ????
                So the solution to the original crime of excessive police force against George Floyd, is to use exponentially greater military force against the people protesting the original crime???

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                • Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post

                  So the solution to the original crime of excessive police force against George Floyd, is to use exponentially greater military force against the people protesting the original crime???
                  i hope you’re not suggesting that would in any way shape or form be even a part of what i would propose as a solution?
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                  • No, no. You are not reading it right.

                    You personally don't have the power to order in the Blackhawks for sure and I don't believe that you support such actions.

                    I mean that what started the protests, the video of Mr. Floyd's murder was caused by a police force that does not 'serve and protect'. Their solution to nail the problem is a massive hammer.

                    What I respect are the politicians and police that are talking with their communities and taking a knee in respect to neighbours and saying that they want to be part of the solution.
                    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 01-06-2020, 10:49 PM.
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                    • Reactions to Trump's call for military action.

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                      Pentagon officials express concern as Trump threatens to use military to 'dominate' protestors

                      ​​​​​​Defense officials tell CNN there was deep and growing discomfort among some in the Pentagon even before President Donald Trump announced Monday that he is ready to deploy the military to enforce order inside the United States.

                      As tear gas wafted through the air in Lafayette Park across from the White House, Trump announced from the Rose Garden that if state or city leaders refuse "to take the actions that are necessary to defend the life and property of their residents," he will invoke the Insurrection Act, an 1807 law that allows a president to deploy the US military to suppress civil disorder.

                      But some Pentagon officials are deeply wary, several defense officials tell CNN. They have tried to respond by making a strong case that the situation does not yet call for deploying active duty troops unless state governors make a clear argument such forces are needed.

                      "There is an intense desire for local law enforcement to be in charge," a defense official said, alluding to the laws that forbid the military from performing law enforcement roles inside the United States.

                      There is also discomfort with the civil order mission among some National Guard troops -- more of whom are now mobilized inside the US than at any previous time in history.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/polit...-dc/index.html
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                      ​​​​​​There are as many National Guard members activated in the US as there are active duty troops in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan

                      ​​​​​​As thousands across the US take to the streets for another day of protests demanding justice for George Floyd, more than 17,000 members of the National Guard are standing ready to support local law enforcement.

                      That represents approximately the same number of active duty troops deployed in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan.
                      As of Monday, nearly half of the US has activated guard members to respond to civil unrest.

                      https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/us/na...rnd/index.html

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                      • This has been building for decades. America is at a crossroads.

                        The Trump effect: New study connects white American intolerance and support for authoritarianism
                        The research suggests that when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

                        ​​​​​​A new study, however, suggests that the main threat to our democracy may not be the hardening of political ideology, but rather the hardening of one particular political ideology. Political scientists Steven V. Miller of Clemson and Nicholas T. Davis of Texas A&M have released a working paper titled "White Outgroup Intolerance and Declining Support for American Democracy." Their study finds a correlation between white American's intolerance, and support for authoritarian rule. In other words, when intolerant white people fear democracy may benefit marginalized people, they abandon their commitment to democracy.

                        Miller and Davis used information from the World Values Survey, a research project organized by a worldwide network of social scientists which polls individuals in numerous countries on a wide range of beliefs and values. Based on surveys from the United States, the authors found that white people who did not want to have immigrants or people of different races living next door to them were more likely to be supportive of authoritarianism. For instance, people who said they did not want to live next door to immigrants or to people of another race were more supportive of the idea of military rule, or of a strongman-type leader who could ignore legislatures and election results.

                        The World Values Survey data used is from the period 1995 to 2011 — well before Donald Trump's 2016 run for president. It suggests, though, that Trump's bigotry and his authoritarianism are not separate problems, but are intertwined. When Trump calls Mexicans "rapists," and when he praises authoritarian leaders, he is appealing to the same voters.

                        Miller and Davis' paper quotes alt right, neo-fascist leader Richard Spencer, who in a 2013 speech declared: "We need an ethno-state so that our people can ‘come home again’… We must give up the false dreams of equality and democracy." Ethnic cleansing is impossible as long as marginalized people have enough votes to stop it. But this roadblock disappears if you get rid of democracy. Spencer understands that white rule in the current era essentially requires totalitarianism. That's the logic of fascism.

                        https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...gpDpMtfNO6QZkk

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                        • Donald Trump, a Bible, and blasphemy
                          https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/dona...and-blasphemy/

                          And as the sun set over the capital of the United States, the most powerful man in the world had the police fire rubber bullets at non-violent protestors so that he could walk from his news conference in the Rose Garden of the White House to St. John’s Episcopal Church. He stood in front of this historic church, renowned for its commitment to social justice, held a Bible and posed ostentatiously for the cameras.

                          Just yards away, young people who had been demonstrating against racist violence and the murder of George Floyd wept with tears produced by tear gas and by frustration. Yet Donald Trump, supremely indifferent and even mocking, held high a text that roars love, peace, and justice.

                          This was blasphemy. In the most authentic and repugnant sense, it was blasphemy.

                          The politics behind this sacrilegious ritual are obvious. Trump is in profound political trouble on numerous levels, and he knows that unless he can activate his base he will be thrashed at the election. That base includes the 81 per cent of white evangelicals who voted for him last time round, and many other Americans who have a sense—sometimes vague, sometimes deeply ideological—that their nation is a Godly light on the hill, a geopolitical product of faith and patriotism.

                          It’s absurdly ironic that a country so eager to boast the separation of church and state is in fact so riddled with its inter mingling. Trump was determined to evince strength against protest and to link this to devotion to Jesus. As risible as it all may seem, it may well have succeeded with many of his followers.


                          If President Trump knew scripture he’d know that Jesus said, “And whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues at the street corners, so that they may be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward.”
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                          • Posted to the Edmonton Police Service Facebook page, June 1, 202





                            https://www.facebook.com/edmontonpol...k*F&tn-str=k*F

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                              • "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a Bible"

                                Ahead of Trump Bible photo op, police forcibly expel priest from St. John's church near White House

                                ​​​​​​The Rev. Glenna J. Huber, the rector of the Church of the Epiphany who was at St. John's but left as the National Guard arrived, said she watched as police rushed into the area she had just fled. Concerned, the priest sent a frantic email to clergy at the church urging them to be careful.

                                Back at St. John's, Gerbasi said she was dressed in clerical garb and standing on church grounds as police approached.

                                “I’m there in my little pink sweater in my collar, my gray hair up in a ponytail, my reading glasses on, and my seminarian who was with me — she got tear gas in her eyes,” she said.

                                Gerbasi said as she and the seminarian watched, police began to expel people from the church patio.

                                “The police in their riot gear with their black shields and the whole bit start pushing on to the patio of St. John's Lafayette Square,” she said, adding that people around her began crying out in pain, claiming to be shot with non-lethal projectiles.

                                Gerbasi and others eventually fled the scene, leaving emergency medical supplies behind. By the time she reached K street several blocks away and checked her phone, Trump was already in front of the church holding a Bible.

                                “That's what it was for: to clear that patio so that man could stand in front of that building with a Bible,” said Gerbasi.

                                https://religionnews.com/2020/06/02/...u49aGyOvfsX5bA

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