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    Quarters project goes to council in April
    Susan Ruttan, edmontonjournal.com
    Published: 6:18 pm
    EDMONTON - The first major project in The Quarters, the 18-block area of east downtown that the city wants to revitalize, goes to city council April 14.

    Senior city planner Duncan Fraser calls the 62-unit Valleyview condo proposal "a sign of confidence in the Quarters."

    The 16-storey Valleyview building would occupy a parking lot south of Jasper Avenue at 96th Street, and would sit directly in front of St. Barbara's Russian Orthodox Cathedral.


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    Font:****Developer Vinterra Properties is seeking a zoning change to allow the project, which is taller than current zoning allows, to proceed. Such high-density buildings are exactly what planners of The Quarters are aiming to attract.

    So the project goes to council with the endorsement of the planning department, which states in a report that the Valleyview building "has the potential to act as a catalyst for further neighbourhood re-investment."


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    I really hope this takes off...

    Some Additional Information on this Development:
    "The Quarters"
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    This one excites me. I really love the images I've seen so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMod View Post
    I really hope this takes off...

    Some Additional Information on this Development:
    "The Quarters"
    In terms of proximity to the downtown core, one of the best areas for redevelopment.

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    ^and some solid planning to date...closing off 96th and creating park mall lined with trees is brilliant
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    In my opinion the slow revitilization of 97th & east already began happening with 'improvements' to the area (ie.Courtyard by Marriot, Hardware Grill, new DUB Farmer's market & Arts Loft project, restoration of Gibson block). The Valleyview project should only help to spur this on further. I can't wait until the day when the leases for the 'porno shop' & 'bathhouses' expire on Jasper Ave & 97th to 98th St. The 'flashing lights' porno shop behind Gibson is probably the worst (I hope the business doesn't own the building). Anyone know status of these leases?

    In terms of Valleyview, it will be interesting to see what clients will move into those main floor retail bays, as it can have such a profound effect on what we see around the surrounding area in the future. The building itself screams Starbucks, but the area does not YET (although kudos to Starbucks if they did go for it). Would be great to see another Hardware Grill-like restaurant there. Any other guesses to potential retail clients?

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    a starbucks there would be closest to the convention centre...
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    The two lots west of the Flat iron building are uber prime. I hope that whoever eventually decides to build there hires a talented architect. Such a great opportunity to fuse historical and contemporary with deadly views. I'd much prefer to see a Maverick brewery over an Icon podium, if you get my drift.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mick View Post
    The two lots west of the Flat iron building are uber prime. I hope that whoever eventually decides to build there hires a talented architect. Such a great opportunity to fuse historical and contemporary with deadly views. I'd much prefer to see a Maverick brewery over an Icon podium, if you get my drift.

    Ian, WK - how about some hypotheticals?
    I would love to see things that are very modern there and a huge departure from the flatiron as it should be "a landmark".

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    In the rezoning plan, other than the Valleyview, the height of buildings looks to be restricted to 12 or 14 stories. I do hope that the City will allow -- in fact encourage - taller structures. It seems that we're stuck with what I call medium-rise towers - almost the "Edmonton Syndrome."
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    a starbucks there would be closest to the convention centre...
    If IanO had kids...


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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnorwoodink View Post
    In the rezoning plan, other than the Valleyview, the height of buildings looks to be restricted to 12 or 14 stories. I do hope that the City will allow -- in fact encourage - taller structures. It seems that we're stuck with what I call medium-rise towers - almost the "Edmonton Syndrome."
    in this area i dont mind 12-14 storeys
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    I'm not saying I mind them -- Illuminada I and II are a good example of an attractive 12-storey condo. I'd still like to see some variety and flexibility in the Quarters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMod View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    a starbucks there would be closest to the convention centre...
    If IanO had kids...


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    ^i don't, but you mention coffee again and again so i thought it was appropriate...also saw an image of you and your g.f. on another thread (i.e. oiler hockey game...) which would explain the above image even further...
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    haha^indeed.
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    Developer Vinterra Properties is seeking a zoning change to allow the project, which is taller than current zoning allows, to proceed. Such high-density buildings are exactly what planners of The Quarters are aiming to attract.
    This project is seeking zoning changes to build taller, as is all the towers in Century Park....I wonder how long until we see Strathearn and VFTC do the same...

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    I don't understand why there are zoning restrictions regarding height anywhere downtown. The only height restriction in the core should be due to the airport overlay.

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    IT is due to the airport overlay.

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    I used to live over there, we had planes flying over our heads at every hour of the day. It was a real pain in the butt to be honest.

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    If it is due to the airport overlay then city council doesn't have the power to change zoning.

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    Well it depends... perhaps the overlay allows for a certain height and the current zoning hasn't met those limits yet. Who knows what the situation is. All I know is that planes flew over my condo on a regular basis, so it has to be on some kind of flight path.

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    is the city appropriating all of the land and demolishing it? how exactly is this going to happen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mick View Post
    The two lots west of the Flat iron building are uber prime. I hope that whoever eventually decides to build there hires a talented architect. Such a great opportunity to fuse historical and contemporary with deadly views. I'd much prefer to see a Maverick brewery over an Icon podium, if you get my drift.

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    Nice. I like the contrast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whyteknight View Post


    except now you'll have to decide whether you want the sculpture in front of the td building or here - or is in one of a series?
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    I saw that and thought of Ayn Rand.

    AHAHAHA!

    I wouldn't complain. I love pieces of art like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ralph60 View Post
    If it is due to the airport overlay then city council doesn't have the power to change zoning.
    City Council has all the power they need to chnage the airport overlay...if you know what I mean

    Super tall structures here would look a little out of place, at this time, but may not be in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by whyteknight View Post


    except now you'll have to decide whether you want the sculpture in front of the td building or here - or is in one of a series?
    Well everytime I go to an edc meeting all they talk about is the public art so i decided to put a sculpture or two or water features in all my designs lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by pepsi_corp View Post
    ...The building itself screams Starbucks, but the area does not YET (although kudos to Starbucks if they did go for it). Would be great to see another Hardware Grill-like restaurant there....
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO
    ...a starbucks there would be closest to the convention centre....
    Recent article: (Who would've thunk...)

    Projects for Public Spaces
    ...the Seattle-based firm launched a bold move that will go down in the annals of business innovation. Long aware that the active ingredient in its success was sociability more than caffeine, Starbucks announced in September that it would install a public plaza outside most of its 15,000 stores worldwide.

    Industry insiders scoffed when company chairman Howard Schultz declared, “And when we say public squares, we mean public squares! You can bring in your own latte from Peet’s, Caribou or your local independent coffee shop. You also can gather signatures for petitions or wave protest signs.”

    Yet public response was immediate—and overwhelming. Espresso, tea and scone revenues climbed 619 percent within the first week at Starbucks locations outfitted with the new plazas. And, curiously, sales at independently owned coffee shops also tripled in neighborhoods with Starbucks plazas.
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    Isn't China Town in this area? And if it is, is it going to be incorporated into it or moved/axed?

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    Chinatown is north of the Quarters...

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    There's the map for you

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    oh ok, thanks, hopefull that area will also improve

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    That said, the "quasi-Chinatown" on 102 Ave is in the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    That said, the "quasi-Chinatown" on 102 Ave is in the area.
    reinforced on the map which identifies that stretch of 102 ave as "harbin road".
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    102ave chinatown was the original "chinatown" but then speculation that it would become, like the quarters plan now ironcically, valuable land...put an end to the chinese community being able to run mom and pop restaurants et al.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    102ave chinatown was the original "chinatown" but then speculation that it would become, like the quarters plan now ironcically, valuable land...put an end to the chinese community being able to run mom and pop restaurants et al.
    97th street between 105 ave and 107 ave was - and remains - edmonton's original chinatown. it's move/growth south was encouraged through the location of the elder's mansion buildings along 102 ave/harbin road amongst other initiatives - including the gate - as an attempt to both expand the community and to assist jasper east in the direction the quarters will hopefully now take it. it wasn't just hard times in the 80's and 90's that put a stop to it - it was greatly hampered by the development of canada place and the brownlee building and the remand centre which eliminated the kind of pedestrian links that should have been nurtured instead and that would have fostered a great deal more than "mom and pop restaurants". one day it will offer the equal of the sun yat tsen gardens or the international village or aberdeen mall with a whole host of offerings of everything from electronics to fashion to furniture from major department stores as well as independents and it will stretch from 107 ave all the way down to louise mckinney park.
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    Mention in today's Journal (Sunday April 6) of the zoning amendments.
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    Default Highrise approved for downtown Edmonton

    Highrise approved for downtown Edmonton


    Susan Ruttan, edmontonjournal.com

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    Published: 10:25 am Tuesday April 15 2008


    EDMONTON - The first highrise building in the downtown area called the Quarters has been approved by city council.


    Council unanimously approved waiving the six-storey height restriction to allow a 16-storey condo tower to be built on a parking lot at Jasper Avenue and 96th Street.


    "It's the first big project to go up in the Quarters," Coun. Ben Henderson, who represents the area, said in an interview today.


    Map illustrating the location of proposed condo building in The Quarters.

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    I am really excited about this project.... To me, it looks like it will be a high quality development. Not only that, but it is right along Jasper Ave with great views west, east, and south. I can't wait to hear to see what else is proposed for the Quarters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    I am really excited about this project.... To me, it looks like it will be a high quality development. Not only that, but it is right along Jasper Ave with great views west, east, and south. I can't wait to hear to see what else is proposed for the Quarters.
    It will definitely be high quality. Vinterra Properties builds very good projects; even its frame construction projects (such as The Landing on 98th Avenue) are solid and attractive. I too am looking forward to seeing this new high-rise go up.
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    That's exactly what I want to hear... now if now another 10-12 projects go ahead in the Quarters this year.

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    Great news, anyone want to guess (better still know) when construction will start?
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    ^ I would give it a year or two.

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    I think it will be sooner - within the year.
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    I get the feeling they'll move rather quickly on this one

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    Vinterra acts as their own GC I believe. That may allow them to move ahead faster. Depending on sub-trade availability.

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    With all of that open space, and run down buildings, why oh why did they have to choose the place where I currently park to build? Oh well, I'm glad to see some action around there so I suppose that losing my parking spot is the price to be paid. I do hope that the new building will not totally hide the old Russian Orthodox Cathedral that can now be seen from Jasper Ave. It gives Edmonton a bit of flavor of old Montreal. When you look at any old picture of that area of downtown, it is there.

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    You'll certainly be able to see the cathedral as you drive east along Jasper; I'm not so sure about coming west. but the tower itself is complementary to the cathedral, and is a heck of a lot more aesthetic than what's there now.
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    I see that signs have been put up around in a few locations announcing the quarters project. My question though is when will there be any construction starting on any buildings in this area. Anyone have any updates?
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    What kind of signs? Pictures anyone?

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    ^ There's a large redevelopment sign at the corner of 95th Street and Jasper (northeast corner). It includes a map of the Quarters area along with various site designations, park locations, etc. I don't know if there are other similar signs elsewhere.
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    Interesting. So this is a map to show possible new developments? Just a map of the neighborhood?

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    I didn't get a close-up look (was driving by and was stopped at the traffic light). But it appears to be just a map/diagram of the neighbourhood and the various zones proposed for it - high-rise, parks, boulevards, etc.
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    This looks very promising, indeed. I looked over the report and I was genuinely excited at the prospect of this urban development.

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    ^...this is absolutely crucial to the future development of our DT
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    I agree with you. It is nice to know that redevelopment for the downtown area is full steam ahead. Our downtown will be astounding in the foreseeable future!

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    Could the quarters thread in 'announcements' be merged into this one?

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    So what's the latest news/plans for The Quarters?

    Has anyone heard of anything? What is the city going to do with the crappy old buildings (ie. the porn shop on 96 st)? Are they going to demolish the buildings?

    I can't wait to see the city take initiative to demolish ugly (eye-sore) buildings, but keep a few historical ones like the corner of 97 and Jasper (NE corner).

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    ^
    As far as I know, the city is mostly working on the landscape and infastructure components of the area. In addition to zoning changes, they're hoping there's enough incentive for developers to start moving in.
    I doubt we'll actually see the city demolishing buildings any time soon however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kubchaser View Post
    So what's the latest news/plans for The Quarters?

    Has anyone heard of anything? What is the city going to do with the crappy old buildings (ie. the porn shop on 96 st)? Are they going to demolish the buildings?

    I can't wait to see the city take initiative to demolish ugly (eye-sore) buildings, but keep a few historical ones like the corner of 97 and Jasper (NE corner).
    I hope those buildings you're referring to aren't demolished... if the Quarters ends up being a success, those buildings would make some great little retails shops, lofts, apartments, etc with some major renovations.

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    Although I would agree that Vinterra has built some exceptional buildings in the past - does anyone know why its taken them so long to get their University Properties on 109th wrapped up? It's been well over 16 months since they've begun and they still have a ways to go.

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    The University Properties is actively under construction now. I don't know why it took so long to begin, but I think you'll see it progress steadily now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnorwoodink View Post
    The University Properties is actively under construction now. I don't know why it took so long to begin, but I think you'll see it progress steadily now.
    I drive by this site twice a day. It is coming up pretty quickly now. It is built using prefab panel construction. Must be the future in condo construction.

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    ^ God I hope not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidnorwoodink View Post
    The University Properties is actively under construction now. I don't know why it took so long to begin, but I think you'll see it progress steadily now.
    It's been "actively under construction" for two years it seems like. They dug the parkade out years ago, and work has proceeded at a snail's pace since. No idea why it's gone so slowly.

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    ^ Not true. it was initially marketed in May 2007, and at first it was to be sold in a closed bidding process - this was a when the market was totally hot. As the market slowed, Vinterra changed its marketing philosophy, since sales weren't as brisk as they'd initially thought. As I understand it, there are now six units left for sale. Construction actually started in January 2008.
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    The parkade was dug sometime early summer 2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTA View Post
    ^ God I hope not.

    While Edmonton's examples of large prefab condos isn't that good so far, prefab will occur on a much larger scale in the near future. There is a lot of work going on to make thgis occur and the U of A is is ahead of the curve. http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/construction/index.cfm

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    There's a huge development in Ft McMurray called Eagle Ridge, by Centron Construction. All of the 4 and 6 storey buildings are built with pre-cast concrete panels trucked in from Lafarge's plant. The only cast in place concrete are the parkades and infill between the buildings that sit on a single large parkade. I don't know if it's necessarily the wave of the future, but it seems to work pretty well, especially when you're trying to build 15-20 buildings in a very short time period, it very much simplifies things when every building and floor plan is identical.

    But they're not exactly architectural marvels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LindseyT View Post
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    ^ God I hope not.

    While Edmonton's examples of large prefab condos isn't that good so far, prefab will occur on a much larger scale in the near future. There is a lot of work going on to make thgis occur and the U of A is is ahead of the curve. http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/construction/index.cfm
    Granted, my perception of "prefab" is tainted by local projects...

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    Which is fair.

    While I don't think this is the style of building any of us are cheering for, prefabrication hasn't compromised the design to make it look like some cheaply stacked trailers. If you can overcome the dynamic issues of transporting structures with a brick shell (which they did) there isn't much you can't do.

    The prof who consulted on this project gave us a lecture last year and he said something that really stood out. You spend 30 grand on a car and you expect it to be assembled in a controlled environment, why is it that when you spend 10x that on a house you don't?




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    Quote Originally Posted by raz0469 View Post
    There's a huge development in Ft McMurray called Eagle Ridge, by Centron Construction. All of the 4 and 6 storey buildings are built with pre-cast concrete panels trucked in from Lafarge's plant. .
    This technology is very popular downunder - but they don't label it pre-fab (for marketing reasons - just call it permanent material). I'm all for concrete construction for this climate.

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    Agreed. I think we should see more manufactured building components in the future. In addition to the precast concrete, I'd like to see more solid timber pannels in North America.
    Like SIPS panels, they can be used as walls, ceilings or floors, they're pre-manufactured in a controlled environment; on-site assembly is extremely quick, it's a fairly ecological product (can be made of substandard wood, which is itself a renewable resource of course), optimal thermal insulation (100mm of solid timber panel = 15000mm of concrete), and can be shipped pre-finished so there's no need for GWB or similar on the interior.









    and just as a note, all of my examples are timber-clad boxes, as that's what's all the rage in Switzerland right now. Traditional styles can be built with massivholz type construction as well, if for some crazy reason you'd want something like that

    and sorry for taking this way off the topic of the Quaters.

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    Well back to the topic of the Quarters, has anyone heard any news of any time frames for anything to start happening? I keep hoping to see some construction fences put up or grading of a lot or demolision of a building or something.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    Quarters was approved by council in November I think. But funding is still a question mark. I think the city had $60M from the fed budget. This would more than likely go into sewer repair, expansion and underground infrastructure then into items that would be visible. The YMCA proposal on 96th Street and 103A avenue now has funding and with a 2011 opening date I would assume they would try to break ground sometime this year. Haven't heard anything about Valleyview yet! No demos yet either.
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    i wonder why more funding towards this wasn't on the wishlist for infrastructure/ stimulus funds sent to the feds.

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    ^Because LRT is a higher priority.
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    did you read the wishlist for funding that was published in one other thread?

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    http://www.connect2edmonton.ca/forum...ad.php?t=10499

    Yes I did although it sounds like your question is leading to ....????

    For the Quarters the initial ask for the city was $150 M for the project so work could start this summer. Unsure of why they only asked for $60M from the feds unless it was to have a variety of shovel ready projects and had other lower cost items as well.
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    $60M is almost 1/3 of $150M... each level of government is supposed to provide 1/3 of the funding... makes sense to me.

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    ^ bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by booster View Post
    Quarters was approved by council in November I think. But funding is still a question mark...
    it's not just "funding" that is a question mark when it comes to the planning and implementation for the quarters.

    the following letter is a good example [or a bad one, depending on your perspective] of why some things in our city move like molasses. it's a prime example of trying to "link" things where none exists (i.e. we shouldn't spend money on art galleries when there are potholes in our streets; we shouldn't build an arena or host an expo because our economic circumstance are either too good or too bad [pick one, your choice] for us to do so...).

    not proceeding with the quarters will not solve a half century of neglect for those communities east and north of downtown. not proceeding with the quarters will not solve the underlying issues behind homelessness. the current state of the quarters is a large part of the problem, not a solution that should be preserved. there are many things we should be doing to address the problem but doing nothing in the quarters is not going to contribute to a solution.

    while donna and susan purport to speak for "the riverdale community league", they certainly do not have a mandate to speak on behalf of all riverdalians, at least on this issue, from my perpsective. at the december meeting at which they were first "delegated to present" the referenced motion and the january meeting where they were "directed to write to council", there were no more than 12 minuted individuals present - including donna and susan - at either one.

    as a riverdalian, i can confirm that the assumptions - and the presumptions - and the agendas behind this letter are not those of all riverdalians. and as an individual, i certainly share the stated end objectives in it (as i am sure most riverdalians would as well) but i must disagree most emphatically with the inappropriate linkages made to those objectives and the price we will all pay if we continue to let ourselves get mired down doing nothing as a result.

    "January 13, 2009

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    Dear Mayor and Councilors,

    On December 9, 2008 we (Donna Koziak and Susan Evans-Davies) participated in a public meeting called by the Boyle Renaissance Advisory Committee to preview their report to City Council. We attended on behalf of the Riverdale Community League; we were delegated to present and support the following resolution:

    “Riverdale Community league has serious concerns about the Boyle Renaissance project as proposed. In particular there is a concern about the failure to meet the needs of the existing and shadow population of the whole Quarters/Boyle Renaissance proposal area.”

    (Motion adopted by the Riverdale CL, General Meeting, Dec. 1, 200

    At the January 5th general meeting of the Riverdale Community League we were directed to write this letter to draw your attention to the above Resolution and the reasons for it.

    Neighborliness is a strong tradition in Riverdale; a tradition that enriches our community culture and enhances our quality of life. The area proposed for the Quarters and Boyle Renaissance development is a next-door-neighbor to Riverdale. We think it is fair to say that, over the years,
    and in one way or another, our tradition of neighborliness has been extended to our adjoining communities. Children from the Boyle Street area are welcomed at our doors on Halloween, encouraged and welcomed to skate on our ‘no-skate-tag-required’ rink and skateboard park, and
    to play in our playground with its Green Shack summer programs.

    There are many stories of adults from “up the hill” being helped out in Riverdale with an hour’s paid work, a ride, a handout. When iHuman moved into premises adjacent to the border between Boyle Street and Riverdale, the Riverdale Community League officially welcomed them with visits, a donation, and invitations to use our skateboard park and community hall. Many Riverdalians walk or drive through the Boyle Street area daily on their way to work or school.

    Indeed, a significant number of Riverdalians work and volunteer in various agencies like the Bissell Centre, HOPE Mission, Mustard Seed Church and Salvation Army – that serve Boyle Street.

    The stresses that have befallen the Boyle Street area are very visible to Riverdalians in ways that may not be so visible for other Edmontonians. In recent years we have become aware that those stresses have reached a critical - in fact an intolerable - level.

    For many years the catchment of low-cost housing (rooming houses) that Boyle Street provided, constituted an important resource for the City of Edmonton. Here the city’s most vulnerable – our low-income elderly, newly-arrived immigrants, aboriginal, de-institutionalized mentally ill, sufferers of substance abuse illnesses, and just plain poor folk – found shelter, services and community.

    We have been concerned that over the past decade or two these resources were systematically destroyed through the condemnation and demolition of most of Boyle Street’s rooming houses. In the last few years we have become absolutely horrified as it became clearer and clearer that any planning that underlay the changes in Boyle Street was either unconscionably callous and lacking in foresight, or lacking altogether. The destruction of low-cost shelter in Boyle Street was not matched in any sufficient way by construction of new suitable housing. Most of the existing residents were simply displaced. Their tragic circumstances were compounded when foreseeable changes to Alberta’s economy brought an influx of new Edmontonians from Northern Alberta and other parts of Canada who needed low cost housing, and existing Edmonton apartment-dwellers lost their housing as rent increases outstripped incomes.

    As stated above, Riverdalians see what is happening in Boyle Street in ways that may be hidden from other Edmontonians. We see how many of the displaced folk still cling to the old area. We see them pushing their shopping carts of possessions across the empty lots, like deer crossing
    clear-cuts. We see them lying on the sidewalks around the Hope Mission in the freezing cold. We hear about and attend the funerals for deaths attributable to homelessness.

    Moreover, in Riverdale itself we see the people who live for weeks or months at a time in broken down cars parked on our streets, under the big spruce trees that surround our community hall, in vacant garages and sheds that back onto our lanes, and in countless camps in the river valley
    that surrounds us. We see them roam our alleyways at night scavenging for returnable bottles to supplement their inadequate or non-existent social service income. We want to stress very clearly that we do not simply want these people “gone”, or out of sight and out of mind. We are
    deeply, deeply worried about them. WE WANT THEM TO HAVE HOMES.

    At the December 9th meeting we were told repeatedly that the Boyle Renaissance and Quarters projects will not alleviate the problems we are concerned about, that we shouldn’t expect them to, and that they had never been intended to. Our point in writing this letter is to say – to demand - that they should. They must! The short-sighted and inadequate references to “integrative”, “mixed” or “low-income” housing being considered along with the “up-market” housing proposed for the Quarters simply does not address this issue of accommodation for the current homeless and marginal-income population that has called this area home for years. The social, governmental and health resources that this population depends upon are located in the Boyle Street area already.

    We demand that any planning and development initiatives in the Boyle Street area give priority to the needs – particularly for housing, but also for social and commercial services - of existing residents and also of the “shadow population” who are currently attached to the Boyle Street and
    surrounding river valley areas, although they may lack actual residences. We demand that any available provincial or federal funds and legal and political resources be dedicated toward this end first and foremost. Only when no Edmontonian is forced to live in the river valley or sleep in the LRT tunnels can we “afford” to allocate resources to upscale inner city development or to build new arenas.

    Sincerely,

    Donna Koziak
    Susan Evans-Davies
    On behalf of the Riverdale Community League"
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    I think the letter is interesting though, in that it speaks to a broader concern that the priority is to try to "Oliverize" the Quarters, instead of trying to focus more on the people who already live there, and their needs. Where will these people go, when the DINKs and Yuppies in the upscale towers start complaining about them? Riverdale / rivervalley?

    My views are likely very different from those of the community league members. I would not only expand the social support aspects of this area, but also try to make an adult / Bohemian zone, as I have seen such a combination work well in other cities, with plenty of low cost accommodation that attracts not just street people, but also counterculture type students, and similar. Seems to me the puritans are preventing us from seeing an opportunity that other Cities embrace and even turn into tourist zones - with some clever zoning and some tacit "decirimnalization", the City could provide both commercial prospects for some residents and a home for more "edgy" type businesses in the City.

    That is part of the problem I guess - ask two different people on anything, and you will get two different answers. Personally though - I think the focus to date has been more about gentrification, and what residential developers would love to see in this spot with a view, rather than emphasising the needs of the existing community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moahunter View Post
    I think the letter is interesting though, in that it speaks to a broader concern that the priority is to try to "Oliverize" the Quarters, instead of trying to focus more on the people who already live there, and their needs. Where will these people go, when the DINKs and Yuppies in the upscale towers start complaining about them?

    My views are likely very different from those of the community league members. I would not only expand the social support aspects of this area, but also try to make an adult / Bohemian zone, as I have seen such a combination work well in other cities, with plenty of low cost accommodation that attracts not just street people, but also counterculture type students, and similar.

    That is part of the problem I guess - ask two different people on anything, and you will get two different answers. Personally though - I think the focus to date has been more about gentrification, and what residential developers would love to see in this spot with a view, rather than emphasising the needs of the existing community. There may also be an opportunity being missed by the puritans, which would be to provide commercial prospects for some residents and a home for more "edgy" type businesses in the City.
    one of my biggest concerns with the letter is the underlying agenda - it is an agenda that is not "for" anything outside of enough motherhood and apple pie to justify being against anything.

    the letter does not propose any solutions for any of the symptoms it so easily identifies. and none of the underlying problems that create those symptoms arise from the city's plans for the quarters. there has been nothing before those plans were developed that would have precluded addressing those problems and there is nothing in those plans that would preclude it now.

    a city representative at the january meeting pointed out that "the whole boyle renaissance report that is going to city council is currently on the city of edmonton website as well as the plan to end homelessness report" but it is easier to be against something than to support something else even where the something else is specifically meant to achieve the very same stated end.

    the letter says "we want them to have homes" but instead of supporting the above initiatives it ignores them entirely and speaks out against the quarters plans. those plans are not "more about gentrification, and what residential developers would love to see" as you state in your post - those plans are the result of the city trying to address some of the underlying reasons why most of this area has been an anethema to most developers for decades and to try and make an area close to the core a more viable alternative for some of the projects and density that without change will simply not go there. from my perspective, maintaining the empty streets and back alleys and vacant lots and decrepit housing and vacant buildings that make up the quarters today is no solution for homelessness.
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    ^I see your point. Without criticising a specific aspect of the Quarters plan the criticisim (including mine) is to abstract to be valuable. We can talk forever about a personal vision for an area (like the one I suggested), but the Quarters plan is beyond that I guess, to the extent that there is already a proposal in place to direct comments to. They should have instead perhaps come out and said - "I'd like to see another 200 low cost houses here", or "no luxury accomodation there" , or "we like this bit here, make it bigger please", or "another strip club / adult web cam employer there", or whatever it is they really want.
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    Any news as to when the Valleyview project by Vinterra or the 1 Corners Tower by BCM will be starting?

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    ^nothing yet but i have heard they might attempt to go for a LEED rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ^nothing yet but i have heard they might attempt to go for a LEED rating.
    I'm assuming you mean the Vinterra project? Somehow I doubt BCM would even bother...

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    Just wondering if the gentrification that is supposedly going to occur in the area will be in the next couple of years or if we should expect more of a five year time line.

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    ^this is a long term vision/plan... think 10-20 yrs
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    ^Yes but it should start within the next few years. Hopefully Valleyview and the new arena will help kickstart it!!
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    valleyview would be a huge boost as well as the new UCAMA project... but we really need to have a coordinated effort from all fronts to really push it forward and i dont see that happening for a little while longer...
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    i mean look at how long yaletown took/is taking.... and that is with rampant development, huge investment, and water.

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    ^ Although the Concorde Pacific project is now largely finished. Amazing space too. I lived in the second hi-rise from the left overlooking that Marina. The Pacific Concorde purchase was announced in 1988 about two years after Expo. Lots of soil contamination there that took years to straighten out.

    That gray patch in the upper centre/left is actually David Lam park, a soccer pitch. This must be a late fall/winter picture because the grass is far from green here.

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    ^^ Ian: also don't forget that after Expo 86, Vancouver experienced a huge boom of residents and investors from Hong Kong because of handover back to China. They invested a quite a bit into the Expo/Yaletown lands.
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    So has anyone heard anything about the Quarters lately? The only update I've seen is maybe positive or maybe not, but I noticed the other day that the signs about the Quarters have been taken down in the downtown area.
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