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    • I tend to agree that looting, rioting and violence very much do cede the moral authority of protesting. That should be self evident. Throughout history we KNOW that peaceful protest is more likely to achieve goals than violence. Yes, there are instances like the Boston Tea Party that cut the other way, but they're the exception: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2...ange-the-world

      I've seen some ridiculous posts on social media that if you feel that rioting and looting are wrong even in the face of historical injustice, you're basically a white supremacist yourself. Which is weird, because I didn't think Ilhan Omar or Keisha Lance Bottoms were also white supremacists, but what do I know?

      https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...rotests-291722

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/atlanta...-then-go-home/

      That kind of thinking is no different than W's "if you're not with us, you're with the terrorists" idiocy. I can oppose rioting and looting and still think that there's extremely valid reasons for protesting and even civil disobedience. And on that topic:

      https://www.bellingcat.com/news/amer...loyd-protests/

      The police in Minneapolis especially, but elsewhere around the US are deliberately targeting reporters with rubber pullets, tear gas, and assault. It's like they're trying to prove the protesters' point for them or something. That kind of behavior is a direct result of Trump's vilification of the media over the past few years. The police feel justified in attacking the journalists trying to report on what's happening, and it's shameful.

      What a mess.

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      • Sorry, I should say "some police feel justified", not "the". I've edited once already and my post will probably get spam filtered if I try again.

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        • Uncovered: Last October, the head of the Minneapolis police union — which days ago warned against a “rush to judgment” of the officers involved in George Floyd’s death — spoke at a Trump rally and praised him for ending the “handcuffing and oppression” of police under Obama.

          https://twitter.com/therecoun...268212736?s=20
          Last edited by Spudly; 01-06-2020, 07:31 AM.
          I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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          • not all protests have met with police resistance...

            https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisette...nst-brutality/

            and that’s what it should be like.

            it can no longer be excused by saying “it’s just a few bad apples”. there are some professions - and policing should be among them - where there is no room for bad apples.

            can you imagine an airline saying “most of our pilots are pretty good at landing, it’s only the occasional bad apple that flies into the side of a mountain” not just once but month after month, year after year?
            "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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            • Yes, kudos to the police forces and officers in a few cases where they've calmly de-escalated and even marched with protesters. Put those guys in charge in Minnesota ASAP.

              Spudly's fixed link: https://twitter.com/therecount/statu...268212736?s=20

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              • Some police are apparently taking Trump's "Enemy of the people" description of journalists to heart.

                Police targeted journalists covering the George Floyd protests

                ​​​​​​On Friday night, photojournalist Linda Tirado was shot in the eye by a rubber bullet while covering an anti-police brutality protest in Minneapolis — one of more than two dozen incidents of journalists experiencing violence while covering the recent demonstrations.

                Tirado says she’s permanently blind in her left eye. (She is thankful she uses her right eye to take photos, so the injury is not career-ending.)

                ​​​​​​The Minneapolis Police Department and Mayor Jacob Frey’s office didn’t respond to requests for comment about Tirado’s injury.

                Across the country journalists have been targeted by police, facing arrest, detention, and violence, including being pepper sprayed and shot by rubber bullets. Journalists were targeted by police in the Ferguson protests in 2015 and during the civil rights era, and that pattern of violence and arrests continued into this weekend’s protests.

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                Ali Velshi and his MSNBC camera crew were shot at by Minneapolis police live on the air while covering a peaceful protest.


                Canadian Broadcasting Corporation journalist Susan Ormiston was hit with rubber bullets and tear gas fired by Minneapolis police live on the air Saturday.

                https://twitter.com/NatashaFatah/sta...floyd-protests


                Though police were responsible for most of the violence, some protesters got in on the act too.

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                • The consequences of Supreme Court decision in 1983 are playing out today

                  How the Supreme Court enabled police to use deadly chokeholds

                  "It’s a sadly familiar scene, and quite like one that played out in 1976 after Los Angeles police officers pulled over Adolph Lyons for a broken taillight.

                  Like Floyd, Lyons was black. The officers met him with guns drawn and ordered him to face the car, spread his legs, and place his hands on top of his head. Not long after Lyons complained that a ring of keys that he held in his hands was causing him pain, one of the officers wrapped his forearm around Lyons’s throat and began to choke him. Lyons passed out. He woke up facedown on the ground, covered in his own urine and feces. The officers released him with a citation for the broken taillight.

                  Lyons brought a federal lawsuit against the city and officers who assaulted him. But that case, City of Los Angeles v. Lyons (1983), did not end well for him. Decades later, the 5-4 decision still stands as one of the greatest obstacles to civil rights lawyers challenging police brutality in cases like George Floyd’s.

                  Adolph Lyons was not the only man choked by a Los Angeles police officer. Between 1975 and 1980, LAPD officers used chokeholds on at least 975 occasions.

                  As Justice Thurgood Marshall wrote in his dissenting opinion, “the city instructs its officers that use of a chokehold does not constitute deadly force.” Nevertheless, “no less than 16 persons have died following the use of a chokehold by an LAPD police officer,” 12 of whom were black men.

                  According to Justice Marshall, “the evidence submitted to the District Court established that, for many years, it has been the official policy of the city to permit police officers to employ chokeholds in a variety of situations where they face no threat of violence.”

                  When Lyons sued the city, he wanted more than just a sum of money compensating him for his injuries. He sought an injunction — a formal court order that would have forbidden the LAPD from using chokeholds “except in situations where the proposed victim of said control reasonably appears to be threatening the immediate use of deadly force.”

                  But the Supreme Court held that Lyons could not obtain such an injunction unless he could show that he was personally likely to be choked by a Los Angeles police officer in the future. “Past exposure to illegal conduct,” Justice Byron White wrote for the Court, does not permit someone to seek an injunction. Rather, “Lyons’ standing to seek the injunction requested depended on whether he was likely to suffer future injury from the use of the chokeholds by police officers.”

                  It didn’t matter that nearly a thousand other Los Angeles residents were subjected to police chokeholds. To obtain a court order protecting future victims of police violence from being choked, Lyons would have to show that he was likely to be choked by an LAPD officer a second time.

                  https://www.vox.com/2020/5/30/212746...ns-los-angeles

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                  • Minneapolis police chief takes a knee and prays at spot where George Floyd died.

                    He says that all 4 former officers are complicit.
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                    • More of Trump's "fine people"

                      WATCH: DC protesters turn over ‘agitator’ to police — then the agitators try to start a fight with cops

                      ​​​​​​Protesters in Washington, D.C. were captured on video handing over an agitator to police, while other agitators in paintball tactical gear appeared to try and start fights with police.

                      Former FBI assistant director of counterintelligence, Frank Figliuzzi, revealed that his former colleagues and law enforcement he knows recognize that far-right agitators are attempting to start significant conflicts between police and protesters.

                      “There is a minimal presence of Antifa, but a far more disturbing presence of right-wing race-based hate groups, such as the Boogaloo Boys who think there will be a race-based civil war coming,” he said on MSNBC.

                      https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/wat...ght-with-cops/

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                      • Bad people on both sides

                        Many Claim Extremists Are Sparking Protest Violence. But Which Extremists?

                        Amid a rush to assign blame for violence and vandalism, accusations that extremists or outside agitators were behind the destruction ricocheted online and on the airwaves.
                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/u...ts-antifa.html

                        People associated with both the extreme right and left are being accused of igniting the conflagration. The Trump administration blamed what it called the radical left, naming antifa, a contraction of the word “anti-fascist” that has come to be associated with a diffuse movement of left-wing protesters who engage in more aggressive techniques like vandalism.
                        WHAT IS ANTIFA?Members of antifa, which has no official leaders, campaign against actions they view as authoritarian, homophobic, racist or xenophobic.

                        Others said white supremacists and far-right groups were responsible, pointing to online statements by adherents that the upheaval would hasten the collapse of a multiethnic, multicultural United States.

                        “The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter on Sunday, although it was unclear on what legal authority he could make that call.

                        The president has periodically criticized antifa, but it was not clear that Mr. Trump’s declaration would have any real meaning beyond his characteristic attempts to stir up culture war controversy, attract attention and please his base.

                        Antifa is not an organization, and it does not have a leader, membership roles or any defined, centralized structure. It is a vaguely defined movement of people who share common protest tactics and targets.

                        More important, even if antifa were a real organization, the laws that permit the federal government to deem entities terrorists and impose sanctions on them are limited to foreign groups. There is no domestic terrorism law despite periodic proposals to create one.

                        “There is no authority under law to do that — and if such a statute were passed, it would face serious First Amendment challenges,” said Mary B. McCord, a former head of the Justice Department’s National Security Division.
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                        • Trump ‘When the looting starts, the shooting starts:’, he goes and dodges his responsibilities and hides in the WH Bunker.

                          Claims his Vietnam War Era bone spurs are preventing him from acting like a leader.



                          The meme's are out in force today














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                            • Trump explains his strategy for dealing with people protesting police violence against black people.

                              After a Weekend of Police Brutality, Trump Demands More Violence

                              ​​​​​​As the country reels from nearly a week of intense protests marked by countless acts of police brutality, President Donald Trump on Monday pressured governors to deploy more aggressive and violent tactics against protesters, telling them they would look like “jerks” if they didn’t get tougher. He also threatened to unleash the powers of the Justice Department in order to empower law enforcement officials to “fight back” against demonstrators.

                              “You have to dominate,” Trump said on a private call with governors, according to reporting by multiple news outlets that obtained a recording of the explosive conversation. “If you don’t dominate, you’re wasting your time. They’re going to run over you. You’re going to look like a bunch of jerks.”

                              “You’ve got to arrest people,” he continued. “You have to track people, you have to put them in jail for 10 years, and you’ll never see this stuff again.”

                              https://www.motherjones.com/crime-ju...8Z1XPekBsFehuE

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                              • what kind of a dingbat president says "... It got so bad a few nights ago that the people wouldn't have minded an occupying force. I wish we had an occupying force in there. ..."

                                https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1744994371721

                                and this "in there" he's talking about is los angeles and philadelphia and new york!!!

                                they don't need an occupying force. they need good government and they need to root out the causes of those riots.

                                no-one has children hoping they grow up rioting and looting. and no-one has children hoping they grow up disenfranchised and afraid of their own police forces.

                                an occupying force??? what he's hiding from in his white house bunker is the consequences of living under an occupying force.
                                "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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