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  • Joint Calgary / Edmonton / Whistler Winter Olympics?

    Interesting comment in this article that Calgary Olympic bid is thinking of using the Arena in Edmonton, and the ski jump in Whistler to try and manage the crazy cost of hosting a Winter Olympics today:

    http://dailyhive.com/calgary/calgary...-november-2017

  • #2
    No, just no.

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    • #3
      If Alberta gets this again you know we're all going to be on the hook for this.
      Mom said I should not talk to cretins!

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      • #4
        If it's just billed as a Calgary Olympics then no way. Last thing we need is Rogers Place being associated with Calgary instead of Edmonton on an international stage. Besides, an Olympics win will be a bigger catalyst for a new arena in Calgary than the Flames' owners so I doubt it will be needed.
        “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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        • #5
          how does Whistler make any sense at all in this? There's a ski jump that could easily be re-used in Calgary.

          This is just silly.

          Even sharing between Edmonton and Calgary is a bit odd, without a high speed link between the two... and no, the olympics is not a good reason to built a 20-40 billion dollar white elephant.
          A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by envaneo View Post
            If Alberta gets this again you know we're all going to be on the hook for this.
            This would cost Edmontonians even if only Calgary gets the Olympics. Provincial and Federal subsidies and any debt would be spread across Canadian taxpayers.
            On Calgary's Olympic bid, economists say run away — fast
            "How do I put it succinctly, other than 'Nooooo'?"
            http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/...-run-away-fast
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            Earlier this year, the Calgary Bid Exploration Committee released a report suggesting the Games could increase GDP over the course of the next nine years by between $2.21 billion and $2.66 billion; that it could create 27,000 person-years of employment and generate $515 million in tax revenue. The report also predicted another $2.19 billion in revenue thanks to ticketing, merchandising, sponsorship and contributions from the International Olympics Committee.

            Of course, the Games would cost $4.6 billion to host, which raises the question of whether it would be comparably more prudent to throw a few billion from an airplane over the Calgary area.


            Moshe Lander, a sports economics professor at Concordia University in Montreal, said the economics just don’t justify the bid.


            “How do I put it succinctly, other than ‘Nooooo’?” he said.


            “The Olympics don’t make money. The only Olympics that made money were the 1984 Los Angeles Games … and that was because they branded everything so much that they were jokingly referred to as the McDonald’s Games.”


            - The Games lose money. They overstate the benefits and understate the costs
            - Calgary would need a new hockey arena — which would hand Flames owners extraordinary leverage in its negotiations with the city.
            - The strictly economic answer is quite simple: If there is no business case for conducting these improvements without the Olympics, then the Olympics alone don’t make for a very good business case.
            - Picture concrete barriers, a no-go downtown zone and more than two weeks of lost productivity as the city converts to a high-security lockdown.
            - “Nobody wants the games anymore. The only places that want them are non-democratic countries that don’t care if the taxpayer is going to be fleeced for the cash.
            - “It’s a bunch of professional athletes roided up who are basically representing their country in a very high stakes game of war dressed up as sports,”


            That doesn’t mean the Olympics wouldn’t be a wild party, he adds. But “that’s an expensive way to lift spirits.”
            Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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            • #7
              No,no no, no,

              and NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              "if god exists and he allowed that to happen, then its better that he doesn't exist"

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              • #8
                Why not?


                "The final tally of the cost for the Olympics was $1.6bn, a more than 13-fold increase, including at least $1.1bn for the stadium alone. In popular lore, the Big O had officially become the Big Owe. When all was said and done, the city was left with debt that took 30 years to pay off."

                The 40-year hangover: how the 1976 Olympics nearly broke Montreal
                The Montreal Olympics left the city with a C$1.6bn debt, a string of corruption scandals, and a creeping sense of economic and social decline. Forty years on, how did the city survive?
                https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2...ontreal-canada


                After clinching the 1976 Olympics, the mayor of Montreal at the time, Jean Drapeau, boasted the Games would be the first auto-financed Olympics.
                "The Montreal Olympics can no more have a deficit, than a man can have a baby," he said, a prediction that would haunt him, as construction costs ballooned and sent the final price tag into the stratosphere.
                Last edited by Edmonton PRT; 22-11-2017, 08:54 AM.
                Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Medwards View Post
                  how does Whistler make any sense at all in this? There's a ski jump that could easily be re-used in Calgary.

                  This is just silly.

                  Even sharing between Edmonton and Calgary is a bit odd, without a high speed link between the two... and no, the olympics is not a good reason to built a 20-40 billion dollar white elephant.
                  The Calgary ski jump is too small. In 1988 the regulation heights were 70 m and 90 m, now they are 90 m and 120 m.

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                  • #10
                    so build a 120m one. Still likely cheaper than some sort of transportation link between Whistler and Calgary.

                    Nothing about this bid makes sense. The only reason Edmonton and Whistler are being added is to make it seem like the debt can be shared by more than one city.
                    A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims, but accomplices.

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                    • #11
                      Not interested. Money pit.
                      Legacy facilities not worth it for the general population.
                      Definitely not worth it for the rest of Alberta outside Calgary who would bare the majority of cost.

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                      • #12
                        ^ Most likely they would get a good chunk of investment from "the Province."
                        Mom said I should not talk to cretins!

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                        • #13
                          All the things that need funding right now this is the last thing we need.
                          Just enjoying another day in paradise.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                            Why not?


                            "The final tally of the cost for the Olympics was $1.6bn, a more than 13-fold increase, including at least $1.1bn for the stadium alone. In popular lore, the Big O had officially become the Big Owe. When all was said and done, the city was left with debt that took 30 years to pay off."
                            Could we compare to something more recent, relevant and comparable - such as 2010 Vancouver? (even Calgary 88 is more relevant given that it was a winter games) Granted, I don't know what the numbers are, and definitely question if it would be worth it... I just think it's dumb when people talk about the Montreal Summer Olympics as an example of why to avoid the Winter Olympics when there have been two more recent games in Canada.

                            I actually think co-hosting might be the way to go in order for the Olympics to start making financial sense, and likely the only way the Olympics continue in the future. For example, the Winter Olympics need two arenas if I recall. A joint bid means each city can provide one. I think the idea is to try and avoid spending billions on facilities that are really only used for two weeks, and a focus on trying to use what is currently there.

                            With that being said I would definitely be against Edmonton being involved unless we were clearly co-branded.

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                            • #15
                              Then read the link in post #6
                              Advocating a better Edmonton through effective, efficient and economical transit.

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