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    I thought that I would start a thread on the Coronavirus to allow people to discuss the threat and the effects.

    Please only post SOURCED material when making claims.

    All information presented should be factual and prevent 'Dangerous:' social media myths such as "Miracle" cures like drinking bleach and other disinformation

    Because of the rapidly developing story, dating articles will help in informing people of their relevance.


    Fear mounting as coronavirus cases rise outside China
    South Korea, Italy, Iran report increases, Afghanistan has case in border province
    Thomson Reuters · Posted: Feb 24, 2020
    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/fear-m...hina-1.5473446

    Dow Jones Index plummets almost 1,000 points as spreading coronavirus fears rattle traders
    Gwen Everett
    Feb. 24, 2020, 10:09 AM
    https://markets.businessinsider.com/...0-2-1028932093

    Don't drink bleach: 4 myths about coronavirus and how to spot them
    Catharine Richert February 6, 2020
    https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/0...w-to-spot-them
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  • #2
    not to be a chicken little but...

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...searcher-says?
    "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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    • #3

      So far, unlike the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 that hit the very young, the very old and a spoke in healthy 20-35 age range, Coronavirus is hitting the elderly and ill very hard.

      The comparisons to other epidemics is interesting and reduces the 'sky is falling' mantra


      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu


      Coronavirus https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/
      AGE DEATH RATE*
      80+ years old 14.8%
      70-79 years old 8.0%
      60-69 years old 3.6%
      50-59 years old 1.3%
      40-49 years old 0.4%
      30-39 years old 0.2%
      20-29 years old 0.2%
      10-19 years old 0.2%
      0-9 years old no fatalities
      PRE-EXISTING CONDITION DEATH RATE*
      Cardiovascular disease 10.5%
      Diabetes 7.3%
      Chronic respiratory disease 6.3%
      Hypertension 6.0%
      Cancer 5.6%
      no pre-existing conditions 0.9%
      Comparisons:

      • Every year an estimated 290,000 to 650,000 people die in the world due to complications from seasonal influenza (flu) viruses. This figure corresponds to 795 to 1,781 deaths per day due to the seasonal flu.
      • SARS (November 2002 to July 2003): was a coronavirus that originated from Beijing, China, spread to 29 countries, and resulted in 8,096 people infected with 774 deaths (fatality rate of 9.6%). Considering that SARS ended up infecting 5,237 people in mainland China, Wuhan Coronavirus surpassed SARS on January 29, 2020, when Chinese officials confirmed 5,974 cases of the novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). One day later, on January 30, 2020 the novel coronavirus cases surpassed even the 8,096 cases worldwide which were the final SARS count in 2003.
      • MERS (in 2012) killed 858 people out of the 2,494 infected (fatality rate of 34.4%).
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#repro
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      • #4
        https://time.com/5790158/coronavirus...cost-trillion/
        "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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        • #5
          Trump downplays Coronavirus while trying to deflect with rosy stock market predictions after the Dow fell more than 1,700 points in the past week

          Donald Trump seems to know very little about the coronavirus
          https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/25/polit...rus/index.html
          "I think that's a problem that's going to go away," Trump said of the virus, which has expanded this week in Italy, Austria, Croatia and Iran. In Iran, a day after the health minster appeared publicly to make clear that all was well, it was announced he had coronavirus.

          In that news conference, the President insisted that "they have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're very close to a vaccine." There's no available evidence that a vaccine is "close," in fact, most infectious disease experts say developing a vaccine for the virus is roughly a year away. Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tennessee), who chairs the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee, told CNN's Manu Raju Tuesday morning that "the vaccine for the coronavirus is moving more rapidly than any vaccine we have already tried to approve -- but it will take a year or 18 months. The way to stop (an outbreak) is quarantine and monitoring."

          Trump also claimed in the news conference that all the US coronavirus patients "are getting better ... they're all getting better." That followed a tweet very early Tuesday morning in India that read: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
          Trump acts hypocritically when he attacked President Obama who evacuated Americans with Ebola from Africa and Trump used the outbreak to score political points

          The Rank Hypocrisy of Trump’s Ebola Tweets
          Five years ago, the doctor Kent Brantly was evacuated back to the U.S. after being infected with Ebola—against the wishes of the man who is now president.
          https://www.theatlantic.com/health/a...tweets/595420/
          AUGUST 3, 2019

          No single person fanned those flames with more enthusiasm than Trump.

          On July 31, (2015) two days before Brantly was due to be evacuated (and almost a year before Trump began his campaign by descending down a gold escalator), Trump tweeted, “Ebola patient will be brought to the U.S. in a few days—now I know for sure that our leaders are incompetent. KEEP THEM OUT OF HERE!”

          A day later he added, “Stop the EBOLA patients from entering the U.S. Treat them, at the highest level, over there. THE UNITED STATES HAS ENOUGH PROBLEMS!” And later that evening, “The U.S. cannot allow EBOLA infected people back. People that go to far away places to help out are great—but must suffer the consequences!”

          The next day: “The fact that we are taking the Ebola patients, while others from the area are fleeing to the United States, is absolutely CRAZY—Stupid pols.” And also: “The U.S. must immediately stop all flights from EBOLA infected countries or the plague will start and spread inside our ‘borders.’ Act fast!”

          Those tweets encapsulate many of the themes that have come to define Trump’s presidency: barriers and exclusion; fear of the “other”; cruelty toward those in need; and division between “us” and “them,” even when both are American citizens. And much like his later campaign rhetoric and rally speeches, these messages worked. “It was that tweet that created a level of anxiety in the country,” said Amy Pope, a White House counterterrorism official, in an interview with the journalist Reid Wilson. “That was a crystallizing moment.”

          Trump continued to opine on Ebola for the rest of 2015. When the Liberian man Thomas Eric Duncan was diagnosed with Ebola in Dallas, Trump tweeted that “IT WILL ONLY GET WORSE.” He repeatedly called for stopping all air traffic to and from the outbreak zone. He called Barack Obama a “psycho” for not enacting such a ban and “dumb” for deploying thousands of troops—a move that was important in stemming the outbreak. He spread misinformation about how contagious Ebola is and stoked fears that it could easily spread.
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          • #6
            https://www.newyorker.com/culture/pe...-in-singapore?

            an interesting article on the personal/non-medical side of dealing with the corona virus in that it brings to the forefront much of what we all deal with every day in making decisions around individual and family and community risk...
            "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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            • #7
              okay, we can relax a little bit - trump has put pence in charge.
              Donald Trump declared Wednesday that the U.S. is "very, very ready" for whatever the coronavirus threat brings, and he put his vice-president in charge of overseeing the nation's response.
              "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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              • #8
                Listening to Trump was very irritating. He repeated himself multiple times, stating that the risk was very, very low and reiterating than only 15 people have been affected and they are in pretty good shape.

                "Of the 15 people, ... eight of them have returned to their homes, to stay at their homes until they're fully recovered. One is in the hospital. And five have fully recovered. And one we think is in pretty good shape," Trump said.
                https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/26/polit...ket/index.html

                Trump also said that they were working on a vaccine that will be available very, very quickly, then the adults in the room clarified the reality

                National Institutes of Health's top infectious disease chief Dr. Anthony Fauci cautioned reporters that in a best-case scenario, "you're talking about a year to a year and a half" before any vaccine would be ready for widespread use.

                Of course, Trump went off script to attack the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi and then blathered about the Stock Market and the election.

                Signature Trump
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                • #9
                  Snopes

                  Did Trump Fire the US Pandemic Response Team?


                  TRUE

                  Legum outlined a series of cost-cutting decisions made by the Trump administration in preceding years that gutted the nation’s infectious disease defense infrastructure. The “pandemic response team” is a reference to news stories from spring 2018 reporting that White House officials tasked with directing a national response to a pandemic had been ousted.

                  Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer abruptly departed from his post leading the global health security team on the National Security Council in May 2018 amid a reorganization of the council by then-National Security Advisor John Bolton. Ziemer’s team was disbanded. Tom Bossert, who as The Washington Post reported, “had called for a comprehensive biodefense strategy against pandemics and biological attacks,” had been fired one month prior.

                  It’s true that the Trump administration axed the executive branch team responsible for coordinating a response to a pandemic and did not replace it, eliminating Ziemer’s position and reassigning others, although Bolton was the executive at the top of the National Security Council chain of command at the time.


                  Legum stated in a follow-up tweet, “Trump also cut funding for the CDC, forcing the CDC to cancel its efforts to help countries prevent infectious-disease threats from becoming epidemics in 39 of 49 countries in 2018. Among the countries abandoned? China.” That was confirmed in 2018 reports saying that funding for the CDC’s global disease outbreak prevention efforts were cut by 80%, which included the agency’s efforts in China.
                  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tr...pandemic-team/
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                  • #10
                    Trump's Biggest Supporters Think The Coronavirus Is A Deep State Plot
                    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article...ep-state-qanon
                    Trump at the press conference said he agreed with claims that Rush Limbaugh (upon whom he bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom at the State of the Union speech) made during his radio show this week, that the deep state had created the coronavirus as a political weapon to “to bring down Trump.”

                    When a reporter asked Wednesday night if he was minimizing the deadly potential of the outbreak, Trump laughed and joked that it was no different than the flu. "You don't have to necessarily grab any handrail if you don't have to,” he said.
                    On Monday, while in India on his first state visit, Trump tweeted, “the Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries.” Two days later, the president doubled down, railing against the media for spreading hysteria.

                    “Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC [sic] (Comcast) & @CNN are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus [sic] look as bad as possible, including panicking markets, if possible,” he wrote.

                    Echoing the message, hyperpartisan news sites, conspiracy theorists, and scammers have sown panic. In the last two weeks, a narrative has solidified among his base: The virus is a deep state plot, possibly created by the Chinese government, to hurt Trump’s reelection chances.

                    Infowars ran a video claiming the Department of Homeland Security was buying up emergency food provisions; the site's sidebar advertised food rations on its online store. Jordan Sather, a YouTuber aligned with the pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theory, has told followers that coronavirus is a “new fad disease,” the release of which was “planned.” Sather has also promoted the idea that QAnon followers can protect themselves from COVID-19, the illness caused by the new coronavirus, by drinking chlorine dioxide — otherwise known as bleach. Limbaugh and other pro-Trump media sites have also attacked Messonnier, the sister of Rod Rosenstein — a longtime Trump punching bag and former deputy attorney general.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kcantor View Post
                      Everything I've read with this specific corona virus, is that it at this time, there's a poor understanding of the fatality rate, compared to common flu strains. At this time, yes fatality rates appear to be higher, but health professionals acknowledge that there isn't enough information/data to appreciate the actual number of infections versus fatalities, due to testing limitations, infection mechanisms,, etc. So yes, the article is correct, like a common flu, most people could be potentially infected by this virus, but it is just unknown at this time if it is much more fatal than a common flu strain.
                      Last edited by ProperMan; 27-02-2020, 09:26 AM.

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                      • #12
                        I heard one expert state that the coronavirus was 20 times more lethal than N1H1 but another said that because of the number of people who have corona but show no symptoms, reduces the lethality to similar to other flus. Complicating the issue is that the Chinese have been very secret about their experience and have prevented foreign help in assisting and studying cases..

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                        • #13
                          Donald Trump said the nation is prepared for the coronavirus during a Wednesday press conference: "We're very, very ready for this," Trump said. "The risk to the American people remains very low."

                          Meanwhile, in the real world outside of Trump's plastic bubble,

                          New York is making its own coronavirus test after receiving botched Federal CDC testing kits.

                          That means that the largest city in the US, has no working testing facilities for coronavirus. no wonder why the count of cases in the US is so low. How can you know if you cannot perform a virus test?

                          Meanwhile; South Korea had tested 66,652 people as of Thursday afternoon.

                          "We're very, very ready for this," Trump said.
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                          • #14
                            https://www.dw.com/en/could-iran-bec...ter/a-52541702

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51654494

                            maybe this will all turn in to a contest between rouhani's god and pence's god...
                            Last edited by kcantor; 28-02-2020, 06:15 PM.
                            "If you did not want much, there was plenty." Harper Lee

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
                              "We're very, very ready for this," Trump said.
                              Well, that's it, the US is completely ******.
                              They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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