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  • Global warming: 99.9999 percent chance humans are climate change cause

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...se/2994043002/

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    • The TRUTH. Climate "science" is hysterical...........

      Originally posted by KC View Post
      Global warming: 99.9999 percent chance humans are climate change cause

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...se/2994043002/
      Climate scientists are always 99.999999% sure. Even Einstein wasn't 99.999999% sure. The paper written by Ben Santer is good for a laugh, but not much more.

      99.9999% sure means 99.9999% desperation.

      Ben Santer has been 99.9999% sure for decades, but like all climate scientists, there's no shortage of failed predictions on his part.

      In a published paper he said this about his failed model predictions..................

      "Abstract:
      Over most of the early twenty-first century, however, model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed"
      https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2973

      How do you get to 99.9999% sure when you've been "substantially" wrong in the past?

      LOL

      The IPCC is just as silly. Thier "confidence level" goes up as thier predictions get worse. When you make predictions, and your predictions fail, your "confidence level" should go down, not up. All this easily googled.

      Last edited by MrCombust; 02-05-2019, 03:36 PM.
      "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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      • ^ This Ben Santer ??

        https://drtimball.ca/2019/%EF%BB%BFi...n-of-skeptics/


        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.70336266bd8f
        Last edited by Medwards; 02-05-2019, 02:59 PM.
        A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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        • https://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...=.b6199b3f7da3
          A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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          • "model tropospheric warming is substantially larger than observed"

            Yes, that Ben Santer. The one whose predictions deviated "substantially" from observed.

            Him and everybody else.
            Last edited by MrCombust; 02-05-2019, 03:22 PM.
            "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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            • By “him everyone else” you mean the ~0.03% percent of actual scientists?

              ”random quote here that doesnt add to the debate”
              A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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              • The TRUTH. NOAA's budget $5,000,000,000.00 for three decades..........

                $150,000,000,000.00 dollars and three decades later they just figured out there's a heat island effect!

                How much more will they need to do the research and correct for this?

                https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/10....MC-D-19-0002.1

                "Impacts of Small-Scale Urban Encroachment on Air Temperature Observations"

                "Abstract

                A field experiment was performed in Oak Ridge, TN, with four instrumented towers placed over grass at increasing distances (4, 30, 50, 124, and 300 m) from a built-up area. Stations were aligned in such a way to simulate the impact of small-scale encroachment on temperature observations. As expected, temperature observations were warmest for the site closest to the built environment with an average temperature difference of 0.31 and 0.24 °C for aspirated and unaspirated sensors respectively. Mean aspirated temperature differences were greater during the evening (0.47 °C) than day (0.16 °C). This was particularly true for evenings following greater daytime solar insolation (20+ MJDay−1) with surface winds from the direction of the built environment where mean differences exceeded 0.80 °C. The impact of the built environment on air temperature diminished with distance with a warm bias only detectable out to tower-B’ located 50 meters away.
                The experimental findings were comparable to a known case of urban encroachment at a U. S. Climate Reference Network station in Kingston, RI. The experimental and operational results both lead to reductions in the diurnal temperature range of ~0.39 °C for fan aspirated sensors. Interestingly, the unaspirated sensor had a larger reduction in DTR of 0.48 °C. These results suggest that small-scale urban encroachment within 50 meters of a station can have important impacts on daily temperature extrema (maximum and minimum) with the magnitude of these differences dependent upon prevailing environmental conditions and sensing technology."
                Last edited by MrCombust; 03-05-2019, 07:07 AM.
                "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                • ^The Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect is one of the most studied and well documented topics in climate science.

                  Of course when climate scientists adjust for the UHI effect by changing observation stations that comprise the surface temperature record from growing cities to more rural locations they are accused by deniers of falsifying the data.

                  The entire premise of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project (funded in part by the Koch Brothers) was to test the hypothesis that the UHI effect was biasing the global surface temperature record upward. By including all observation stations for which data was available going back 250 years (highly urban as well as rural and remote), there was a negligible difference in the amount of warming observed by Berkeley Earth compared to the other well known surface temperature records (GISS, NOAA, HAD/CRU).

                  http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/

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                  • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
                    ^The Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect is one of the most studied and well documented topics in climate science.

                    Of course when climate scientists adjust for the UHI effect by changing observation stations that comprise the surface temperature record from growing cities to more rural locations they are accused by deniers of falsifying the data.

                    The entire premise of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project (funded in part by the Koch Brothers) was to test the hypothesis that the UHI effect was biasing the global surface temperature record upward. By including all observation stations for which data was available going back 250 years (highly urban as well as rural and remote), there was a negligible difference in the amount of warming observed by Berkeley Earth compared to the other well known surface temperature records (GISS, NOAA, HAD/CRU).

                    http://berkeleyearth.org/summary-of-findings/
                    Berkeley earth is a liar blog run by the liar Richard Muller. Pretend denier turned believer when he saw the "science". I say pretend because he was never a denier. He says he used to be a skeptic on his Berkeley earth liar blog but you can google past statements by Richard Muller about the climate. It's not hard to verify he was never a skeptic.

                    I don't know why you guys are so addicted to liar blogs. And it's not hard to verify Richard Muller lies about being a skeptic in the past. I guess these idiots say what you want to hear. And then you preseent the crap here and pretend it's science.
                    Last edited by MrCombust; 03-05-2019, 10:31 AM.
                    "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                    • “and three decades later they just figured out there's a heat island effect! ”

                      That’s your maximum level of understanding resulting from the excerpt you posted?

                      So what’s your point? That they have big budgets? Or that they are determining what portion of the temperature records are due to the heat island effect?

                      So is it the temperature is the temperature no matter what, so moving equipment near exhaust pipes as you once pointed out doesn’t matter and so having urban growth approach equipment over the years doesn’t matter either. Nothing matters but the critics assessments that it is all bad science.

                      It’s obvious that your ideological blindness means that you are forever trying to play the “heads I win, tails you lose” game with every bit of information presented.

                      You sometimes seem to say the temperature record is showing an increase but say it’s not CO2, then variously posit that the temperature record isn’t showing a temperature rise or the rise is due to nefarious activity’s or equipment changes or any number of other things but then if adjustments are made well for that fact, well, “that’s just criminal”. Then you say higher CO2 will do wonderful things, more growth etc. So some scientifically proven CO2 effects are good so they are believable but bad effects are just bad science.

                      Then when I’ve asked you what the deniers equipment and temperature records are showing you say that all these science critics can’t do their own science - they can only critique others science - and the fact that they are spending money to do it. Such worthless opinion. You think you’re so good - then get off your asses and prove it. Shown me. Millions of dollars have been made available to write and advertise the anti-warming position but, oh no, no one over the past half-century could afford to monitor a few thermometers!

                      Moreover, some guy says he was sceptical but if he changes his mind he therefore could not have been a true sceptic as if he were he would never break rank, as if it was some ideological affiliation demanding lifelong adherence to the denier’s code.


                      You just have to admit to yourself that you “got religion”.
                      Last edited by KC; 03-05-2019, 09:45 AM.

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                      • ^^You know why global warming deniers don't create their own earth surface temperature record? I'm sure the Koch brothers would be happy to kick in some funding again. The deniers will never do this because they know they will get the same results as Muller (BEST), GISS, NOAA, HadCRU and numerous other earth surface temperature records.

                        Creating an earth surface temperature record is the most basic and replicable of all science, namely it's based on actual measurement of of thousands of data points over time.

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                        • Originally posted by East McCauley View Post
                          ^^You know why global warming deniers don't create their own earth surface temperature record? I'm sure the Koch brothers would be happy to kick in some funding again. The deniers will never do this because they know they will get the same results as Muller (BEST), GISS, NOAA, HadCRU and numerous other earth surface temperature records.

                          Creating an earth surface temperature record is the most basic and replicable of all science, namely it's based on actual measurement of of thousands of data points over time.
                          No, that's not why. The reason is we haven't invented time travel yet.

                          You guys are a riot!
                          "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                          • Why hasn’t this thread been closed.... is this 4 chan? Infowars.com? Why is connect2edmonton peddling in lies and fake science.

                            Who admins this place and why are they doing such a shat job.
                            "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

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                            • The TRUTH. Fake science that requires massive expenditure without discussion/debate

                              Originally posted by edmonton daily photo View Post
                              Why hasn’t this thread been closed.... is this 4 chan? Infowars.com? Why is connect2edmonton peddling in lies and fake science.

                              Who admins this place and why are they doing such a shat job.
                              Admin is doing a spectacular job!

                              Climate change is a policy that requires massive expenditure. And while the climate change thugs demand massive resources they say the issue is "settled", and shouldn't be discussed or debated.

                              Anytime you spend multi-billions on something, it should ALWAYS be up for debate.

                              I've posted more science articles on climate change here than all other posters combined.

                              And you're just another crybaby that doesn't post any science but demands money be spent, policies followed, and not discussed.

                              Free speech, scientific debate, and discussion lives here.

                              Kudos to you, Admin!
                              "Without feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 would result in 1 °C global warming, which is undisputed." Climate sensitivity, Wikipedia

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                              • Uh... ya... sure.

                                Flat earthers and antivaxers think the engage in”scientific” debate too, when they actually don’t.

                                I stand by my statement. This thread should be closed like the numerous others on things such as cont trails and Florida did before.

                                Does everyone remember the fluoride thread....
                                Last edited by edmonton daily photo; 03-05-2019, 11:57 AM.
                                "Do you give people who already use transit a better service, or do you build it where they don't use it in the hopes they might start to use it?" Nenshi

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