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  • The earth is billions of years old. We've had millions of micro climate changes during that time. Just because we are here to witness it does not mean it's never happened before. Lots of factors have an effect on the weather, sun flares, atmospheric conditions etc. We can't control them all, they will continue in spite of us.
    Mother nature is going to be the boss in the end.
    Gone............................and very quickly forgotten may I add.

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    • The thing is, at least some of the current rapid rise is the direct result of something that we're doing.
      That we CAN change.

      We don't know for 100% certain that it's all anthropogenic, and it's also possible that it would be even larger but there's natural processes/cycles moving the other direction. But we do know that what we are doing is contributing to what is a historically rapid change in climates, and we can slow down that change.

      Why the hell wouldn't we?
      There can only be one.

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      • Some people would have you believe that 200 years of massive fossil fuel use would not have any effect on the atmosphere or climate.

        more hockey stick grapghs



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        • Originally posted by Highlander II View Post
          The thing is, at least some of the current rapid rise is the direct result of something that we're doing.
          That we CAN change.

          We don't know for 100% certain that it's all anthropogenic, and it's also possible that it would be even larger but there's natural processes/cycles moving the other direction. But we do know that what we are doing is contributing to what is a historically rapid change in climates, and we can slow down that change.

          Why the hell wouldn't we?
          "But we do know that what we are doing is contributing to what is a historically rapid change in climates"

          You think 1.5 degrees in 150 years (0.1 per decade) is rapid? You think that's never happened before? You sure about that?
          "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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          • ^While accurate scientific measurement of global temperatures goes back about 150 years, the concern is that most of the warming (around 80 per cent) has taken place in just the past 40 years.

            https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-s...d/12/1880-2017

            The past 40 years coincide with the decades in which most fossil fuel use has occurred (see graphs in the post just above yours).

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            • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
              ^While accurate scientific measurement of global temperatures goes back about 150 years, the concern is that most of the warming (around 80 per cent) has taken place in just the past 40 years.

              https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-s...d/12/1880-2017

              The past 40 years coincide with the decades in which most fossil fuel use has occurred (see graphs in the post just above yours).
              Sooooooo, the rate of change isn't exceptional............., and the amount of warming isn't exceptional.......... ummmmm, what exactly is your point?
              "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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              • Originally posted by MrCombust View Post
                Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
                ^While accurate scientific measurement of global temperatures goes back about 150 years, the concern is that most of the warming (around 80 per cent) has taken place in just the past 40 years.

                https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-s...d/12/1880-2017

                The past 40 years coincide with the decades in which most fossil fuel use has occurred (see graphs in the post just above yours).
                Sooooooo, the rate of change isn't exceptional............., and the amount of warming isn't exceptional.......... ummmmm, what exactly is your point?
                ?

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                • The TRUTH. More scientific evidence CO2 won't affect temperatures.

                  Hello my fellow Edmontonians and Albertans.
                  We've seen from graphs and evidence above that natural changes in temperature could account for all of the present warming. There's nothing unusual happening. But what is the evidence that CO2 WILL cause warming, or that CO2 is causing most of the warming, even if it can't be proven from the noisy signal of normal variation? When trying to advance a theory in which you have a great deal of data, you look at past trends to see if what you propose has happened in the past.

                  You've all seen the graphs. Posted on NASA's website, NOAA, Al Gore featured a graph in his film, Union of concerned scientists, bogs everywhere.

                  Guess what? It's all fake.

                  Milankovitch cycles (cycles in the earth's orbit) cause the earth to warm and cool by as much as 10 degrees. When the ocean cools it absorbs CO2, when the oceans warm it releases CO2, and so throughout the last million years we see temperatures rising and falling, followed by CO2. And it's not even a close correlation. The lag is 300 to 800 years. We can go back even further when CO2 was 4,000 ppm or more, (10X what it is now) and look for correlation. There is none.

                  There is no evidence at all from past records that CO2 affects temperature.

                  So when they post graphs and tell you cancer causes smoking, ask them, "What the hell are you talking about?"


                  "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                  • Did you notice the little red line spiking at over 400ppm at the far right of the graph? in the past 450,000 years it was never over 300ppm until now.

                    You just proved you are WRONG!

                    Recent graph
                    Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 30-01-2018, 07:37 AM.
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                    • ^^Facepalm. Maybe you hoped we wouldn't notice the insane spike that suddenly goes over 400 ppm at the end?

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                      • Originally posted by MrCombust View Post
                        When the ocean cools it absorbs CO2, when the oceans warm it releases CO2, and so throughout the last million years we see temperatures rising and falling, followed by CO2.
                        The ocean's ability to be a carbon sink is literally killing it.

                        https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/...idification%3F

                        What is Ocean Acidification?

                        When carbon dioxide (CO2) is absorbed by seawater, chemical reactions occur that reduce seawater pH, carbonate ion concentration, and saturation states of biologically important calcium carbonate minerals. These chemical reactions are termed "ocean acidification" or "OA" for short. Calcium carbonate minerals are the building blocks for the skeletons and shells of many marine organisms. In areas where most life now congregates in the ocean, the seawater is supersaturated with respect to calcium carbonate minerals. This means there are abundant building blocks for calcifying organisms to build their skeletons and shells. However, continued ocean acidification is causing many parts of the ocean to become undersaturated with these minerals, which is likely to affect the ability of some organisms to produce and maintain their shells.


                        Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. Since the pH scale, like the Richter scale, is logarithmic, this change represents approximately a 30 percent increase in acidity. Future predictions indicate that the oceans will continue to absorb carbon dioxide and become even more acidic. Estimates of future carbon dioxide levels, based on business as usual emission scenarios, indicate that by the end of this century the surface waters of the ocean could be nearly 150 percent more acidic, resulting in a pH that the oceans haven’t experienced for more than 20 million years.
                        Giving less of a damn than ever… Can't laugh at the ignorant if you ignore them!

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                        • Originally posted by noodle View Post
                          Originally posted by MrCombust View Post
                          When the ocean cools it absorbs CO2, when the oceans warm it releases CO2, and so throughout the last million years we see temperatures rising and falling, followed by CO2.
                          The ocean's ability to be a carbon sink is literally killing it.

                          https://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/...idification%3F

                          What is Ocean Acidification?

                          When carbon dioxide (CO2) is absorbed by seawater, chemical reactions occur that reduce seawater pH, carbonate ion concentration, and saturation states of biologically important calcium carbonate minerals. These chemical reactions are termed "ocean acidification" or "OA" for short. Calcium carbonate minerals are the building blocks for the skeletons and shells of many marine organisms. In areas where most life now congregates in the ocean, the seawater is supersaturated with respect to calcium carbonate minerals. This means there are abundant building blocks for calcifying organisms to build their skeletons and shells. However, continued ocean acidification is causing many parts of the ocean to become undersaturated with these minerals, which is likely to affect the ability of some organisms to produce and maintain their shells.


                          Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, the pH of surface ocean waters has fallen by 0.1 pH units. Since the pH scale, like the Richter scale, is logarithmic, this change represents approximately a 30 percent increase in acidity. Future predictions indicate that the oceans will continue to absorb carbon dioxide and become even more acidic. Estimates of future carbon dioxide levels, based on business as usual emission scenarios, indicate that by the end of this century the surface waters of the ocean could be nearly 150 percent more acidic, resulting in a pH that the oceans haven’t experienced for more than 20 million years.

                          Do you really think the entire ocean, worldwide, is all at one pH level? Vast areas of the ocean change in value by .3 units seasonally. River basins, underground volcanos, rainfall, and local geology also affects pH locally. NOAA publishes climate change advocacy and is on board to tell people what they want to hear. I'll be posting articles about NOAA fudging climate data and lying to school kids with fake CO2 experiments. Climate "science" is so rampant with fraud nothing is credible anymore.
                          Last edited by MrCombust; 30-01-2018, 08:48 PM.
                          "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                          • I think this says it all. Look at the huge spike in at the end.
                            A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                            • Originally posted by Medwards View Post


                              I think this says it all. Look at the huge spike in at the end.
                              This is why I don't argue with climate change advocates like yourself. You completely missed the point. It's impossible to discuss things with advocates who miss the point, and repeat unrelated points over and over. My post doesn't dispute CO2 is rising. You want to make that point again and again? Go ahead.
                              "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                              • I think this says it all. Look at the huge spike in at the end.





                                A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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