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  • Originally posted by Chmilz View Post
    Events in Nice were a terrible tragedy. I walked that stretch just a couple years ago. My flair continues to be accurate.
    They need to think about installing retractable bollards on various streets where crowds gather.

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    • Originally posted by KC View Post
      Originally posted by Chmilz View Post
      Events in Nice were a terrible tragedy. I walked that stretch just a couple years ago. My flair continues to be accurate.
      They need to think about installing retractable bollards on various streets where crowds gather.
      Nah, we just need to cut religion loose.
      "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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      • Great, the rebels the US (and Canada, and other Western nations) are supporting in Syria just beheaded a 10 year old boy and took a video of it:

        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36835678

        Thank you Obama for picking such great and noble forces to support

        A report published by the human rights group Amnesty International earlier this month detailed a series of violations allegedly committed by Nour al-Din al-Zinki Movement fighters, including abductions and torture.

        The group is reported to have benefited from financial and military support from the US, UK, France, Turkey, Qatar and other Gulf Arab states in the past.

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        • ^Newsflash - they're all messed up. There's no "good side".
          "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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          • Turkey revokes licenses of 21,000 teachers, and have removed Deans from every Turkish university. Education is Islam's biggest enemy, and Erdogan is using this coup to get rid of his biggest enemy.

            https://www.rt.com/news/352119-turke...-coup-attempt/

            Islamo-fascist state? No need to predict; it's already here.

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            • There's a lot of analysts that believe Erdogan, while not behind the coup from the outset, pulled a lot of the strings to make it happen when and the way it did, to get the outcome he wanted so he could use it as a platform to do exactly what he's doing. He had lists of dissenters ready the moment he surfaced, with 6000 military officers, police, judges, and others imprisoned almost immediately.
              "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction" - Blaise Pascal

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              • Duplicated post
                Last edited by KC; 26-07-2016, 05:30 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Chmilz View Post
                  There's a lot of analysts that believe Erdogan, while not behind the coup from the outset, pulled a lot of the strings to make it happen when and the way it did, to get the outcome he wanted so he could use it as a platform to do exactly what he's doing. He had lists of dissenters ready the moment he surfaced, with 6000 military officers, police, judges, and others imprisoned almost immediately.

                  Turkey’s Erdogan Cleans House to Form a More Perfect Islamic State
                  http://finance.yahoo.com/news/turkey...100000935.html


                  Changing alliances...

                  Putin and Erdogan: The Beginning of a Beautiful Friendship

                  “This is a lose-lose proposition for the West: either it takes a pragmatic stance and accepts what Erdogan is doing, despite the evident breaches of human rights, law and justice entailed, undermining its claims to having values-based policies. Or it risks losing a crucial partner in both military and migration matters. Putin – who never claimed to a values-based foreign policy – can simply make encouraging noises, sit back and watch the West tie itself in knots,” says Mark Galeotti, an expert in security and military affairs.

                  https://themoscowtimes.com/articles/...iendship-54742



                  04-03-2014
                  Originally posted by Ustauk View Post
                  Originally posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
                  Originally posted by KC View Post
                  I wonder if Turkey is starting to sweat a bit. It might soon prove a nice addition to the new Russian empire.
                  Turkey is a full member of NATO with an active military four times the size of Ukraine's. Also, Russia can't claim to the be defending Russian speakers/citizens the way they can with Georgia and Ukraine. Not going to happen.
                  Not to mention that if Russia even hinted that they were attempting to conquer it to regain the original seat of Orthodox Christianity, or Turkey framed it that way in its defence, you'd have every Middle Eastern Muslim nation, including Iran and Syria, lining up besides NATO to fight Russia. I doubt even Putin would be nuts enough to kick up that hornets' nest.
                  http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/showt...turkey+Ukraine
                  Last edited by KC; 26-07-2016, 05:41 PM.

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                  • The more and more that I think about it, I am getting the feeling that this is a masterstroke from Putin.

                    Apparently Russian and Iranian intelligence got whiff of the military coup early enough to be able to warn Putin himself, who rumors say PERSONALLY called Erdogan to give him the lowdown:

                    http://www.fort-russ.com/2016/07/tur...nks-putin.html


                    How come these 2 are the only nations that knew what was going to go down?

                    And right now Erdogan is traveling to the Kremlin to make overtures of "friendship" to the Russians, and Putin is making him eat humble pie.

                    I am starting to think that the Russians really war-gamed this out very professionally, and may have even had a hand in giving certain officers assurances of support in the event of a coup, only to turn around and sell them down the river, but in this way securing Turkey's compliance by putting Erdogan in the "I'll do whatever you want position".

                    If so, it's ruthless but absolutely brilliant.

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                    • ^It would make a lot of sense for Russia to deploy and invest significant intelligence assets in Turkey. First there is Turkey's proximity to Russia's southern flank, Russia considers the Black Sea to be its own private "lake" (much to the detriment of Ukraine as Russia covets Crimea).

                      Then there is Turkey's proximity and animosity towards Syria and Russia's regional ally Assad. It is to their benefit that Turkey behaves more preferentially towards Russia with the added benefit of possibly undermining NATO's unity and distancing Turkey from the EU.
                      Did my dog just fall into a pothole???

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                      • Originally posted by norwoodguy View Post
                        ^It would make a lot of sense for Russia to deploy and invest significant intelligence assets in Turkey. First there is Turkey's proximity to Russia's southern flank, Russia considers the Black Sea to be its own private "lake" (much to the detriment of Ukraine as Russia covets Crimea).

                        Then there is Turkey's proximity and animosity towards Syria and Russia's regional ally Assad. It is to their benefit that Turkey behaves more preferentially towards Russia with the added benefit of possibly undermining NATO's unity and distancing Turkey from the EU.
                        Plus improved access to the Mediterranean sea (maybe it's port in Syria) and improved ability to sever various Euro-mid east connections (trade, pipeline, etc.)

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                        • Islamic State Magazine - Read the chapter "Why We Hate you, Why We Fight you" in particular.

                          http://www.clarionproject.org/factsh...-the-cross.pdf


                          Anyone who is any kind of supporter or apologist for these psychopaths should be locked up for life.

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                          • Whoa - who saw this coming? The Russians certainly knew about this, as it comes hot on the heels of Erdogan's visit to the Kremlin:



                            Turkish tanks cross Syrian border in military op to retake city of Jarablus from ISIS


                            Turkey has launched a ground incursion into Syria targeting Islamic State and Kurdish fighters near the town of Jarablus. Ankara says it wants to take the town to stop cross-border attacks, while the Kurds warn that Turkish troops will get into a quagmire.
                            https://www.rt.com/news/356959-turki...s-cross-syria/




                            There is a definite complex game of chess being waged by several players here. And yet again, the USA was for sure blindsided by the move.

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                            • Originally posted by MrOilers View Post
                              There is a definite complex game of chess being waged by several players here. And yet again, the USA was for sure blindsided by the move.
                              From the linked news release:
                              The operation, called Euphrates Shield, is also being supported by Turkish air forces, as well as A-10S and F-16 warplanes from the US-led coalition.

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                              • Coalition yes, but this move is blocking Kurdish expansion (which is the group that the US is primarily backing).

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