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  • USA to Turkey: "Stop... or we may have to... like, ask you to stop again."

    Syria war: US warns over Turkish-Kurdish violence

    The US says fighting between Turkey, pro-Turkish rebels and Kurdish-aligned forces in northern Syria is "unacceptable" and must stop.

    Clashes in places where so-called Islamic State (IS) was not present were a "source of deep concern", the US envoy to the anti-IS coalition tweeted.
    Turkish forces have attacked what they say are Kurdish "terrorists" since crossing the border last week.

    But the Kurdish YPG militia says Turkey just wants to occupy Syrian territory.

    Like I said, there is some type of agreement going on here between Turkey and Russia, and the USA is not being consulted.


    • ^Another Obama red line to be completely ignored, yup. Turkey is in NATO, the US can do squat. Just hope our forces fighting with the kurds don't get killed by some turks. Whole thing is a total mess.


      • Here's the Russian news outlet's op ed... with a plug for Trump. Ever feel like we're living the book 1984 for real?

        US in denial over sponsoring terrorism is why Syrian war rages on

        That vacuity from Washington vindicates the Syrian and Russian assessment as essentially correct: the vast majority of the anti-government opposition are terrorist entities. They may have countless different names, but they share the same extremist ideology and methods; and ultimately they share the same sponsors among foreign states for weapons and funding. Chief among these sponsors is Washington, Britain and France, as well as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf monarchies.

        The Western media indulge in the same bankrupt, mendacious thinking by referring to “inter-mingling” between “moderates” and “extremists”. This is plainly a delusional narrative that has no bearing on reality in Syria. More than this it is a psychological operation of deception to conceal criminality of governments from their citizens.

        The disclosure by former US intelligence chief Lt General Michael Flynn that the Obama administration was well aware from as early as 2012 that its covert support to anti-government militants in Syria was fomenting jihadist terrorism was a rare moment of honesty. Obama’s Secretary of State at that crucial time was Hillary Clinton. In that regard, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump is right to say that Obama and Clinton “created” Islamic State and other related jihadist terrorist groups.

        per der Spiegel

        Syria à la Carte: Turkish Invasion Highlights Rapidly Shifting Alliances

        One common description of chaos theory holds that the flapping of a butterfly's wings can trigger a tornado. And it could very well be that the theory is the best tool we currently have available to describe the complex situation in Syria. The butterfly wings in this case was the late July decision by the Syrian regime to recruit new tribal militia fighters in a remote northeastern province. The tornado it triggered four weeks later was threefold: the invasion of northern Syria by the Turkish army; the sudden expulsion of Islamic State from the border town of Jarabulus; and the US military suddenly finding itself on both sides of a new front in Syria -- that between the Turks and the Kurds.


        Once the Turkish tanks had established their position on a hill west of Jarabulus, they began firing on the fragmented IS units in the city. But they also fired on those troops that had likewise been seeking to liberate Jarabulus from IS: the Kurdish-controlled SDF militia, which had advanced on the city from the south. For the Turks, it was a two-fold success: For one, they attacked IS, which Ankara believes was behind the attack last weekend on a wedding in Gaziantep which killed over 50 people.


        In the tactical shifting of alliances in Syria, the Kurds had hoped to be the cleverest player. Now, however, it looks as though they may have risked too much.

        To make matters worse for the Kurds, their relations with the US have likewise deteriorated rapidly, despite being Washington's closest ally in the fight against Islamic State. After pushing IS out of its own areas, Kurdish fighters did not, as had been agreed with the US,...


        mrm_penumathy Yesterday at 07:25 PM
        It is strange and usual misrepresentation of the history. Kurds were indeed given a free hand in Jarabulus. But they thought they are too big to stop because of US support for them and took on the Syrian Govt forces In Jarabulus. Remember the US General in Turkey warned that they will take down the Syrian and Russian air forces and shoot them down if they attacked their assets in Jarabulus. So to make the story short it is the US that folded and dumped the Kurds like a hot potatoe when the Sultan sent his army to take out the Kurds in Jarabulus. People who selectively site history to make a point loose their credibility.
        Last edited by KC; 29-08-2016, 01:38 PM.


        • We can all agree that Donald Trump is a blockhead who constantly opens his mouth just to switch feet, but comments like this should have all everyone concerned:

          Hillary Clinton’s Plan to Destroy Russia

          By Eric Zuesse
          Global Research, September 01, 2016

          Leaked emails are filling in the picture of a Bill-and-Hillary-Clinton plan to destroy Russia — a plan which had originated with U.S. President George Herbert Walker Bush in 1990, and which has been followed through both by his son George W. Bush, and by both of the Clintons, but which has only recently started to become documented by leaked publications of personal communications amongst the key operatives who were the insiders running this operation behind the scenes, and who include Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, George W. Bush, Victoria Nuland, Jeffrey Feltman, Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan al-Saud, Saudi Crown Prince Muhammed bin Salman al-Saud, and the Emir of Qatar.

          This operation came out into public view only briefly when the news site Zero Hedge headlined on 6 October 2015 “Saudi Clerics Call For Jihad Against Russia, Iran” and linked to a number of sources, including to a Wall Street Journal report the day before, which simply ignored the Saudi involvement and headlined “U.S. Sees Russian Drive Against CIA-Backed Rebels in Syria”, as if this matter were merely a U.S.-v.-Russia issue, not an issue involving the Saud family at all. By contrast, the zerohedge article closed with “‘This is a real war on Sunnis, their countries and their identities,’ said the statement [by the International Union of Muslim Scholars, which is based in Qatar, whose ruling family, the Thanis, work closely with the Saud family].

          It urged the rebels to join a ‘jihad against the enemy of God and your enemy, and Muslims will back you every way they can.’” As a British news-site for jihadists put the matter, “According to experts, by issuing this statement they seek to encourage Saudi, Gulf, and Muslim youths to fight against Russian forces, similar to the recruitment of young fighters during the Afghan-Soviet war.”


          • heh, you should really check your sources. Global Research is an anti-Western, conspiracy website that can't distinguish between real and fake news:

            There's nuggets of truth to articles there, but overall it's not credible. Articles have been published on that site claiming that the 9/11 attacks were conducted by the US government, for example. It's anti-vaccine, pro-chemtrails, and so on.


            • Another averted "dry run" of a terrorist plot? British police also have made over 260 arrests related to terror plots since the beginning of the year, adding two more arrests to the list today:

              Isis plot to attack UK' smashed by anti-terror police

              Car containing gas cylinders found parked near Paris' Notre Dame cathedral, police say


              • "- Why are you doing bad things? No, why is the West doing bad things? Never mind us."

                I think large part of Islamism is about never answering a single straight question with a straight answer. Spiegel interview with an Islamic State recruiter:



                • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                  "- Why are you doing bad things? No, why is the West doing bad things? Never mind us."

                  I think large part of Islamism is about never answering a single straight question with a straight answer. Spiegel interview with an Islamic State recruiter:

                  Great interview, worthy of quoting to get people to read the whole thing for some insight into some minds.

                  The simplicity and self-serving nature of a black and white view of the world:

                  Abu Sattar: Democracy is for infidels. A real Muslim is not a democrat because he doesn't care about the opinions of majorities and minorities don't interest him. He is only interested in what Islam says. Furthermore, democracy is a hegemonic tool of the West and contrary to Islam. Why do you act as though the entire world needs democracy? And when it comes to homosexuality, the issue is clearly dealt with by the Koran. It says it is forbidden and should be punished.

                  SPIEGEL ONLINE: Such statements help cast suspicion on all Muslims. In many countries, they are under pressure to distance themselves from Islamic State even though they have nothing at all to do with terror.

                  Abu Sattar: So? Are they speaking out against us? (Laughs) I think we enjoy much more support than you would like to believe. Those who demand that Muslims take sides are totally right. We go even a step further: All people should disclose whether they submit to Allah or not. Those who are against us are our enemies and must be fought. That includes people who call themselves Muslims but who don't lead their lives as such -- people who drink, who don't pray, who don't fast, who have constantly changing partners and who are unable to recite the Koran.


                  They have their book, we have our minds:

                  Milton Glaser:
                  Ten Things I Have Learned

                  Everyone always talks about confidence in believing what you do. I remember once going to a class in yoga where the teacher said that, spirituality speaking, if you believed that you had achieved enlightenment you have merely arrived at your limitation. I think that is also true in a practical sense. Deeply held beliefs of any kind prevent you from being open to experience, which is why I find all firmly held ideological positions questionable. It makes me nervous when someone believes too deeply or too much. I think that being skeptical and questioning all deeply held beliefs is essential. Of course we must know the difference between skepticism and cynicism because cynicism is as much a restriction of one's openness to the world as passionate belief is. They are sort of twins. And then in a very real way, ...

                  Ideally, making everyone win through acts of accommodation is desirable. But self-righteousness is often the enemy. Self-righteousness and narcissism generally come out of some sort of childhood trauma, which we do not have to go into. It is a consistently difficult thing in human affairs. Some years ago I read a most remarkable thing about love, that also applies to the nature of co-existing with others. It was a quotation from Iris Murdoch in her obituary. It read ' Love is the extremely difficult realization that something other than oneself is real.' Isn't that fantastic! The best insight on the subject of love that one can imagine.

                  Last edited by KC; 09-09-2016, 09:59 AM.


                  • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                    "- Why are you doing bad things? No, why is the West doing bad things? Never mind us."

                    I think large part of Islamism is about never answering a single straight question with a straight answer. Spiegel interview with an Islamic State recruiter:

                    Or maybe its just a hint that these maters should be discussed within a certain context? Its easy to start a war against ideas which you simply reject, but it is not so easy to win such a war without a good understanding where these ideas are coming from, IMO.


                    • US airstrike in Syria kills at lest 62 Syrian troops that were fighting ISIS. The destruction of that base allows Islamic State to advance. USA says "oops":



                      Moscow has called an urgent UN Security Council meeting, says The White House is defending Islamic State (since this isn't the first the the USA has done this:


                      I think the world can kiss the ceasefire goodbye.


                      • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                        US airstrike in Syria kills at lest 62 Syrian troops that were fighting ISIS. The destruction of that base allows Islamic State to advance. USA says "oops":



                        Moscow has called an urgent UN Security Council meeting, says The White House is defending Islamic State (since this isn't the first the the USA has done this:


                        I think the world can kiss the ceasefire goodbye.
                        Whenever this stuff happens and other superpowers are involved, I always wonder if it wasn't a setup, especially these days where hacking could maybe change coordinates, mapping, identifiers, even voice communications. ie have a Russian jet fly over Turkey while the pilot thinks s/he is still over Syria.


                        • ISIS now may have attacked US and Iraqi troops with a chemical weapon:



                          • NATO and Russia are steadily concentrating military forces (including nuclear missiles) and nobody seems to care. This is the largest military standoff since the Cold War.

                            Britain, U.S. sending planes, troops to deter Russia in the east

                            Britain said on Wednesday it will send fighter jets to Romania next year and the United States promised troops, tanks and artillery to Poland in NATO's biggest military build-up on Russia's borders since the Cold War.

                            Germany, Canada and other NATO allies also pledged forces at a defense ministers meeting in Brussels on the same day two Russian warships armed with cruise missiles entered the Baltic Sea between Sweden and Denmark, underscoring East-West tensions.

                            In Madrid, the foreign ministry said Russia had withdrawn a request to refuel three warships in Spain's North African enclave of Ceuta after NATO allies said they could be used to target civilians in Syria.

                            The ships were part of an eight-ship carrier battle group - including Russia's sole aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov - that is expected to join around 10 other Russian vessels already off the Syrian coast, diplomats said.

                            NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said the troop contributions to a new 4,000-strong force in the Baltics and eastern Europe were a measured response to what the alliance believes are some 330,000 Russian troops stationed on Russia's western flank near Moscow.

                            "This month alone, Russia has deployed nuclear-capable Iskander missiles to Kaliningrad and suspended a weapons-grade plutonium agreement with the United States," Stoltenberg said, also accusing Russia of continued support for rebels in Ukraine.



                            • Interesting. About an hour ago I was reading that it was an Air Canada flight, or a flight from Canada. And the comments on different sites about it being an islamic terrorist were very interesting. Pulled this article just now. However, of course reporting facts is never a priority over getting clicks...

                              Five dead, eight injured at Fort Lauderdale airport; suspect had gun in checked bag
                              JANUARY 6, 2017 1:30 PM

                              "The suspected gunman was identified as Esteban Santiago, law enforcement officials told the Miami Herald. He is thought to have been a passenger on a flight from Canada that landed at FLL at around noon with a checked gun in his baggage.

                              After retrieving his bag, Santiago is believed to have gone into the bathroom and loaded the weapon. Then he stepped into the Terminal 2 baggage-claim area and began shooting."

                              Official: Suspected Shooter Checked In Gun From Canadian Flight
                              CBS Local-2 hours ago
                              According to Broward Commissioner Chip LaMarca, Esteban-Ruiz was a passenger on a Canadian flight with a gun that he checked in.


                              "Earlier reports claimed Santiago-Ruiz came in on a flight from Canada. On the company’s Twitter account, Air Canada confirmed that no one by that name was on their flight."

                              FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- An arriving airline passenger pulled a gun from his luggage and opened fire in the baggage claim area at the Fort Lauderdale airport Friday, killing five people and wounding eight before throwing his weapon down and lying spread-eagle on the ground, authorities and witnesses said.

                              Chip LaMarca, a Broward County commissioner who was briefed on the attack by the sheriff's office, had said the shooter had arrived aboard a Canadian flight, but
                              Canadian officials said that was not the case.

                              Canadian Embassy spokeswoman Christine Constantin said in an email to The Associated Press that the suspect did not travel from Canada and was not on an Air Canada flight. She said the suspect has no connection to Canada.

                              The shooting happened at the airport's terminal 2, where Air Canada and Delta operate flights.

                              "We understand from officials he was on a flight originating in Anchorage, transiting through Minneapolis and landing in Ft. Lauderdale," Constantin's email says.
                              Global Affairs Canada also said the flight on which Fort Lauderdale airport suspect arrived did not originate in Canada nor was a Canadian carrier involved. Air

                              Canada said it has no record of any passenger with the name of suspect nor of any checked guns on any of its flights to the city.

                              Fox news headline right now:

                              At least 5 dead, 8 hospitalized after shooting at Ft. Lauderdale airport
                              Published January 06, 2017

                              The suspect brought a gun in a checked bag on an Air Canada flight, officials said. "He claimed his bag and took the gun from baggage and went into the bathroom to load it. Came out shooting people in baggage claim," Broward County Commissioner Chip LaMarca wrote on Facebook.

                              Last edited by KC; 06-01-2017, 03:31 PM.


                              • I have to take my shoes off, had a lip gloss taken away, and yet you can put guns in your baggage. I think that should not be allowed! Its wrong..!
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