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    +18 on the year. I always thought he got an unfair wrap in Edmonton, thrown into a role he was not ready for (first pairing).

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    This brings his season total to 17 points in 30 games, good for 0.57 points per game. He’s on the same top-scoring list as the NHL’s truly elite d-men, tied with New York’s Ryan McDonagh, just behind Duncan Keith and Dustin Byfuglien and just ahead of Brent Seabrook and Morgan Rielly. That’s good company, though one of these things (Schultz) is not like the others.

    All of the other d-men at the top of the list play more than 20 minutes per game. Schultz plays just 16:58. He is third-pairing in Pittsburgh, teamed up with Ian Cole, and behind the Top 4 of Olli Maatta, Kris Letang, Brian Dumoulin and Trevor Daley. That’s s luxury Schultz never had in Edmonton, playing sheltered minutes on a team with a real No. 1 d-man, and other solid defenders.

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    He escaped the lynch mob in Edmonton

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    He escaped the lynch mob in Edmonton
    For sure.

    Oilers fans seem to love to have someone to hate, going back the the WHA days. Someone to pin all the blame on.

    I can't remember the name of the defenceman who was heckled out of town in the early days, but it was disgusting. I recall the guy's girlfriend crying in the crowd as Oilers fans were chanting "'name here', telephone" every time he stepped on the ice. They see things in players that just aren't there, and then dump on them for being who they are, and not who they think they are.

    The "future Norris Trophy winner" comment was an example of that. Not realistic, as many pointed out when it was said, and really unfair to expect that from a young player.

    Jason Arnott also comes to mind. They rode him out of town. He couldn't do anything right, and the unrealistic pressure got to him to the point they had to get rid of him. I can't see it making a player want to play here.
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    Pat Price maybe?

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    While I agree that Schultz got carved here a lot the other side of it is the player flat out gave up while playing here. After awhile he was just going through the motions. In fairness to him the org gave him, and some notable others complete contractual entitlement here and an endless line of excuses to have failing results.

    Put a good player on a club that REQUIRES players to play well to get toi and guess what happens.
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    Dirty Senator, Hoffman, gets suspended only 2 games for crosschecking Couture, from behind, in the head. An imminently dirty and dangerous play and hunting down an opponent from behind is not only one of the worst, but one of the most gutless plays possible in the sport. Complete with using the stick as a weapon.

    How this isn't a dozen games is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Pat Price maybe?
    No, it wasn't him. Pat Price was a "name" of sorts. This fellow was a nobody, and, as far as I know, never played anywhere afterward.

    I remember Grant Fuhr going through an especially rough patch. The joke on the street was that he tried to kill himself by stepping in front of a bus - but it went between his legs. I also recall him giving fans the finger. Now he's Hall of Fame.

    "Pet Whipping Boy Syndrome" isn't exclusive to Edmonton. It's as bad, or worse, in Montreal (Deshairnais, goaltender Andre "Red Light Racicot"), Toronto (Phil Kessel, Dion Phaneuf), and some other Canadian cities. I don't think it's as bad in the US.

    Schultz has redeemed himself somewhat in the right situation. Now I think a Pens D is out for a bit (Daley?). We'll see how his does in a bigger role.


    Lou Lamoriello has laid down the law in Toronto. Matt Martin (?) had to cut his flowing locks. It's a team thing.

    We used to joke about the "Leafs haircut" in the 70's - they had so many players with great hair, and curly locks. And then, of course, there was what hockey fans everywhere once called the "Edmonton haircut" during the glory days - the mullet. Pretty soon a lot of players from different teams were doing it, notably Jagr, but it was "Edmonton hair" first.

    Martin has no problem with it. But I think making players cut their hair a certain way is a particularly Toronto-ish way of doing things. Come to think of it, Babcock has great hair. Maybe they should pick up Eakins as an assistant, in charge of hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Dirty Senator, Hoffman, gets suspended only 2 games for crosschecking Couture, from behind, in the head. An imminently dirty and dangerous play and hunting down an opponent from behind is not only one of the worst, but one of the most gutless plays possible in the sport. Complete with using the stick as a weapon.

    How this isn't a dozen games is beyond me.
    That's how I felt. The argument in Hoffman's favour is that his stick rode up on the other defenceman's stick, but it looked to me he was high and hard anyway. It would have got Couture in the back of the neck, and it may have hurt him worse.

    Hoffman hasn't been suspended before. He's not known as a dirty player. Ottawa were fired up from a tough practice after a bad loss, where the coach was swearing at players. It was shown on video, with a lot of bleeps, and it was embarrassing. They came out p'd off. When they're on their game they're a chippy team.

    It was also Chris Neil's 1000th game, all with the Sens. After that long he is just as much a template for the style of the Ottawa Senators as is Karlsson. I think they were a little too fired up.
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    ^Thanks, the Sens are not a team I have a good pulse on. I tend to disregard them. They seem incomplete and defensively suspect to me. Agree totally on the Hoffman thing. Who cares if the stick rode up slightly. The action was still crosschecking somebody from behind and from an act of obvious intent formed retribution. Its plays like that where a player targets and hunts down another that the NHL needs to get a grip on.

    Part of the problem is the NHL reviews of this are tied by its rules in terms of prior infractions and suspension history impacting what the current suspension is. I can't see that as a blanket application. Some actions have to be viewed as serious enough to supercede that. I don't agree either that without noted priors that the play, or player is not dirty. That's an incredibly dirty play there and I don't think a history should be required of these actions in order to bring down a longer suspension.

    That aside its odd with the Sens that they never seem to bring too much weight when they play the Oilers. I don't see them as a club that plays a heavy style consistently at all. I think the Sens are as identity confused as the Oilers are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    ^Thanks, the Sens are not a team I have a good pulse on. I tend to disregard them. They seem incomplete and defensively suspect to me. Agree totally on the Hoffman thing. Who cares if the stick rode up slightly. The action was still crosschecking somebody from behind and from an act of obvious intent formed retribution. Its plays like that where a player targets and hunts down another that the NHL needs to get a grip on.

    Part of the problem is the NHL reviews of this are tied by its rules in terms of prior infractions and suspension history impacting what the current suspension is. I can't see that as a blanket application. Some actions have to be viewed as serious enough to supercede that. I don't agree either that without noted priors that the play, or player is not dirty. That's an incredibly dirty play there and I don't think a history should be required of these actions in order to bring down a longer suspension.

    That aside its odd with the Sens that they never seem to bring too much weight when they play the Oilers. I don't see them as a club that plays a heavy style consistently at all. I think the Sens are as identity confused as the Oilers are.
    Don't know if you heard Mike Milbury and Keith Jones go off on this on MSNBC panel after Hoffman played a couple games later.

    Both said it was far too lenient. Milbury called it assault, and said there should have been a bench clearing brawl. Jones said Hoffman should have got his teeth knocked out. Jones said he'd talked to a lot of players and none of them agreed with the suspension.

    The Sens don't play heavy at all, but they hit high an awful lot. Borowieki has a long history of head shots, like this one on Jared Boll. Or this one on Brian Boyle. And he was serving a two game suspension for this boarding on Toffoli, an all too common play for him. Then there's the Matt Carkner jumping Boyle a couple years ago.

    He has this lily white reputation, but Karlsson almost always hits high.

    When I say dirty team, I don't mean heavy hockey. LA play hard. Same with San Jose and Anaheim, though Perry crosses the line a lot.

    The Sens seem to regularly cheap shot the other teams top players, and there's no question in my mind that they try to take players out of the game. Hope Hoffman is ready to answer the bell next year when these teams meet again. Then again, knowing the Sens, he'll just use his stick from behind again. Sens cheap shot hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    ^Thanks, the Sens are not a team I have a good pulse on. I tend to disregard them. They seem incomplete and defensively suspect to me. Agree totally on the Hoffman thing. Who cares if the stick rode up slightly. The action was still crosschecking somebody from behind and from an act of obvious intent formed retribution. Its plays like that where a player targets and hunts down another that the NHL needs to get a grip on.

    Part of the problem is the NHL reviews of this are tied by its rules in terms of prior infractions and suspension history impacting what the current suspension is. I can't see that as a blanket application. Some actions have to be viewed as serious enough to supercede that. I don't agree either that without noted priors that the play, or player is not dirty. That's an incredibly dirty play there and I don't think a history should be required of these actions in order to bring down a longer suspension.

    That aside its odd with the Sens that they never seem to bring too much weight when they play the Oilers. I don't see them as a club that plays a heavy style consistently at all. I think the Sens are as identity confused as the Oilers are.
    Don't know if you heard Mike Milbury and Keith Jones go off on this on MSNBC panel after Hoffman played a couple games later.

    Both said it was far too lenient. Milbury called it assault, and said there should have been a bench clearing brawl. Jones said Hoffman should have got his teeth knocked out. Jones said he'd talked to a lot of players and none of them agreed with the suspension.

    The Sens don't play heavy at all, but they hit high an awful lot. Borowieki has a long history of head shots, like this one on Jared Boll. Or this one on Brian Boyle. And he was serving a two game suspension for this boarding on Toffoli, an all too common play for him. Then there's the Matt Carkner jumping Boyle a couple years ago.

    He has this lily white reputation, but Karlsson almost always hits high.

    When I say dirty team, I don't mean heavy hockey. LA play hard. Same with San Jose and Anaheim, though Perry crosses the line a lot.

    The Sens seem to regularly cheap shot the other teams top players, and there's no question in my mind that they try to take players out of the game. Hope Hoffman is ready to answer the bell next year when these teams meet again. Then again, knowing the Sens, he'll just use his stick from behind again. Sens cheap shot hockey.

    Excellent post, agree with everything here. Particularly the distinction of teams that play heavy vs those that play dirty. I add the Flyers to the latter list. I have no time or patience for clubs that chronically cheap shot. But on the positive playing heavy side I'll add the Minnesota Wild and like I said earlier in thread I don't think this is much of an aberration. The Wild are right on top of their game right now, great puck support, transition, everybody buying in and the seeing them advance the puck consistently and smartly is a thing of beauty. The game last night against the Habs was a superb contest. Two good teams facing off in one of their rare tilts against each other. With the Wild gutting out the win on the road.

    As far as Karlsson one of my critiques of Duncan Keith has been similar. Guy hits high so consistently and gets the lumber into opponents faces. Its as if the NHL says that if you are a star defender you are allowed to do that. Duncan Keith is a great D, but he's one of the dirtiest sneakiest players in hockey and gets away with as much as anybody in the league.

    btw I agree with Milbury that this was physical assault. The NHL historically is so numb to this. After the Bertuzzi incident you would think they would really keep a close guy on players hunting opponents for a crosscheck from behind. You can see in the replays exactly what Hoffman was doing there. So blatantly obvious. NHL does not seem to comprehend that these are acts of retribution on ice where the player being hunted is defenseless from the player targeting from behind. The NHL allows this predator prey hunting to go on at its own peril and significant, if not catastrophic injury will occur. The NHL will have a near death on its hands and then look at some of this again. It seems every half dozen years this league needs a major scare before they treat such episodes seriously again.
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    Saying that one hockey incident in particular is "physical assault" is asinine, in my opinion. Because there are, by the legal definition, a couple dozen assaults every hockey game. I'm not disagreeing that the play wasn't dirty and/or deserving of a suspension. It was dirty and he should have been suspended. But saying that something is assault in the context of a sport where regular physical violence is condoned and codified within the rules is meaningless and idiotic. Which makes sense, given that it came out of Milbury's mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Saying that one hockey incident in particular is "physical assault" is asinine, in my opinion. Because there are, by the legal definition, a couple dozen assaults every hockey game. I'm not disagreeing that the play wasn't dirty and/or deserving of a suspension. It was dirty and he should have been suspended. But saying that something is assault in the context of a sport where regular physical violence is condoned and codified within the rules is meaningless and idiotic. Which makes sense, given that it came out of Milbury's mouth.
    Episodic physical action is part of hockey. Hitting is part of hockey, Consensual fighting is even a segment of hockey.(and its invariably almost always consensual).

    Hunting down somebody from behind and attacking them with a physical weapon (stick) is arguably an act of assault. Because it is an act of violence and is not at all a part of hockey in play.

    Theres a lot one consents to when playing the game of hockey. It shouldn't include somebody clubbing you from behind with a hockey stick.

    Its not hard to draw such a distinction.

    Surely as well you agree that physical assaults have occurred during the game of hockey but that are not part of the sport of hockey.

    I'll refresh your memory. Attacks in hockey have been subject to Criminal Charges including Assault. So I'm not sure what you are really saying as your opinion is off.

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    The amazing Blue Jackets win yet again against Montreal (They beat them 10-0 earlier in season) and led by Sam Gagner who scored his 14th goal of the season. Gagner now has 26pts, 10 more than RNH and has played 230 less minutes. Somebody wanted to bet that Nuge would end up with more pts than Gagner this season. Nuge is at 16pts currently but with a meager 6 goals.

    Gagner seems a shoe in to challenge his season pts record this season. Barring injury that will almost certainly occur. My own take is Gagner ends with 50something pts. Really he only needs 24 pts in remaining 50 games to get there. Gagner was even HS one game this season.

    Gagner currently 11th in NHL scoring despite having played around 5 games less than most other players. What a season for Sam.

    Minnesota Wild, possibly the other best team in hockey blows out the Rangers tonight at MSG 7-4. Yet another statement game and the Wild just played Montreal last night. Train just keeps rolling. Clb and Minn are knocking it out of the ballpark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    The amazing Blue Jackets win yet again against Montreal (They beat them 10-0 earlier in season) and led by Sam Gagner who scored his 14th goal of the season. Gagner now has 26pts, 10 more than RNH and has played 230 less minutes. Somebody wanted to bet that Nuge would end up with more pts than Gagner this season. Nuge is at 16pts currently but with a meager 6 goals.

    Gagner seems a shoe in to challenge his season pts record this season. Barring injury that will almost certainly occur. My own take is Gagner ends with 50something pts. Really he only needs 24 pts in remaining 50 games to get there. Gagner was even HS one game this season.

    Gagner currently 11th in NHL scoring despite having played around 5 games less than most other players. What a season for Sam.

    Minnesota Wild, possibly the other best team in hockey blows out the Rangers tonight at MSG 7-4. Yet another statement game and the Wild just played Montreal last night. Train just keeps rolling. Clb and Minn are knocking it out of the ballpark.
    Columbus are beating Minnesota Wild 4-1 after 2. Like a machine right now. Everybody expected them to contend last year, and then gave up on them this year. No superstars but a lot of really good players, and a really good goalie too.

    Wild also have a really good team, playing well, with a great goalie, but Columbus is unreal right now.
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    But where will CBJ finish come playoff time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
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    The amazing Blue Jackets win yet again against Montreal (They beat them 10-0 earlier in season) and led by Sam Gagner who scored his 14th goal of the season. Gagner now has 26pts, 10 more than RNH and has played 230 less minutes. Somebody wanted to bet that Nuge would end up with more pts than Gagner this season. Nuge is at 16pts currently but with a meager 6 goals.

    Gagner seems a shoe in to challenge his season pts record this season. Barring injury that will almost certainly occur. My own take is Gagner ends with 50something pts. Really he only needs 24 pts in remaining 50 games to get there. Gagner was even HS one game this season.

    Gagner currently 11th in NHL scoring despite having played around 5 games less than most other players. What a season for Sam.

    Minnesota Wild, possibly the other best team in hockey blows out the Rangers tonight at MSG 7-4. Yet another statement game and the Wild just played Montreal last night. Train just keeps rolling. Clb and Minn are knocking it out of the ballpark.
    Columbus are beating Minnesota Wild 4-1 after 2. Like a machine right now. Everybody expected them to contend last year, and then gave up on them this year. No superstars but a lot of really good players, and a really good goalie too.

    Wild also have a really good team, playing well, with a great goalie, but Columbus is unreal right now.
    Columbus have improved scoring depth immensely with Saad, Gagner, Hartnel. Foligno having just a banner season and completely dominant out on the ice. Not sure what was wrong with him last season but he's returned to prominence. The Jackets just have a dozen forwards that will grind you into the ice with immense cover pressure and a D corps that will handle the rest. That team is just working and believing together and different guys putting it over the top each game. They are this good even with guys like Boone Jenner not making much of a contribution this season.

    Really feel good for Sam Gagner to be part of a special team for once in his NHL career. With him playing on a good squad one can see how it just adds to his game.
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    Its January in Winnipeg, Jets are missing the playoffs again, and then this happens...Patrik Laine just entirely laid out with a solid and legal hit at Center ice while chasing a puck and not looking for the truck that hit him. Was knocked out. Terrible to see but it is welcome to the NHL of sorts. Have initial success and you start to get targeted. Jets of course went berserk after the hit even though it was a completely legit hit and no penalty.

    Would be hard to imagine a concussion not sustained on this hit. Unfortunate for something like this to happen so quickly in a players career or anytime I guess.
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    Confirmed that Patrik Laine is out with a concussion and no timetable for his return. Jets are done like dinner now. although laine had cooled off of late anyway. jets topline now consisting of Drew Stafford, Scheiffele, Ehlers. Tough times in Winnipeg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
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    The amazing Blue Jackets win yet again against Montreal (They beat them 10-0 earlier in season) and led by Sam Gagner who scored his 14th goal of the season. Gagner now has 26pts, 10 more than RNH and has played 230 less minutes. Somebody wanted to bet that Nuge would end up with more pts than Gagner this season. Nuge is at 16pts currently but with a meager 6 goals.

    Gagner seems a shoe in to challenge his season pts record this season. Barring injury that will almost certainly occur. My own take is Gagner ends with 50something pts. Really he only needs 24 pts in remaining 50 games to get there. Gagner was even HS one game this season.

    Gagner currently 11th in NHL scoring despite having played around 5 games less than most other players. What a season for Sam.

    Minnesota Wild, possibly the other best team in hockey blows out the Rangers tonight at MSG 7-4. Yet another statement game and the Wild just played Montreal last night. Train just keeps rolling. Clb and Minn are knocking it out of the ballpark.
    Columbus are beating Minnesota Wild 4-1 after 2. Like a machine right now. Everybody expected them to contend last year, and then gave up on them this year. No superstars but a lot of really good players, and a really good goalie too.

    Wild also have a really good team, playing well, with a great goalie, but Columbus is unreal right now.
    Columbus have improved scoring depth immensely with Saad, Gagner, Hartnel. Foligno having just a banner season and completely dominant out on the ice. Not sure what was wrong with him last season but he's returned to prominence. The Jackets just have a dozen forwards that will grind you into the ice with immense cover pressure and a D corps that will handle the rest. That team is just working and believing together and different guys putting it over the top each game. They are this good even with guys like Boone Jenner not making much of a contribution this season.

    Really feel good for Sam Gagner to be part of a special team for once in his NHL career. With him playing on a good squad one can see how it just adds to his game.
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    Tampa Bay losing to Arizona 5-1. LMAO. Looks like the highly touted Lightning are dead and done. Tonight against the worst club in the league would have to be considered a must win for a team way back in the standings. Would laugh is Cooper gets fired.
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    Gagner with a fantastic assist to Hartnell for the winning goal tonight for Columbus. As a nice a goal as you see. Nice to see Sam getting the opportunity and working hard. 32pts for somebody thought to be washed up.
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    Kings outshoot Yotes 44-22 last night and lose 5-3. SOG 21-8 for the Kings in 3rd period and the Yotes score 3 goals. lmao. The Yotes, who can't normally score goals to save their lives bagging 5 goals on 18shots against one of the stingiest teams in the league but that has Budaj in net. Is Quick ever coming back?

    I don't know how the Kings can even go out there every night realizing they have to be twice as good as the opposition to even have a chance.
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    The bad news for Alberta fans is that Quick is back between the pipes in LA.

    The good news is that this should impact Calgary more than Edmonton.

    The so-so news is the Oilers still have 3 remaining games against the Kings and barring injury they will see Quick in all of them.


    Kings were almost done, I've noted some players packing it in there. I wonder if the org noted that as well. While this addition comes at a time Kings desperately needed this, they could have used Quick over a week ago as they've dropped some games that they should be able to win.

    Anyway **** got real in the Division. With Quick in net I expect the Kings will find that to rally around and now can finally take some scoring chances to try to build up their GF. As it has been the whole club is petrified to get out of position as their own red light is flashing when they do. Ducks will be a solid test today.
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    And the Kings beat the Ducks 4-1.
    They're going to park their car over there. You're going to park your car over here. Get it?

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    ^Was a great game. Total war. Ducks were up 1-0 and kings gradually took over the game as the Ducks could never get a second puck by Quick who was pretty good. Kings scored 4 in 3rd period to take the W. Fantastic play by Carter on the winning goal.
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    To LA: Ben Bishop and 5th-rd pick in 2017
    To Tampa: Budaj, Erik Cernak, a 7th-rd pick in 2017 and a conditional 2017 pick. Tampa Bay retains 20 percent of Bishop salary/cap hit
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    Another trade, details from Bobby Mac:
    https://twitter.com/TSNBobMcKenzie

    ARI sends Martin Hanzal, Ryan White and 2017 4th rder to MIN.
    MIN sends 2017 1st rder, 2018 2nd rder, 2019 conditional 4th rder (conditions to follow) and minor leaguer Grayson Downing to ARI.
    Conditional pick: If MIN wins one playoff round this year, it becomes 3rd round pick; if MIN wins two rounds, it becomes 2nd round pick.
    Also, ARI retains 50 per cent of Hanzal's salary.
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    Seems so odd For the Kings to suffer all season with Budaj (he's been worse than stats suggest) and then obtain help the moment Quick is back and looking great btw. Realize its a trade deadline deal and Kings gave up next to nothing but kind of an odd deal. Maybe the prognosis on Quick is they can't play him all games. Typically he could go a good 20 games in a row.

    In anycase a different Kings team which now has the confidence of solid goaltending. Being that all season long the Kings couldn't give up any odd man breaks without the puck being in their own net they've been tentative offensively. With Quick in net it allows them the opportunity to take chances and pressure more offensively. Budaj is very suspect moving across the net and mostly hopeless on on oddman rushes.
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    Minny just getting richer with the Hanzal acquisition. Strong player, can score, cycles puck well and can work really well in topsix configurations and is a beast and hard to play against. A better asset than Doan at present. Minny walks away the Yotes best player for some picks. Minny also gets Ryan White who can bruise people on the boards.

    Minny going hard here for a cup and have a legit lineup to go deep. Best team ever based in Minnesota right now.

    This deal kind of confirms that players like RNH and Eberle are worth not a lot of return. Nuge for Hanzal would have sent message the Oilers intend to compete in playoffs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    Maybe the prognosis on Quick is they can't play him all games.


    Groins are often re-injured. Bishop is an insurance policy for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
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    Maybe the prognosis on Quick is they can't play him all games.


    Groins are often re-injured. Bishop is an insurance policy for that.
    Yep, that's what I wondered later. Groin pulls are pretty bad that way. That said Quick was out for so long they wanted to appreciably lessen the chance of that recurring and he exhibited really good mobility and no overt signs of discomfort. This would perhaps remain a potential issue for the rest of Quicks career though given his occupation and how much groin stretching is involved.
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    Sadly, Bishop has a history of being injured (or seemingly injured in what appears to be minor contact) in crease activity. Bit of a china doll in there. Good luck LA, you're going to need it.
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    Trade deadline is 2 days away and quite a bit of activity today.
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    I hope we get Iginla, I know his brother in law really well.
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    And just in time for trade deadline day, TSN are reacquiring Jay Onrait and Dan O'Toole, who were cut from their gig in the States.
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    So the Kings get Iginla, as Iginla really wanted to back with Daryl Sutter and has as always wanted to be with the Kings.

    I like the Kings team. After the Oilers they are my next favorite team. I like the physical nature in which they play and glad the Oilers have moved in that direction with player selections.

    That said I have somewhat mixed feelings about Iginla selecting the Kings. Namely that he is HORRIBLE at selecting clubs. The moment Iginla picks a club it seems to tank. He's had a horrendous record of wrong picks and the latest being Colorado who are awful even compared to the last decade of Oilers standards. I hope it works out for him, I hope it will, except if the Kings play the Oilers in a later round. We can all dream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    Sadly, Bishop has a history of being injured (or seemingly injured in what appears to be minor contact) in crease activity. Bit of a china doll in there. Good luck LA, you're going to need it.
    I've not been a fan of Bishops antics either. He goes down like he's been shot when he has any apparent injury. One game he laid on the ice for minutes, went to the dressingroom after which he was fine. Wasn't any headshot either. He just hurt himself. He apparently has a very low pain threshold which is odd as per career and position choice.
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    Winnipeg Jets. What a waste of a season and players. I recently won a bet that the Jets would miss the playoffs this year. The person betting on the Jets was convinced that Laine, and the Jets topline would put them over the top and that they would not only make the playoffs but be a strong club. I doubted that and got odds on the bet. Really I would have bet as much as the person wanted. The reason I was so sure the Jets would miss is how much they have forsaken defence. They simply don't care about GA. That club sees nothing at all wrong with a 5-4 scoreline. The reality is that teams that give up as many goals as the Jets NEVER make the playoffs in the present day NHL. The Jets are allowing well over 3 goals/game and with Jets fans wondering why they are losing and "bad luck" and "NHL out to get us" and "officiating" and so on. The reality is give up this many goals and scoring chances on a consistent basis and the team has nobody but itself to blame.

    What the Jets, and fans are facing is the irony that although they have the talented Laine who scores for fun the club was much better as recently as two seasons ago when they were among topten in league in GA. Last year that disintegrated and the Jets fell out of contention. Its like the team commitment to solid play disappeared. This year its been nonexistent. The jets are presently a club that just thinks it can outscore the opposition and they are a bad club. They lead the NHL in GA. I'm a hockey purist, call me crazy but I'd rather watch the Jets club of a couple seasons ago then the present one that doesn't even adhere to system play.

    There should be a coach firing in Winnipeg. This club has gone in the opposite direction that it should go. its only going to get worse if the commitment to detail is not repaired.
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    I'd agree that Maurice is unlikely to last much longer in Winnipeg. I think he has only next season left on his contract. Maybe they give him the first 20 games next year to get his crap together, but I agree that the Jets as a team are undisciplined and lacking in team defense. With the guys they have on the blueline, they should be one of the stingiest teams in the league, were it not for their horrible goaltending most of this year. But even if they had the Dominator in his prime, they'd still be letting in a lot more goals than they should be.

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    Its interesting that Winnipeg has moved in the direction that Edmonton had been in. More talented offensive players, but less structure. One of the things that's been refreshing with the Oilers this year is improved structure and commitment (to some extent) to detail. You can't outscore all your mistakes in hockey today. That boat has sailed.

    The problem for coaches is that sometimes the guys that can score 30 or 40 goals need to see a certain amount of team failure before they are entirely amenable to different ideas. The fans in Winnipeg appear to be enjoying the gunslinging potential of their topline, but the team was considerably better on ice two seasons ago. I'd be torn as A jets fan right now. Scoring goals, but not playing the right way.
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    Ha, there is a theory going round that the reason the Lames have gone on a ridiculous winning streak, is because they swapped Wideman for Stone in the lineup. The theory being, everyone, including the referees, hated Wideman so much since he slammed a linesman, they were getting constant bad calls, so he was the reason they were so weak.

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    Gagner just on fire for Columbus. 7pts and counting in last 5 games including 3 goals. This is hot. Now has 43pts in 66GP. Could make a run at the elusive 50pts. not bad for 3rd line, 2nd PP, and bit minutes. He's just rocking it out of the ballpark for the Jackets.Sam Gagner, get this is in topten in pts/60mins(all situations) in the league.


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    What a pickup for Columbus.

    Justin Schultz also on that list, Go Oilers, lol
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    Gagner with a fantastic snipe for yet another goal against the Flyers last night and a goal celly that suggests more than a little in your face to Flyers fans, team and faithfull for deep-sixing him on the bench so much last season and then getting rid of him. (Flyers had even AHL'ed the veteran player) you could audibly here the murmurings from the Flyers fans on the brilliant snipe. Sammy got all of it. The kind of goal where opponent fans are going wow, wish we had that. yeah, it was that kind of moment. Sams had a lot of them this season with at least a dozen brilliant goals and another dozen brilliant assists. Talented player bringing it.

    Man, thats gotta feel good for Gagner. Plus that he has more pts this season than almost everybody in the Flyers lineup. Flyers are a perennial ***** org. Deserve what they get. They only like a certain kind of player. If you don't match that you're on the outs.

    Kudos to Columbus to have enough sense to have faith in a talented player and utilize him effectively.

    Something to consider is that Sammy has 44pts on only 13mins/night. He's putting up gaudy numbers in bottomsix and PP use. Good EV boxcars as well. Plus he'll be fresh for playoffs. He has all kinds of jump in his game. Fans love him in Columbus.
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    How much of a salary cut did Columbus give Gagner? They took very little risk. It wasn't Philly or Arizona or Edmonton that gave up on Sam. Sam gave up on himself, and only was him that decided to turn it around last summer. Columbus was his last shot.

    Sam is making 650,000 this season on a 1 year trial contract, which is a few shades lighter than the 14.4 M over three he earned in his previous contract.

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    ^Not at all the case. Sam got 41 pts in Arizona and actually led that club in scoring. He was a good team guy there too and worked particularly well with Hanzal. Made a lot of good plays for the Yotes.

    next Philly, who acted like they didn't even want him, they give him bit minutes, little as 7mins /night, even send him to the AHL. Gagner got a concussion in a game for the Flyers and was effected by that in midseason. Even given that Sam ended the season well in Philly and had a good looking playoffs.

    Thing with Gagner is all but 2 of his seasons have been 40 point or more seasons (well 38pts/48 GP in lockout year but..)

    Not sure how you think Sam gave up. He just needed a chance, like anybody does. This has not a bad player, but as a smaller player who has a lot of talent theres good ways to involve him and obtain positive results. Columbus is doing that.
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    No NHL at the Winter Olympics next year


    https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/848985931789082625


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    Unfortunate that the billionaires that own the NHL can't play nice with the billionaires who control the IOC. At the end of the day, it's all about money. Not that that is a surprise to anyone. It sucks that the fans and indeed the players (who as far as I know don't get paid, other than perhaps whatever bonuses they get from the COC if they medal), get caught in between.

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    Good. It'll be nice to have an NHL season uncompromised by side-shows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Unfortunate that the billionaires that own the NHL can't play nice with the billionaires who control the IOC. At the end of the day, it's all about money. Not that that is a surprise to anyone. It sucks that the fans and indeed the players (who as far as I know don't get paid, other than perhaps whatever bonuses they get from the COC if they medal), get caught in between.
    Bolded your sentence, because it's the key point in all of this. We fans don't really matter in this clash of egos and money.

    There's a saying in some part of Africa - "When elephants fight, it's the grass that suffers".

    Personally, I don't really mind if they don't use the NHL players. They get enough attention. And, as for the people who run the Olympics, is there a sleazier bunch of bagmen and extortionists out there? Outside of Quebec politics, I mean
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    No, there really isn't. I'm sure some people will reflexively fault the NHL and/or Bettman, but the IOC is an absolutely disgusting organization in reputation and deed.

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    Sutter and Lombardi get the axe in LA essentially because Johnathon Quick got injured in game one of the season and missed 60 games costing the team realistically any chance of doing much this year. the players knew it too. Bad circumstance, any team would have trouble with that.

    That said I think either was ready to pack it in anyway. Theres a shelflife for sutter brand coaching. Or Mike Keenan coaching or anything that requires every drop out of the players. this year, with Peter Budaj in net they just weren't buying that it was their fault. Players didn't go the extra mile. But now the kings are in a whole lot of hell without a coach or GM and this could now really be the End for the Kings. Sutter was still well liked in the room from my take. The team still playing very hard for him in meaningless games as the season wore down. Really the whole season was meaningless. In a capped league you go nowhere with the most important player in hockey, the goalie, out most of the season. Most clubs have 1 #1 calibre goalie and are ****** without it.

    Don't understand the coach fire in Vancouver either. God as coach wouldn't get that team in the playoffs and they have had a lot of injuries. I thought that team played hard but with really not much in the lineup and not strong at any position.
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    Sutter and Lombardi were on borrowed time for awhile. Even if LA had made the playoffs this year, there was a high likelihood of at least the coach going, if not the GM. LA peaked and has already begun to decline because Lombardi was too eager to hand out massive contracts to aging veterans. They've got 3-4 horrible contracts there that they will struggle to get out from under. Even though I think Kopitar is a heck of a center, the fact is that his cap hit is 10m a year and he's already 30. He'll be 35 or 36 when the contract finally expires. Brown's contract was awful the day it was signed. Gaborik's was incredibly ill-advised given his age and injury history. Quick's is too much money for too long, I think it's almost always a mistake to give a goalie more then 4 years. Unless they can ditch the Gaborik and Brown contracts with minimal future impact in terms of buyout penalties or draft picks, the organization is screwed for the next 5 or so years. Lombardi had to go. It's just unfortunate to see guys like Kopitar, Carter and Doughty now stuck on a team that's unlikely to be competitive again until their careers are nearly over. Take a look through their draft history and prospect pool. They have absolutely nothing coming up through their farm system.
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    The Gaborik contract is particularly strange and he's been a ghost in and out of the lineup and of no discernible use in or out. So much so that it impacted Kopitars production. One can see that as soon as the Kings got some offensive help in Iginla that Kopitars production went up whether he was playing with Iginla and also with the remnants of the 70's line on occasion. Iginla addition meant the Kings had two decent lines instead of one. Would be interesting if they could keep Iggy. He's been quite good as a King.

    As far as Brown, yeah, that's a hard one. A lot of pay for a role player but then again he had good leadership qualities, good hitter, and used to bring the offense. I do see though that he continues to be a hard worker, good model, still appropriate as a letter, and I could see the Las Vegas Knights picking up this contract. Just a feeling as well watching Brown, who really played very well down the stretch, that this was going to be his last games as a King and that he was auditioning.

    It is unfortunate for Carter, Doughty, Kopitar but Kings are typically very good at development and some of the developing players look good. I don't know that a lot of people thought Toffoli or Pearson would turn out this good either. Kings have some forwards and D that are ripening nicely. If only a couple of those pan out well they got some more depth. So to that end I disagree with you as the Kings have been working half a dozen or more players into the lineup this season and last. The farm may be empty, but these are some good upcoming players.

    Barring unforeseen injuries Kings should be back in playoffs next season. I know they've been out 2 out of 3 years but 2 seasons ago they had 95pts and a 3--13 OT record that season. They were a very good regulation time team that got edged out by 2pts and with a pt total that should have been good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    So to that end I disagree with you as the Kings have been working half a dozen or more players into the lineup this season and last. The farm may be empty, but these are some good upcoming players.


    I don't pretend to know every detail of every LA prospect, and it's entirely possible they've signed or traded for others, but if you look at their recent draft history it is basically bereft of any likely prospects that are not already playing for the big club:
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006664.html

    That's what happens when you draft in the first round once out of four years.

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    I watch the Kings a lot.

    Dowd, Shore, Andreoff, Forbert, Mcnabb, Ladue, Gravel have all increasingly seen action.

    Theres a handful of those players that are starting to develop into something. Dowd and Shore have decent hands and play the prototypical Kings forchecking game. At times they've been the most effective. Defensively McNabb and Forbert are already there. None of these are spring chickens but are examples of the players Kings have been playing up in the lineup this season and last.

    Kings as I mention are pretty good at developing players and almost invariably have players looking better when they join in the lineup. For instance even Vinny Lecavalier had a resurgence. If they get a deal done with Iggy, and he looks like he's still got game, they will be fine. If not the Kings are pretty good at turning even routine pickups into decent players. They're short about 1-2 offensive players if Iggy is done.
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    Wow, the commentator's comments on the Lames are spot on lol.



    Edit: Looks like they deleted the video, here is the transcript.

    Garrett: And then Brodie... Brodie's is just... that's just complete lack of.... you've got no composure when you're doing that. He's down already. Maybe if it's 5-1 or something.
    Ball: I agree.
    Unknown: You don't rip Dougie Hamilton, I will. Stupidest ####ing penalty you can take-
    Garrett: Well, the TJ Brodie one too. But you're right, Dougie Hamilton, I -
    Unknown: Does he have a ####ing brain? He doesn't. He's stupid.
    Garrett: I don't know him that well.
    Unknown: Well he's not an intelligent guy.
    Garrett: He- You're Mr. Flames, so you probably know him better than I do.
    Ball: That's probably their best chance to win here, in this series.
    Garrett: Yeah.
    Unknown: Yeah, they're done. They can't win 4 of 5.

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    Remember the guy drafted after McDavid? Apparently he's the reason for Buffalo cleaning house:
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    The Buffalo Sabres have cleaned house, firing head coach Dan Bylsma and general manager Tim Murray.Sabres owner Terry Pegula made the announcement in a statement released Thursday morning, saying the decision was reached after "reviewing the past season and looking at the future of our organization."
    No replacements were named. Pegula said the Sabers "have begun the process to fill these positions immediately."
    The moves come a day after a report that said Buffalo star Jack Eichel would not sign a contract extension this off-season if Bylsma remained the team's coach.
    A representative for Eichel, who has one year left on his entry-level deal, called the report "1,000 per cent false."
    The Sabres haven't qualified for the playoffs since 2011, and haven't won a post-season series since reaching the Eastern Conference final in 2007. They've finished last or next-to-last in their division in each of the last five seasons.
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    Eichel coming off as a real asshat in all of this. Man, what a bullet dodged, we not only got McDavid, we didn't get Eichel. We'd still be in he dark ages here and continual firings.
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    Eichel has struck me ever since the draft as being pretty whiny. His demeanor when asked about McDavid etc. was always so sour. I mean I get it, he's sick of hearing about how he's #2 that year and so on, but like it or not, that's part of the job. Deal with it, you big baby. That being said, Tim Murray had been running that team in to the ground for years, whether intentionally or not. It was time for him to go.

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    I think it's funny that Jack Eichel is already a coach killer in his second season.

    Also hard to believe that Chicago got swept. Nobody called that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    I think it's funny that Jack Eichel is already a coach killer in his second season.

    Also hard to believe that Chicago got swept. Nobody called that one!
    Textbook answer is that its another team that has seen too much hockey. Toews particularly became very ill last season for several months. Had recurring bronchitis, lung infection that he had trouble shaking. Really impacted his play and I don't know he's ever been the same since. After 3 cups I think that team is sated. The Oilers didn't have any trouble with the Sharks this season. The Oilers have more trouble with clubs that can shut it down then clubs that open it up. In the end the Preds are able to play airtight hockey better than the Hawks. They also caught Rinne on one of his unique runs. He can be very good, or play like complete ****. This was good Rinne in the series.
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    Craig Anderson's wife wrote a blog post about him - http://www.stickbynik.com/my-rock/

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    New Jersey Devils win the NHL draft lottery.
    http://www.tsn.ca/devils-win-lottery...draft-1.738716

    Taylor Hall wins the internet:
    https://twitter.com/hallsy09/status/858479406637084672

    Taylor Hall @hallsy09
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    New Jersey Devils win the NHL draft lottery.
    http://www.tsn.ca/devils-win-lottery...draft-1.738716

    Taylor Hall wins the internet:
    https://twitter.com/hallsy09/status/858479406637084672

    Taylor Hall @hallsy09
    Officially adding "NHL lottery ball specialist" to my hockey resume.
    This is actually pretty funny. Hall has a good sense of humor. Nice as well for the Devils, and Hall, who could use some help. Between Hall, Henrique, and whoever is left maybe then can fashion a team in a few seasons.
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    So Nolan Patrick will be able to breath easier. lol. ( From 5280 ft altitude of Denver to sea level Newark )

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    Eichel coming off as a real asshat in all of this. Man, what a bullet dodged, we not only got McDavid, we didn't get Eichel. We'd still be in he dark ages here and continual firings.
    For what it's worth, 'Eichel' is a German word that means "tip of the human penis".

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    IP, that made me howl!

    Eichel:

    acorn

    Wiktionary:

    Eichel → acorn
    , glans
    , clitoral glans
    , glans penis
    , dickhead
    Eichel → dickhead
    , glans penis
    , glans
    , acorn

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    IP, that made me howl!
    *bows*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idealistic Pragmatist View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement View Post
    Eichel coming off as a real asshat in all of this. Man, what a bullet dodged, we not only got McDavid, we didn't get Eichel. We'd still be in he dark ages here and continual firings.
    For what it's worth, 'Eichel' is a German word that means "tip of the human penis".

    (Seriously. I'm not kidding.)
    Removing any mystery why I think he's a dick. ha, thanks for that.
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    I'm sure he prefers the acorn definition. He has some things to learn, but he's just a young kid and has time. He could try doing for Buffalo what CMD has done for Edmonton. Hard work and a positive attitude can work wonders.

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    But he's had a ****** attitude the whole time, hasn't he? Ever since before the draft he was always "I'm the BEST, I'll be known as THE BEST!" and he's not. It's not even that he's an American, so people are picking on him. Auston Matthews seems like a decent guy, and isn't a stuck up prick like Acorn is. I wish Matthews all the best in his career.
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    Maybe he'll be traded over the summer. PC traded Tyler Seguin out of Boston. I could hardly believe it at first. He was taken second overall and a star. What was the problem with him ? I never really heard. Yes, Mathews is the real deal. Nice kid and quite a ball player too I guess. Seems to have it together, like CMD.

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    The Jets' arena is no longer the MTS Centre, so it is now Bell MTS Place

    http://www.tsn.ca/home-of-jets-renam...place-1.765276
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    Quote Originally Posted by jagators63 View Post
    The Jets' arena is no longer the MTS Centre, so it is now Bell MTS Place

    http://www.tsn.ca/home-of-jets-renam...place-1.765276
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    Someone does, hence why they posted it.

    Why flame bait? If you don't care, don't reply.
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    What, the jets didn't name it Rogers MTS arena?
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    What, the jets didn't name it Rogers MTS arena?
    why ?? here the answer http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bell...tion-1.3983774
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    Its on my facebook so its probably crap. The supposed offer is two first round picks, Bennett and Kylington.

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    Another trade deadline day because of the expansion draft.
    Mike Smith traded to Calgary for defenseman Brandon Hickey, goaltender Chad Johnson and a conditional third-round draft choice.
    Montreal Canadiens traded defenceman Nathan Beaulieu to the Buffalo Sabres on Saturday in exchange for a third-round pick in the 2017 NHL Entry Draft
    Couple of days ago, Jonathan Drouin from Tampa to Montreal in exchange for defenceman Mikhail Sergachev.
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    Its going to be interesting to see the names PC has for the expansion draft. Jordan Eberle apparently is on that list. But in the expansion draft is Vegas obligated to take a player from every team in the league, or can they skip a team because there is nothing a team has VGK needs or wants?
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    A lot of people on various hockey forums are pointing to the successive wins by Pittsburgh as proof you don't need a great defence to win the Cup if you have a great offence.

    Of course Pittsburgh had Letang last year, one of the best in the game, but they won this season with a decimated group that didn't include him.

    I don't think it shows defence is any less important. I think it shows depth, and a great farm system, can be really important.
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    Draft coming up right away.

    Arizona has sure been busy the last 24 hours. First, Doan not coming back. Next they fire their coach. Then acquire Derek Stepan and Antti Raanta.

    They also acquired Niklas Hjalmarsson from the Hawks. All just prior to the draft.
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    Looks like maybe LA stole Vilardi at 11. Projected #3 by Hockey News and lots of experts and di nothing that would diminish his value. Good pick.
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    Flames may have stole one with Juuso Valimaki at 16. Still some good players on the board.

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    Liljegren will drop to Oil.

    Nope. To leafs. They got a good one.
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    Well I gotta say. LA won the draft. Got a projected top 3 at #11.

    Flames sure caught a break in the expansion draft. Vegas took Engelland, who was 35, and they were going to lose him to free agency anyway. He lives in Vegas. Wasn't going to sign in Calgary.

    Vegas could have waited until July 1st to announce they signed him, picked another Flame, and got two roster players.

    So Flames shed Engelland's nearly $3M contract, Wideman's $5.25M cap hit, and also get (injured) Smid's $3.5M hit off the books from last season. That's a lot of room they cleared up, and their star players are signed for term.
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    Did anyone see the contract the Caps gave to TJ Oshie?

    The guy really is a terrific player, and fit in perfect with the team. But 8 years is a looooong time, at $5.75M. I dunno.
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    No qualifying offer for Yakupov from STL so he's now a UFA. I think he's either going back to Russia, or sign up wherever Galchenyuk ends up playing (assuming the Habs trade him).
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    9 points in 40 games. That's f-all for a guy who only brings offense. But just remember, according to Replacement his career flopping is 100% on the Oilers, and Ken Hitchcock was going to turn him in to an amazing 200 foot player (by hardly ever playing him much more than 10 minutes a night). Turns out the real story is much simpler: the guy is a total and complete head case who didn't fit in to any team he played with and who had poor practice habits (he only liked to work on things he was already good at). He'll go down in history along with Daigle and Stefan as one of the biggest draft busts of all time. That's on him and no one else at the end of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Well I gotta say. LA won the draft. Got a projected top 3 at #11.
    But why did he fall to 11? We won't know who won for sometime, as the Yakupov example shows us. We "won" that draft on the lottery, although in fairness, it was one of the worst drafts ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter
    although in fairness, it was one of the worst drafts ever.


    At the top end, maybe. But it was actually a decent draft, in hindsight:
    http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2012e.html

    Over half that first round has played over 200 NHL games, which is pretty good considering we've only just hit the 5 year minimum evaluation time. There's 4-5 very good D in the top 10 alone. Just shows how scouting 17-18 year old kids can be incredibly difficult and predicting outcomes near impossible. Sometimes things go sideways.

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    ^fair enough, it just didn't have many top forwards, certainly no elite type players, which are normally around the top 3 or 4. There is no Hall, or Matthews, or CMD, etc. 8th on all time worst list here (the ones worse are very old), but it does caveat that lots of D for that year, so won't know for sure for a while yet:

    http://www.thesportster.com/hockey/t...-classes-ever/

    There is a lot of talk 2017 will turn out to be an awful draft year as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    9 points in 40 games. That's f-all for a guy who only brings offense. But just remember, according to Replacement his career flopping is 100% on the Oilers, and Ken Hitchcock was going to turn him in to an amazing 200 foot player (by hardly ever playing him much more than 10 minutes a night). Turns out the real story is much simpler: the guy is a total and complete head case who didn't fit in to any team he played with and who had poor practice habits (he only liked to work on things he was already good at). He'll go down in history along with Daigle and Stefan as one of the biggest draft busts of all time. That's on him and no one else at the end of the day.
    Simplistic drivel.

    The player that had a good 48game played regular season and that was a #1 pick in the word must not exist..

    if you honestly, honestly think the Blues gave Yak much of a chance playing him in bottomsix assignments all the time with limited toi you're entitled to that. The Blue had a change of heart, I don't know what went on behind closed doors, neither do you.

    its all on him? Whats on him particularly? He's a topsix player getting buried in the lineup. The guy even had success (limited sample) with McDavid but the Oilers had to yank that and put Eberle in. You know, Eberle that essentially disappeared as a sniper while playing topsix nonstop. It was so important to the org to get Eberles game kickstarted....you know, all that value there and everything (sarcasm)
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    The guy even had success (limited sample) with McDavid but the Oilers had to yank that and put Eberle in.
    McDavid told the oilers, take this #$^^)I# off my line, we did, and McDavid's stats went back through the roof. Why you would want to stick a ball and chain on the worlds best player, a guy who no NHL team wants, is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
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    The guy even had success (limited sample) with McDavid but the Oilers had to yank that and put Eberle in.
    McDavid told the oilers, take this #$^^)I# off my line, we did, and McDavid's stats went back through the roof. Why you would want to stick a ball and chain on the worlds best player, a guy who no NHL team wants, is beyond me.
    The production with Yak on the McDavid line was the same as Eberle on the McDavid line. Yak had around 2G 9A in a dozen games with McDAvid.


    Did McDavid tell the Oilers to get Eberle off his line. EBerle was useless most of this season. At least Yak can play physical and with an edge and isn't shy going into areas.

    I harken years ago to Joe Murphy, a top pick that the clueless Detroit Red Wings floundered into "the biggest bust since well anybody" That really was the feeling in Detroit, and around the league at the time. Of course Sather knew better, and we got our last SC because of it and Joe Murphy ended up being a star player here like he was supposed to be, and going to be, in the right environment, and used properly. But you gotta believe in a player first. it makes so much difference.

    One of the best Oilers ever, Jarri Kurri, said he was so bad early in his career that he was certain Sather would send him back to Europe. Kurri is on record saying he was amazed he kept getting chances and regular toi. That SAther just kept plugging him in. Kurri said he would have failed to make an impact in the NHL without this support. if a coach believes in you its a huge difference.
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    ^You are only looking at scoring (neither Eberle or Yak had great chemistry with CMD, Hall didn't either, not everyone will), not what was happening at the other end of the ice. While Eberle was no defensive wonderkid, he put up points with any player, Yak by contrast was a defensive disaster who wasn't putting up points. But yeah, you carry on comparing him to Kurri, its good for a laugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    The player that had a good 48game played regular season and that was a #1 pick in the word must not exist..


    You're right, it was indeed a mirage. Half his points that season were on the power play. And he shot 21% over the course of the season. And if memory serves, damn near half his goals came in a streak at the end of the season as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    if you honestly, honestly think the Blues gave Yak much of a chance playing him in bottomsix assignments all the time with limited toi you're entitled to that. The Blue had a change of heart, I don't know what went on behind closed doors, neither do you.


    They buried him because he's incapable of playing a regular shift 5 on 5 without hurting his team, and they realized it soon after they acquired the player. Not much more to it than that, and no need to worry about what was going on behind closed doors when what was happening on the ice is there for all to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    its all on him? Whats on him particularly?


    Playing hockey well and putting the puck in the net. Two things that he has largely failed to do with any consistency for going on 5 years and 2 organizations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Replacement
    You know, Eberle that essentially disappeared as a sniper while playing topsix nonstop. It was so important to the org to get Eberles game kickstarted....you know, all that value there and everything (sarcasm)


    And it's absolutely bizarre that you contrast him with Eberle, who despite his flaws has done nothing but score since he entered the league, averaging 62 points/82 games (with about a quarter of that being PP production). Regardless of who he plays with. Eberle's per game point production is over double what Yakupov's has been. He's earned the right to play on scoring lines since his first game in the league by putting the puck in the net. Yakupov has shown he's really good at whiffing on one timers and turning the puck over. Hence why he could well end up without a 1-way contract in the league this year. I would imagine someone will take a flyer on him eventually, but it'll be for just barely more than league minimum, 1 year, and might even be 2-way so they can bury him when he inevitably falls on his face.

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    Eberle WAS a good player, and prolific scorer, which I mentioned. Eberle had not been much the last couple of seasons and his scoring inconsistency is more alarming considering ALL his minutes are topsix. Yak after rookie season rarely saw topsix.

    tbh, right now I'd take Yak over Eberle contract. Eberle is a 6M BUCK bag of no value contractual value. The Oilers end up taking a player who was close to waivers and who was available unprotected in the recent expansion draft. No slight on Strome, I'll give him every opportunity to impress, but essentially, and we're talking now, Eberle has limited value.

    As far as whiffing on one timers. Seriously? Did you even watch Eberle this season? He was setup constantly. He needed a late surge of several goals late in season just to hit 20. In an 82GP season. Yak hit 17 goals in 48GP but that's **** to you...

    Putting the puck in the net? No top picked player performs well in NHL bottomsix. It doesn't happen. Limited sample, but its strange development. Unlike Drai, Yak was rushed into the Oilers lineup pronto because the Oilers were so poorly run. Ideally he should have been getting some development time in the AHL. Didn't help either that he only got 48 games in rookie season and then the nightmare of Dallas Eakins. Yak didn't have enough experience in the league to survive that disastrous coach.
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    Of course you would take Yak's contract over Eberle's because Yak doesn't have one. He is a cap space gem.

    You can blame the Oilers for rushing him but he was a #1 pick. He had his greatest success in his first year. Since that first year Eberle has outscored Yak 97 goals to 36.

    Jordan Eberle is the second highest scoring player in his draft year. Yak is fifth in his. Yak drafted 1st overall and Eberle 22nd.

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