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    Trannies don't plant their own flower beds ?

    SACRE BLEU !
    Most transgender people find that word to be a pejorative, you probably shouldn't use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seandroid View Post

    Most transgender people find that word to be a pejorative, you probably shouldn't use it.
    Political Correctness is not on Top_Dawg's radar.

    Though he may identify as gender fluid, seeing as he is a Dawg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seandroid View Post

    Most transgender people find that word to be a pejorative, you probably shouldn't use it.
    Political Correctness is not on Top_Dawg's radar.

    Though he may identify as gender fluid, seeing as he is a Dawg.
    People who say they "hate political correctness" are really people who just think political corectness should have stopped where it was when they were young. These people simultaneously claim political correctness is BS but won't say the N word because that word is "actually offensive." They just feel like their line in the sand is the correct one without realizing how far that line had moved before they were born.

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    Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners

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    This is not the place to have this discussion, but dealing in absolutes like that is ridiculous. You really think there are no words that are offensive? You really think it's okay to make "gay" an insult or "re*ard" a pejorative? To reduce someone's entire being into something into something so awful that it's insulting to call someone else that? If that's the case then I guess I'm a fascist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrOilers View Post
    Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners

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    I suppose those who enjoy casually calling other people names probably neither care or comprehend how offensive it is to others, yet ironically they seem to be the first to be offended when others take offense to them or their behavior.

    I think calling it political correctness may be just a way for them to rationalize poor manners or a lack of care or concern for others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moodib View Post
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    At over $292,000 per unit these buildings sure seem expensive.
    Supportive living probably means there are common areas and offices, which add to the cost.

    Judging by the responses here though, not everyone cares about the homeless.
    I would imagine that they would include common areas. You could build a 2,000 square foot house with that kind of money (at cost).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Trannies don't plant their own flower beds ?

    SACRE BLEU !
    Top_Dawg ... now, now, I think that somebody needs to strap something on and slap you around just a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Downtown View Post
    Reserve your judgement towards SW Edmonton and other neighborhoods not contributing to solving this issue - Boyle/McCauley is at over 60% of the housing stock being non-market - I live there and my next door neighbor is supportive living for abused women and transgender people - I happen to shovel their sidewalks and plant their flower beds, thank you very much. Then kitty corner to me are 2 large facilities for elderly first nations. Homelessness is an Edmonton problem, not an inner-city problem. Putting more of the same and expecting "revitalization" to catch on is a pipe dream and an abuse of taxpayer dollars.
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    I'd be willing to bet a Large Double Double that your attackers have a vested interest in silencing you because they don't want that social housing coming to...

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    189323110-017
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    9521 - 103A AVENUE NW
    Plan 1524883 Blk 9 Lot 18A

    To construct the FOOTING and FOUNDATION only for a new 5 Storey, 97 sleeping unit, Group Home building

    CLARK BUILDERS, DARCY

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    Oh yay. A group home for 97 people? I wouldn love to know how this place is going to operate. Could be great. Could be absolutely awful. .
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    This dumping ground attitude behind the building of community housing projects in Boyle Street -- which is championed by many posters here -- could go sour in the way that the Metro Housing (TCHC) in Toronto has:

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...8806/?page=all

    A few more projects like these and we'll reach the point where we can say goodbye to any reasonable expectation of balance in the community.

    Too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Oh yay. A group home for 97 people? I wouldn love to know how this place is going to operate. Could be great. Could be absolutely awful. .

    "...on-site staff will provide health-care services, bathing and personal care, meals, and recreational and social programming for residents.... The facility will replace two of the society’s older housing projects in the area, one of which will be demolished and turned into a park as part of the neighbourhood’s redevelopment..."

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...n-the-quarters

    or just refer to the previous page...

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    The project itself sounds fine, but things like this need to be spread out across more neighborhoods around the city to ensure success. Concentrating them in Boyle-McCaulay area is creating a huge problem that makes the entire city suffer. There is no excuse to pile them all in one place - there is an abundance of affordable land around Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Oh yay. A group home for 97 people? I wouldn love to know how this place is going to operate. Could be great. Could be absolutely awful. .

    "...on-site staff will provide health-care services, bathing and personal care, meals, and recreational and social programming for residents.... The facility will replace two of the society’s older housing projects in the area, one of which will be demolished and turned into a park as part of the neighbourhood’s redevelopment..."

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...n-the-quarters

    or just refer to the previous page...
    Thanks but not quite what I meant. I work in mental health and am in the process of pursuing further education in the field. I am curious about the fine details. It could be amazing if done one way, and terrible if done another. I don't know much about the organization so will do some research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Oh yay. A group home for 97 people? I wouldn love to know how this place is going to operate. Could be great. Could be absolutely awful.
    If it's set up using the Gibson Block/Woman's Shelter template it won't be good. The tenants could be targeted as victims by an opportunistic criminal element. Or the group running the facility.

    Or it could be like the Salvation Army shelter over on 103A Ave and 93rd Street: I was walking through the neighbourhood with my sister a few years back and a tenant from the building began making highly inappropriate physical comments to/about my sister. When we ignored him he wandered down the street and got into a shouting match with folks sitting on their balcony overlooking the street. The guy was obviously afflicted with mental health issues but the fact that he targeted a woman in the company of a healthy male, and didn't possess the filters to control the types of things he said makes me wonder what he might have done had it been dark and my sister was alone.

    There is another guy (the local kids called him Tourettes Man) and he used to wander from Downtown to Millwoods while carrying on a running argument with himself and the dialogue seemed to be on roughly a 30 second loop. Apart from his using the F-Bombs he was harmless, albeit his route took him by a children's playground in Forest Heights and his antics would creep out the mothers who had their kids at the park on play dates.
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    I think the new shelter would be better than the Gibson Block that I worry about decaying.
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    So there's a new crane up on 103A ave between 95 and 96 St, (closer to 95). I haven't heard of any development there on this board. Anybody know what the dealio is?

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    ^ I saw the crane as well on the Capital line to Southgate just before the train entered in to the tunnel by the bottle depot.
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    Supportive housing south of Boyle Renaissance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildings View Post
    So there's a new crane up on 103A ave between 95 and 96 St, (closer to 95). I haven't heard of any development there on this board. Anybody know what the dealio is?
    From Post# 1210

    189323110-017
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    To construct the FOOTING and FOUNDATION only for a new 5 Storey, 97 sleeping unit, Group Home building

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    yes, of course. thank you. I always think that 103a ave is 104 ave, that's my confusion.

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    Oh right, I forgot about this. I think I know what's coming next beside this: A safe injection site.
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    5 Storey, 97 sleeping unit. Is that like 25 beds a floor ignoring the first floor? I guess my confusion is the word "unit". Anyone with insight on the actual programming of that space?

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    I know the organization a little bit. I expect that they will be similar to nursing home rooms, maybe some with common bathrooms, not private, depending on specific security or care needs. The residents eat in a common dining room, and have varying levels of care, supervision and freedom depending on their needs in the various facilities that they operate now, I presume that the same would continue in the new facility, since it's mostly replacing existing spaces.

    Their current "main" facility in the area is in poor shape and I'm sure will be demolished - it's the one south across 103A ave from police headquarters.
    There can only be one.

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    Thank you. Sounds like it will be a step up and is a vital community support.

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    Join us on June 6th for a night to chat about the future of the Quarters and how to get more investment/activity going in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Join us on June 6th for a night to chat about the future of the Quarters and how to get more investment/activity going in the area.

    https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/the-futu...tm_term=attend
    Well,selling tickets to an event on investment in the Quarters, is a step in the right direction. The proceeds wont bring in a lot of investment, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by envaneo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Join us on June 6th for a night to chat about the future of the Quarters and how to get more investment/activity going in the area.

    https://www.eventbrite.ca/e/the-futu...tm_term=attend
    Well,selling tickets to an event on investment in the Quarters, is a step in the right direction. The proceeds wont bring in a lot of investment, however.
    the tickets are free, it's more about knowing and managing attendance...

    unfortunately i have a ticket but may not be able to avoid not using it and having to attend a condo board meeting...
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    Reminder - Quarters event tomorrow night! Please join us.

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    Looking forward to hosting and moderating tonight. If anything, join us for the talk and stay for the most beautiful 2nd floor lounge overlooking the river valley and city with the best furniture I have seen of late. Modern Teak.

    Free tickets:

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    What a great evening at the beautiful new Hyatt Place Edmonton lounge (please go experience it) to discuss The Quarters. Community, respect, investment and people are what is needed.


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    Along with a half dozen safe injection sites apparently.

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    Great night, packed lounge at the Hyatt (awesome patio btw). We spoke about what has occurred since 2006, quick wins, halfway through the CRL, 70mil in UG work, 'nothing about us without us', who the key stakeholders are (ie. existing community), who potential partners are, crime stats, perception versus reality, parking lots, family friendly housing, Alldritt impact, 95st/jasper hole, barriers and opportunities etc.

    I want to do another one of these this fall.
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    Excellent to hear
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    A video of The Armature fully completed:


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    If you have not had a chance to grab a drink at the new Hyatt Edmonton in the Quarters, do so and enjoy their fantastic interior design and unique patio vantage.


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    The hotel looks good, I'll have to stop by sometime to check it out. The Armature also looks nice, although now we need buildings and people to populate the area and bring it truly back to life.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    We need 2 or 3 significant, market, mid-range residential projects to get this going full stop.
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    Just getting corner 1 moving again would be a big winner. If that, the artist tower and Aldritt go, then along with hyatt, the LRT and the armature 9& connecting bike lanes) I think the base and momentum will be there.

    Still a few year before we see all that, though.
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    Top_Dawg can only conjure up a scene of azz plugged cornholios sipping $21 mimosas while gazing down on a group of bumboolas fighting over a rock, whilst a never ending parade of etowns down-and-outers rattle their shopping carts from every direction heading towards the nearby bottle depot.

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    Explore layers of art and history in The Quarters
    July 5, 2017

    Media are invited on a 45-minute guided tour of the newly-launched ArtTourYEG: The Quarters. This is the third in a series of self-guided art tours that explore the hiding-in-plain-sight art throughout the core. Hosted by the City of Edmonton, the tour includes insights from Susan Pointe, the curator of all three Art Tour YEGs.

    Join us to get the backstory on the hidden graffiti walls, ghost signs, and heritage buildings of Edmonton's original downtown. The Quarters tour is a condensed version of the full tour which features 37 stops. As part of the tour, participants will see art along The Quarters’ signature street, The Armature, which is part of the City’s $70 million investment to revitalize the area.

    Date: Thursday, July 6, 2017
    Time: 12:15 p.m.
    Location: East side of Shaw Conference Centre Hall D (9797 Jasper Ave), beside the art piece, ‘Inukshuk’.

    Please RSVP to confirm your attendance.

    For more information:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Dawg View Post


    Top_Dawg can only conjure up a scene of azz plugged cornholios sipping $21 mimosas while gazing down on a group of bumboolas fighting over a rock, whilst a never ending parade of etowns down-and-outers rattle their shopping carts from every direction heading towards the nearby bottle depot.
    Yes to the shopping carts! Lordy..

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    Asked for a sit-down with the City yesterday to get an update and talk about ways to accelerate growth/projects/investment in the area. Lots of ideas still and a bunch of things to be rolled out over the next mid-term. Cidex is going to help immensely with attracting more to the area.
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    Is this meeting on behalf of the DECL? If so, why are they working on behalf of a neighbourhood outside of it's boundaries which, per the DECL website, ends at 97 st?

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    This was on behalf of the DBA. Our boundaries are 95-111st from 97ave to 105ave.

    I am not longer on the DECL board.
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    You may want to have them update their website then. Having a link to the DECl as your sig and being listed as VP makes it appear that you are still involved.

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    Thanks for the reminder, passed a note along as I did not realize I was.

    I am still a member, hence the link.
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    The link is fine. The link and listing you as a board member can lead to confusion as to wether your posts are official DECL or not.

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    Indeed. I have request it removed.
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    Have you been able to have conversations directly with Cidex? Curious what gave them confidence to invest in the area. Hyatt? The new streetscape?

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    I will be reaching out to them in the next week, among others
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    Hyatt Place Hotel owner disappointed by pace of development in The Quarters

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    The Hyatt Place Hotel still regularly sees empty rooms, in part due to the sluggish development of eastern downtown, the hotel’s owner said.

    Nearly a year after it opened its doors, the 255-room hotel currently sits at a 50 per cent occupancy rate, lower than a healthy 65 per cent. And the retail space on the ground of the hotel lies empty.

    Owner Prem Singhmar — who owns other establishments in the greater Edmonton area — said the hotel at 9576 Jasper Ave. was planned during a boom cycle in Alberta as a part of The Quarters plan to fix up a neglected part of the city’s core.

    However, the province’s economic slump has hindered the continuation of The Quarters plan and the eventual end of construction in the region.

    “We are hoping that more development will come in the area, but nothing has started, so far at least,” he said.

    Singhmar blames low oil prices and a general economic slump for the slow development surrounding the hotel.

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    It's too bad really. They took a huge risk, and so far it looks like it isn't paying off.

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    Such a shame nobody else is building around there. Even with this nice hotel it's still a terrible area.

    Not the fault of the developer.

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    Know a restaurant owner who eventually moved to Calgary - this isn't anything new about the Quarters - it's been a long standing story of missed promises.

    But hey! maybe if we close off a few more streets so no one can get there from anywhere in the city!
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    ^ what street is closed?
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    Keep in mind that the 're-development' or 're-birth' of The Quarters is a generational timeline, if not more.
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    Why the city chose to put all this money into renovating 96 st. (where few developers have any interest in building anything right now still) while there are still sections of 105 ave. (where developers are seemingly eager to build) without any sidewalks is beyond me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    ^ what street is closed?
    Can't turn off Jasper onto 96th
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
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    ^ what street is closed?
    Can't turn off Jasper onto 96th
    for the last few weeks you have been able to turn north onto 96th from jasper. half the street from jasper to 103a avenue is still one way (in opposite directions ) but it's better than it was.
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    “We are hoping that more development will come in the area, but nothing has started, so far at least,” he said.




    Say it isn't so !

    And Top_Dawg imagines the CofE's zeal for placing safe injection sites nearby against the resident's wishes will really spur development.





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    ^It really is bizarre how the city thinks they can cram virtually all the city's social services into the Quarters area (instead of spreading them out across the city) and not think this would be detrimental to the area's development.

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    The city tried to spread out social services. Remember the uproar from the fine, upstanding citizens of Tewillager? You really can't blame "the city" when it's the citizens that are pushing for everything to be in one area.

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    The city could easily work harder to force the issue and they really need to if they don't want the Quarters to remain a development dead zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    The city tried to spread out social services. Remember the uproar from the fine, upstanding citizens of Tewillager? You really can't blame "the city" when it's the citizens that are pushing for everything to be in one area.
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    what can one expect when there's a federal correction facility across the street, an (what's perceived as) abandoned hole in the ground at the end of the block, and an (fire waiting to happen) abandoned murder lounge across from there. once all three of those are gone then maybe we might see some actual progress. progress should not be described as generational either. that just means there's zero vision and little planning in the works for something that needs change right now/near future. place has already been a total dump for a generation tho. so there's that...
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    They're now further north, close to 103rd ave

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    Go check out the Impulse Loop display on 96st north of 102ave.
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    http://edmontonjournal.com/life/food...n-the-quarters

    The family that runs Cafe Mosaics, a Whyte Avenue eatery known for its coziness and vegetarian comfort food, is set to open a new restaurant just east of the downtown core.

    The Moth Cafe will open in the former home of the Trang Tien Vietnamese Restaurant at 9449 Jasper Ave. later this month.

    Like Cafe Mosaics, The Moth will serve plant-based food with an emphasis on raw and nutritious ingredients. Menu highlights include a Banana Blossom Miso Soup, raw pasta dishes and a Kombucha bar. ...

    By having The Moth open from 10 a.m. until 10 p.m. and keeping prices low, the family hopes to appeal to the area’s diverse residents and become a community gathering place.

    “People usually associate raw and vegan ingredients with higher prices, but we’re trying to make it affordable so anyone can have a taste and be a part of that lifestyle,” Khuong said.

    “We’re trying to light up a corner on the street.”
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    Sounds great. Hopefully they’re not a couple years too early of any real dense residential with the new tower across the street soon to be on the go hopefully.

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    Hooray!

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    So how much space along 96 is this park going to be? Will it be closing access on any avenues?

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    The canopy is tacky and going to look like crap in short order. I can’t imagine it’s cheap either. We could do without the canopy I think.

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    I hope they intend for there to be more green-space in the park than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    So how much space along 96 is this park going to be? Will it be closing access on any avenues?
    the park as currently laid out restricts traffic on 96th street to one way southbound going past the park. the city's choices at jasper/101a ave and 96 st restrict traffic on 96th street to one way northbound. there is no way to get from jasper avenue to 103a avenue or from 103a avenue to jasper avenue in the quarters other than 95th street.

    the park also stops east bound traffic on 103 avenue at 96 street, forcing it to turn south only. 103 avenue westbound is also stopped at the park forcing it to turn either north or south into a lane.
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    The canopy is tacky and going to look like crap in short order. I can’t imagine it’s cheap either. We could do without the canopy I think.
    I agree, we don't need to be edgy in our designs, please stick to what is proven to be successful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    The canopy is tacky and going to look like crap in short order. I can’t imagine it’s cheap either. We could do without the canopy I think.
    I agree, we don't need to be edgy in our designs, please stick to what is proven to be successful.
    maybe they have a hard time finding edmonton examples of that (proven to be successful)?

    personally, i don't have a problem with edgy but there is a time and a place for it and i'm not sure this is it, not necessarily because it's edgy but because of what we're trying to do here and whether or not this accomplishes that (i don't think it does but that's not because a particular element is or isn't edgy).
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    They need to look at other cities to see what designs were successful. We don't need to experiment with new designs all the time.
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    Or ask people what they want.

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    personally I like the type of urban parks in New York City; a couple of well placed paved paths, lots of trees to make for a cool oasis, and lots of benches lining said paths, water fountains for both human and animal.

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    We already have that and it is 22 times the size of Central Park called the river valley. Grab a bike and take your dog(s)for runs.

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    ^Different park systems and designs and purposes and accessibility.
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    There are tonnes access to that valley. I just wish people would stop using excuses. More parks please, but they're never used. When that park on 105 finished. I purposely parked myself there for a week everyday and observed the level of usage; guess what I saw? Nobody even looked at it let alone use it.

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    Large field of grass in low density residential neighbourhood = park. Small treed plaza with benches in central higher density neighbourhood = park.

    Both are parks. The term park has many different designs, purposes, levels engagement. There are distinct differences between an urban forest and river valley like the Saskatchewan River Valley and an urban park like that on 105th. I'm not denying not many people you say didn't pay attention to the park at that time of day, or that the River Valley is underused. But from a design stand point there are many different forms of parks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by buildings View Post
    personally I like the type of urban parks in New York City; a couple of well placed paved paths, lots of trees to make for a cool oasis, and lots of benches lining said paths, water fountains for both human and animal.
    The East Village has parks that are literally one building lot wide and deep. Some are sculpture parks, others community gardens, others have different themes. Oh, and they're gated at night.

    I'd think a half dozen or so similar pocket parks would work wonders in that area.
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    The dog run gets lots of use - suspect so will the community gardens.

    As more condo towers full up, I suspect the main, open area will get increased use as well.

    Not a huge fan of the design, but I think (hope?) usage will grow. (Guess you didn't see me sneaking a highly illegal manhatten while people watching ...)
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    For me a park is a park. It is used for a form of relaxation/reflextion or for your pets. As per form or usage, that is quite a big bs imo. One can't sit in the valley, or one can't walk their dog along the valley? I use the valley when I stay downtown. I use the street when I stay in our home on the very West southern tip of the city as there is limited traffic right now- as do other residence. It is a high end real estate zone and we don't have parks, but somehow were all content. I'm not against parks; I'm just against people wanting parks then it gets built, but no one use it. Like I mentioned, i maintain my observant throughout the day for an entire week only to see it empty just like Beavor park. The other factor that bothers me with parks designed in the core is they lack stuff for children as well. I don't know about anyone else, but I love the screaming from children when they're playing and having fun. That seems to be the missing ingredients in our parks downtown hence why it is so dead.

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    ^Exactly, a park's design is a key factor to its success, as well as its surrounding environment (built or social). Beaver Hills Park is "well used" in the afternoon on weekdays and weekends to a good degree (in the summer that I know of anyway). And in the short few years of development and residents moving into the area around the 105th street park, I will see more use. I agree some elements of design that are lacking can make a big negative impact, but I'd argue our current social (downtown living) and built (lack of street-orientated shops in the area) environments affect our urban landscape and our urban parks. Current planning and design enforces a stronger bond to make these neighbourhoods and areas work well together and be vibrant.

    A good park can be isolated from urban environments and be wildly successful (more naturalized or a wooded area), but also a good park can be unsuccessful when isolated ("urban" park or plaza). Form/elements in the plaza and usage can define success and failure, for they are designed and built environments, and can largely depend of the habits and passive interactions of people currently there, and in anticipation of new users (future development, or people already in the area but now attracted by the space). Landscape architects will tell you no park is the same (when human built and designed) and they pose many issues and frustrations. Kids parks are both awesome and code/safety nightmares to design and build. Parks are tricky. For human behaviour is tricky.
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    The only successful usage for downtown that I can recall is the Leg prior to renovation. People made it a destination to go there daily during the summer . That should be the blueprint, in a smaller scale, if any park should be designed. The new park on 105 st. is a joke. It is nothing but a glorified concrete flooring with a few trees. Yeah! I'm all for parks, but let's do it differently for each so that they become destinations. For example, one park should be a dog park so they can run freely; another one could be a flower park where we showcase the best looking local plants that looks exotic. Design it so it imitates nature; Or, how about a park where people could just gather to do ti chi just as an example. The problem for me is seeing homogenized development that sits empty courtesy of tax payers. Go to places like Hong Kong, Chicago and New York where you see people from early morning until late night. I have yet to see that in Edmonton. Yes noon hours are great when people have lunches etc., but what about the rest of the day or evening on a nice day? That won't happen as Sumsungs and IPhones won that war.

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    ^There has to be a draw to that park and what is the draw? The Quarters "draw" is to evolve it over time as a destination in itself, as a commercial and more dense street which leads to the River Valley. The Ledge is a destination. Beaver Hills is not and it's small and the design inhibits it in some ways. And exactly, all parks are a little bit different. This and 105th street are different and will be than many Edmonton parks. A variety.

    This park will only execute well in the neighbourhood does.
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    CTZNED. I wasn't referring to central park, but parks such as madison square (see link), herald square, washington square, bowling green park. all approximately 1x1 or 1x2 ciy blocks in size, comparable to the size of the proposed quarters park.

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    ^
    I know those parks you are referring to. My point is, we have the world's biggest city park that people dont use; we have homogenized parks in pockets that are only used during lunch for office crowds. I go visit friends within 121 st area where Paul Kane(?) Park is regularly, and do I ever see people there? Once or twice.

    ^^
    That park should incorporate some native theme and I wouldn't mind if our Native community
    Incorporate a huge sweat lodge in there; around that sweat lodge, there should be nicely placed and planted sweatgrass as an example. This would set it different than other parks and, therefor, people will occasionally make their destination to that sweat lodge.

    Whom here visits that Louise McKinnon park with that gorgeous Chinese garden there regularly? No one because Samsung and Apple won the war.

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    ^Actually lots of people visit Louise McKinney Park even with the LRT construction on the east side and the formally closed trail on the west for the funicular construction. With the Edmonton Queen running again this summer this park with the Funicular view point are going to be very popular which hopefully will encourage the city to work on the river walk pathway a bit quicker to connect to Rossdale. I like the idea of the native theme although are you aware that on the old Fox Farm (Whitemud Park) there is a plan to build a sweat lodge and facilities at at area that has been spiritually important to the local indigenous community for thousands of years. I believe construction is to start this year or next.
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    DP notice for the mixed use artist tower in the Quarters.

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    Reconstruct the north and east facade of the Koermann Block.

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