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  • Originally posted by KC View Post
    MrOilers, you’ve said you even have such connections haven’t you?
    I have to admit, the the exchange rate on rubles to C$ ever since the Liberals have been in charge has been pretty good.

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    • MrOilers can't handle the TRUTH!
      Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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      • The truth is those two indictments for the campaign fincance violations go back a number of years, and are unrelated to this "whistleblower" claim and unrelated to Trump's Ukraine call. Lock them up. Who cares? This is independent of any of this go-nowhere impeachment nonsense that is deflating air by the day.

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        • Turn off the news for a minute and look at the indictment itself.

          https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Indictment.pdf


          It does not mention Guiliani, nor the Ukraine call. And despite what journalists are telling us, and how they are playing up these arrests, it's completely unrelated to Trump. The primary proof is right here.

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          • So you are saying that Giuliani has nothing to do with this????????


            BRAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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            • You didn't read the indictment.

              Read the indictment and tell me where it mentions Guilaini's name: https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...Indictment.pdf

              Go ahead. Be my guest.

              Prove me wrong (you can't).

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              • I'd look at your document, but it seems to be on a personal storage cloud site, and its blocked at work. Perhaps its hosted somewhere reputable?
                A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                • Read the indictment like I did or shut up about it.

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                  • https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...d&cmpId=google

                    President Donald Trump, under siege from House Democrats weighing impeachment, suffered a stinging blow as a federal appeals court upheld a subpoena ordering his accountants to provide Congress with his financial records.
                    Nobody is above the law, especially not a public servant like Chump.
                    Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                    • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                      Read the indictment like I did or shut up about it.
                      I dont trust your source.... and coming from you, it's probably highly altered, much like those 'full transcripts' that you kept going on and on about how they were the 'full transcripts' then it was proven it wasn't... and now this^
                      A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                      • https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...-b6221ee48876/

                        There's a reputable source (for anyone except those that consider Fox News a leftist organization)
                        Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                        • This morning we learned that 2 associates of Guiliani were arrested and charged by the Justice Department for violating campaign finance laws. What does this mean?
                          Two associates working closely with Giuliani were arrested and charged by the Justice Department as they tried to influence American politics.[1]
                          Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin, the defendants, conspired to circumvent the federal laws against foreign influence by engaging in a scheme to funnel foreign money to candidates for federal and state office so that the defendants could buy potential influence with candidates, campaigns, and the candidates' governments. The defendants concealed the scheme from candidates, campaigns, federal regulators, and the public by entering into secret agreements, laundering foreign money through bank accounts in the names of limited liability corporations, and through the use of straw donors (also known as "conduits" or "straw contributors") who purported to make legal campaign contributions in their own names, rather than in the name of the true source of the funds.
                          Months before the now infamous phone call between President Trump and newly elected President Zelenksy, Guiliani was in Ukraine trying to find dirt on Biden. He was working with his business associates Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.[2] During the same period in which they were helping Giuliani in Ukraine, Parnas and Fruman were pursuing a lucrative deal with a Ukrainian state owned oil company known as Naftogaz. They were part of a group trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine's massive oil company.[3]
                          As Rudy Giuliani was pushing Ukrainian officials last spring to investigate one of Donald Trump’s main political rivals, a group of individuals with ties to the president and his personal lawyer were also active in the former Soviet republic.
                          Their aims were profit, not politics. This circle of businessmen and Republican donors touted connections to Giuliani and Trump while trying to install new management at the top of Ukraine’s massive state gas company. Their plan was to then steer lucrative contracts to companies controlled by Trump allies, according to two people with knowledge of their plans.
                          Their plan hit a snag after Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko lost his reelection bid to Volodymyr Zelenskiy, whose conversation with Trump about former Vice President Joe Biden is now at the center of the House impeachment inquiry of Trump.
                          But the effort to install a friendlier management team at the helm of the gas company, Naftogaz, would soon be taken up with Ukraine’s new president by U.S. Energy Secretary Rick Perry, whose slate of candidates included a fellow Texan who is one of Perry’s past political donors.
                          ...In early March, Fruman, Parnas and Sargeant were touting a plan to replace Naftogaz CEO Andriy Kobolyev with another senior executive at the company, Andrew Favorov, according to two individuals who spoke to the AP as well as a memorandum about the meeting that was later submitted to the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv, formerly known as Kiev.
                          ...The three approached Favorov with the idea while the Ukrainian executive was attending an energy industry conference in Texas. Parnas and Fruman told him they had flown in from Florida on a private jet to recruit him to be their partner in a new venture to export up to 100 tanker shipments a year of U.S. liquefied gas into Ukraine, where Naftogaz is the largest distributor, according to two people briefed on the details.
                          Sargeant told Favorov that he regularly meets with Trump at Mar-a-Lago and that the gas-sales plan had the president’s full support, according to the two people who said Favorov recounted the discussion to them.
                          These conversations were recounted to AP by Dale W. Perry, an American who is a former business partner of Favorov. He told AP in an interview that Favorov described the meeting to him soon after it happened and that Favorov perceived it to be a shakedown. Perry, who is no relation to the energy secretary, is the managing partner of Energy Resources of Ukraine, which currently has business agreements to import natural gas and electricity to Ukraine.
                          According to Dale Perry and the other person, Favorov said Parnas told him Trump planned to remove U.S. Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch and replace her with someone more open to aiding their business interests.
                          Dale Perry told the AP he was so concerned about the efforts to change the management at Naftogaz and to get rid of Yovanovitch that he reported what he had heard to Suriya Jayanti, a State Department foreign service officer stationed at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv who focuses on the energy industry.
                          What have we learned since the initial reporting of the President attempting to solicit support from a foreign government that relies on American aid in an attempt to take down a political rival?
                          • We learned that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo was in on the phone call with Ukrainian President Zelensky.[4] Last week he denied knowing anything about the whistleblower complaint, however he has recently changed his tune following reporting indicating that he was in on the phone call.[5]
                          • We have learned that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Attorney General William Barr have been involved in President Trump's plot to try to rewrite the history of the 2016 US presidential election and Russian election interference.[6]
                          • We have learned that President Trump pressed the Australian Prime Minister to work with Attorney General Barr to discredit the Mueller report.[7]
                          • We have learned that AG Barr discussed the FBI Russia investigation with UK intelligence[8] and that President Trump personally called Prime Minister Boris Johnson for help to discredit the Mueller report.[9]
                          • Congress has filed several subpoenas[10] including the President's personal attorney Rudy Guiliani for acting as an agent of the President in a scheme to advance his personal political interests by abusing the power of the Office of the President.[11] Guiliani has since hired a lawyer to represent him in the Ukraine scandal that's unfolding.[12]


                          1) United States District Court Southern District of New York - United States of America v. Lev Parnas, Igor Fruman, David Correia, and Andrey Kukushkin
                          2) NPR - Meet The Businessman Helping Giuliani Try To Find Dirt On Democrats In Ukraine
                          3) Associated Press - Profit, not politics: Trump allies sought Ukraine gas deal
                          4) Wall Street Journal - Pompeo Took Part in Ukraine Call, Official Says
                          5) BBC - Trump impeachment: Pompeo confirms listening in on Ukraine call
                          6) The Guardian - New reports reveal wider role for Barr and Pompeo in impeachment scandal
                          7) New York Times - Trump Pressed Australian Leader to Help Barr Investigate Mueller Inquiry’s Origins
                          The Guardian - William Barr discussed FBI Russia inquiry with UK intelligence
                          9) The Times - Donald Trump impeachment: President called Boris Johnson for help to discredit Mueller inquiry
                          10) Fox News - Impeachment probe rapidly widens as Dems fire off subpoenas, set testimony
                          11) Reuters - U.S. Democrats subpoena Trump lawyer Giuliani in impeachment probe
                          12) Axios - Giuliani hires attorney to represent him in Ukraine investigation
                          A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                          • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                            Read the indictment like I did or shut up about it.
                            Can you state unequivocally that Guiliani and/or Trump has nothing to do with Committees 1-3 listed in the indictment?
                            Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                            • The significance of a phone call between President Trump and Ukrainian President Zelensky
                              In a phone call on July 25 2019 with newly elected Ukrainian President Zelensky, President Trump attempted to solicit the support of a foreign government and may be in violation of Federal Campaign Finance Laws.[1] When President Zelensky asked about military aid to combat Russia, Trump immediately segued the conversation into requesting an investigation against one of his political opponents. President Trump repeatedly made requests including opening up an investigation into former Vice-Pesident Joe Biden and his role in the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor that Trump claims was supposedly unfairly shut down by Biden because he supposedly feared his son was being investigated.
                              This is a complete mischaracterization of events. Following Ukraine's revolution and Russia's annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian President Poroshenko was dealing with corruption scandals. Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin was a discredited individual who was leading an investigation into corruption. The corruption was staggering, for example following assistance from the International Monetary Fund a $1.8 billion loan to help the Ukrainian banking system disappeared offshore in accounts owned by a Ukrainian Oligarch.[2] At one point Shokin fired prosecutors who were working on corruption cases against corrupt officials.[3] Following pressure from Western Allies and the Obama administration the Ukrainian parliament overwhelmingly voted to fire Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin. The decision was celebrated by Western Allies that were providing financial support to Ukraine including the European Union to defend themselves from Russia.[4] Moreover, in his most recent interview former Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuri Lutsenko debunked President Trump's conspiracy that Biden forced the firing of Shokin to protect his son, Hunter Biden, who had been working in Ukraine. Prosecutor General Lutsenko stated that "“[f]rom the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” and added “Hunter Biden cannot be responsible for violations of the management of Burisma that took place two years before his arrival.”[5]
                              Days before his conversation with Ukrainian leader Zelensky the Trump administration suddenly froze aid allocated to Ukraine.[6]
                              The White House has attempted to mislead the public by claiming that aid was frozen due to corruption, however NPR obtained a letter from the Pentagon that certified Ukraine had taken action to decrease corruption 2 months before President Trump blocked aid.[7] A month before this phone call in June the Pentagon announced plans to provide $250 million to Ukraine in security cooperation funds for things such as training and equipment in an attempt to build the capacity of Ukraine's armed forces following Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine.[8] The State Department announced plans to provide $141 million in aid.[9]
                              So why are the United States and Western Allies sending aid to Ukraine? In 1994 former Soviet Union member states including Ukraine signed the Budapest Memorandum. It was a diplomatic memorandum under which Ukraine removed all Soviet-era nuclear weapons and signed the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. In return for these concessions the former Soviet state consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state by applying the principles in a Cold War era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union. Russia violated this agreement in 2014 when they invaded Ukraine.[10]
                              Since this story broke President Trump has threatened the whistleblower and has tweeted a quote about civil war if he is impeached.
                              Following the phone call a whistleblower from DNI filed a complaint that stated President Trump was "using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the US 2020 election," characterizing the conduct as a "serious or flagrant problem, abuse, or violation of law". President Trump has been attempting to cover all of this up.[11] A Trump appointed Inspector General detailed his concerns in letters where he stated that the whistleblower complaint being kept from Congress was both urgent and “relates to one of the most important and significant of the (Director of National Intelligence)’s responsibilities to the American people.”[12] President Trump attempted to block the whistleblower and called it fake news.[13]
                              President Trump endangered the whistleblower by claiming he committed treason for notifying the authorities of the President asking a foreign nation to interfere with the 2020 election.[14] Moreover, the President quoted and tweeted about a civil war if impeachment occurred which may be in violation of:[15]
                              18 U.S. Code § 2383 Rebellion or insurrection
                              Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

                              1) Washington Post - How Trump’s Ukraine call could violate campaign finance laws
                              2) Reuters - Corruption in Ukraine is so bad, a Nigerian prince would be embarrassed
                              3) Kyiv Post - Demonstrators protest Shokin’s firing of anti-corruption prosecutors
                              4) New York Times - Ukraine Ousts Viktor Shokin, Top Prosecutor, and Political Stability Hangs in the Balance
                              5) Washington Post - Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything’
                              6) Wall Street Journal - Trump Put Hold on Military Aid Ahead of Phone Call With Ukraine’s President
                              7) The Hill - Pentagon letter certified Ukraine had taken action to decrease corruption before White House blocked aid
                              Military Times - Russia’s conflict with Ukraine: An explainer
                              9) Defense News - Here’s what you need to know about the US aid package to Ukraine that Trump delayed
                              10) Radio Free Europe: Radio Liberty - Explainer: The Budapest Memorandum And Its Relevance To Crimea
                              11) BBC - White House 'tried to cover up details of Trump-Ukraine call'
                              12) PBS - Read what the inspector general said about the ‘urgent’ whistleblower concern
                              13) Global News - Trump admin blocks ‘urgent’ whistleblower complaint from Congress
                              14) BBC - Trump impeachment: Whistleblower 'endangered' by Trump criticism
                              15) Cornell Law School - 18 U.S. Code § 2383.
                              A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                              • Huh, interesting.
                                From the recent indictment of Guiliani's associates Parnas and Fruman we have learned that former Congressman Pete Sessions was being funded by these two men as they tried to influence American politics.
                                Former Texas representative Pete Sessions lost his re-election bid during the 2018 midterms.[1]
                                A former member of Congress who pushed for political changes in Ukraine that aligned with Rudy Giuliani’s investigative efforts there got millions of dollars in political support from a pro-Trump super PAC financed in part by Giuliani allies.
                                The more than $3 million that the group, America First Action, spent supporting former Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX) included huge ad buys that appear to have pushed the boundaries of laws restricting super PAC coordination with political campaigns, according to a Daily Beast review of federal campaign finance and television broadcasting records. And they could severely complicate the former congressman’s attempt to win back office in 2020.
                                The expenditures made by America First Action came during the 2018 election cycle, during which Sessions was fighting desperately to hold on to his House seat in a race he would go on to lose to Democrat Colin Allred. The PAC, which has President Donald Trump’s official imprimatur, has raised millions of dollars to fulfill that task. And during that election season, $325,000 of that came from a company called Global Energy Producers LLC, a firm run by Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman.
                                The Soviet-born businessmen were, at the time of their donation to the PAC, helping Giuliani solicit dirt on President Donald Trump’s political opponents from officials in Ukraine. That work, which is now at the center of an impeachment inquiry against the president, included trying to get the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, removed from her post on grounds that she was badmouthing Trump.
                                Pete Sessions is running for Congress again following his re-election loss in Dallas during the 2018 midterms. He is running in a different district to replace a Republican congressman retiring in a GOP stronghold.[2]
                                It should also be noted that Pete Sessions served as the Chairman of the House Rules Committee and tried to block sanctions against Russia in 2017.[3]

                                1) The Daily Beast - A PAC Backed by Giuliani Henchmen Spent Millions for Member Who Targeted Ukraine Ambassador
                                2) Associated Press - Former GOP congressman Pete Sessions eyeing 2020 comeback
                                3) Bussiness Insider - House Republican leader balks at Russia sanctions bill over concerns it would harm Texas energy companies
                                A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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