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  • #16
    Originally posted by Medwards View Post
    Originally posted by KC View Post
    Originally posted by noodle View Post
    I'd settle for moderators who don't moderate the discussions they participate in, along with a lower-than-a-minute timer between reporting posts.
    That gets way too bureaucratic. Just more rules. Plus you're then making moderators monitor threads they have zero interest in. Who the hell would volunteer to do that?

    Everyone has their own agendas and the right to speak to them so why shouldn't volunteer moderators get a chance to speak to them without having the added hassle of then recusing themselves from their moderation role, finding someone else to moderate half way through. You're just adding nightmarish tasks to some poor Joe just trying to help out.

    So worst case, say some moderator in some thread suddenly takes offence to me or my posts and axes my commentary, so what ...some of my posts disappear, big deal, that's life. I'll survive.
    You'll survive, but in this case, you also would no longer be able to post here, as the same moderator threatens/imposes you with suspensions, mainly because you are disagreeing with the chief of the hivemind.
    Ah, ban me from the site. Fine. I can still read it for information. It's really not a big deal. As I said, I'll survive.

    Power is a simple reality the world over in far more serious ways than in not being able to post my mindless thoughts to a web site - even a great one like C2e in which I get a free ride without having to do any work, at all, to keep it going.

    Basically I see it as a privilege so I try not to abuse people and try to be respectful of people, though I'll sometimes attack their ideas. As far as hive minds, that's also life in society. People engage in cry baby whining when someone else with more power or influence slaps them down somehow. So what in terms of a website, where you're allowed to be anonymous and totally immune to the personal effects of any unjust slap down.
    Last edited by KC; 30-01-2017, 09:25 AM.

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    • #17
      The problem with most past forum software is that it hasn't been built to be used on mobile devices. It usually eats bandwidth like crazy too due to the way it has been built from the ground up. A lot of forums are older than time and haven't seen a complete rework of the code.

      I'm definitely a proponent of the original platform that Admin posted. It is built to be forward thinking. Discourse has been built to look at where the internet will be in 5 years, as opposed to being built on technology that is older than time. It is a fallacy to say that computer software hasn't changed in 10 years. Online content development is moving forward faster than any other platform out there.

      The community moderation simply hides posts that have been flagged a ton. Kind of like ignoring a user here. You can still view the hidden content if you would like. There is also a trust system that gives you more privilege, but it isn't strictly based on post count. It is based on visiting the site regularly, contributing, liking posts, linking, adding media, etc.

      One thing I would say on it, is if you are upgrading it, don't upgrade from the web based back end, upgrade from command line and it will save you a lot of time and headache.

      General info: http://www.discourse.org/about/

      Anyone I know that has used Discourse on a regular basis has grown to love it. It is definitely different as the Admin pointed out - it has a different structure, as well as look and feel than traditional platforms, but you do quickly adjust to it.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Moodib View Post
        The community moderation simply hides posts that have been flagged a ton. Kind of like ignoring a user here. You can still view the hidden content if you would like. There is also a trust system that gives you more privilege, but it isn't strictly based on post count. It is based on visiting the site regularly, contributing, liking posts, linking, adding media, etc.
        This is my favorite feature of Discourse. With the discussion board I'm a member of, there are occasional cranks who tend to get flagged a lot. I do a quick check that the views are genuinely bannable (in my terms, vulgar with no information). I have rarely seen a flagged post that doesn't meet this condition.

        What potentially bothers me about this forum, is that I have a feeling that one's posts can be flagged for merely not being part of the hive mind. That probably bothers me more because I'm not part of the hive mind myself. If I can see the posts, I have a better chance of seeing the dissident posts.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by EveB View Post
          Originally posted by Moodib View Post
          The community moderation simply hides posts that have been flagged a ton. Kind of like ignoring a user here. You can still view the hidden content if you would like. There is also a trust system that gives you more privilege, but it isn't strictly based on post count. It is based on visiting the site regularly, contributing, liking posts, linking, adding media, etc.
          This is my favorite feature of Discourse. With the discussion board I'm a member of, there are occasional cranks who tend to get flagged a lot. I do a quick check that the views are genuinely bannable (in my terms, vulgar with no information). I have rarely seen a flagged post that doesn't meet this condition.

          What potentially bothers me about this forum, is that I have a feeling that one's posts can be flagged for merely not being part of the hive mind. That probably bothers me more because I'm not part of the hive mind myself. If I can see the posts, I have a better chance of seeing the dissident posts.
          Definitely agree with you on the hive mind. Then again, any system has the potential for abuse, whether it be community moderation or specific moderators. I'm sure we can all give examples of where we have seen abuse one way or the other, whether that be here or elsewhere on the internet.

          Discourse has a very beefy back end that can be customized a lot - for example, setting how many flags a post must receive before it is flagged. There may even be an option that a moderator has to review flags before it becomes hidden - that is, you can turn off the automation of hiding posts. It has been a while since I used it now, but there were a lot of options there. Same goes with the trust levels, although to a lesser extent - I don't believe you can create new trust levels, but you can adjust the properties within each level quite a lot and also promote people to certain trust levels if you wish or demote them for that matter. It is definitely community driven, but also offers administrators a lot of power to intervene if they wish to do so.

          From a usability perspective, anyone can give it a front end test drive on their community forum that offers support/Q&A, etc here: https://meta.discourse.org/.

          One thing I quite like is that the system automatically builds weekly or whatever you would like digests of latest content and emails it out to users. I don't visit meta as often anymore, but every so often I get the digest and see some topics that would interest me. Newsletters without the hassle of doing it yourself.
          Last edited by Moodib; 30-01-2017, 01:27 PM.

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          • #20
            Ditto here. The Discourse forum I was a member of was for a particular company. While there was a lot of user-triggered automation, they needed to have PR watchdogs to guard their own financial and legal interests.

            I am giving the main product a pause but I am still interested in a minor product that they might resurrect (I hope). The weekly digests are a good way of making sure I won't miss a comeback. And occasionally there's a headline that brings me back into the forum.

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            • #21
              One feature I would like to see, come to think of it, is an easier way to find a forum or thread. Maybe I'm dense, or not doing it right, but I want to make a post in the "Political Correctness" thread. I know it's here somewhere, I've seen it and posted to it. But if I search "political correctness" or "politically correct" because I know the title is something like that I'm told it's too vague. But dammit I know there's a forum or blog thread about it. Do I just have to search through the Etcetera (or whatever they're called) forums for that thread?

              Do "modern" fora systems make this easier?
              I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Spudly View Post
                One feature I would like to see, come to think of it, is an easier way to find a forum or thread. Maybe I'm dense, or not doing it right, but I want to make a post in the "Political Correctness" thread. I know it's here somewhere, I've seen it and posted to it. But if I search "political correctness" or "politically correct" because I know the title is something like that I'm told it's too vague. But dammit I know there's a forum or blog thread about it. Do I just have to search through the Etcetera (or whatever they're called) forums for that thread?

                Do "modern" fora systems make this easier?
                Yeah, a lot have suggested searches built in. As you type, it searches for keywords, etc, and provides results based on that rather than attempting an exact match for a thread title. I'm not really familiar with whether or not the newer vb versions have improved search, but I would imagine so. There are definitely plugins, whether they alter code or can be removed easily, that you can drop in. Discourse allows for plugins to be installed that don't alter code, so they can be removed in the future or run independent of the source.

                As for how to find that thread on here, copy and paste "political correctedness site:connect2edmonton.ca" into Google and I think the thread you want is the 4th down.

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                • #23
                  Now this is one of those times a Thanks button would be real handy! I never thought of trying that... Errrr... Click!
                  I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by noodle View Post
                    The fact that my cordcutter box has HTTPS working & C2E doesn't makes me chortle a little every time I log in.
                    Forgot to link this before. The lead developer for discourse wrote a good blog post on security and the lack thereof on the internet in general: https://discourse.codinghorror.com/t...ed-things/3550

                    At least you know they consider security to an extent! I'm always leery of using vbulletin and definitely don't use a password that I use elsewhere.

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