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    Default Edmonton Civic Census

    http://www.edmonton.ca/portal/server...census/default

    Census is taking place in Edmonton from April 1 to end of may. Make sure you participate. The people are counted (and the more accurate the count is) the better is our case for funding and other recognition. I secretly hope that we are 953,210 in the city alone, but my actual guess is:

    844,014 people (no one is allowed to guess 1 more or less. that is against the official guessing rules)

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    770 000

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    My guess is 745,000 for the city (about 2%), and about 1,060,000 for Metro Edmonton.

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    metro isn't being counted as far as I can tell. i could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    My guess is 745,000 for the city (about 2%), and about 1,060,000 for Metro Edmonton.
    Just so you know, previous census was done 2 years ago in 2006. the population then was 730,372.

    So 2 % per year for two years is 759,879.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    My guess is 745,000 for the city (about 2%), and about 1,060,000 for Metro Edmonton.
    Just so you know, previous census was done 2 years ago in 2006. the population then was 730,372.

    So 2 % per year for two years is 759,879.

    759,880

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    Quote Originally Posted by grish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Cat View Post
    My guess is 745,000 for the city (about 2%), and about 1,060,000 for Metro Edmonton.
    Just so you know, previous census was done 2 years ago in 2006. the population then was 730,372.

    So 2 % per year for two years is 759,879.
    Well in that case then Grish, I'll say about 758,000 for Edmonton, and about 1,080,000 for Metro Edmonton.

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    800,000
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    lol at someone pulling the price is right low blow. betting one dollar more than the other guy should be a criminal offense.

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    860,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by richardW View Post
    lol at someone pulling the price is right low blow. betting one dollar more than the other guy should be a criminal offense.
    that and socks in sandals.

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    My guesstimate = 768,410

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    755,189

    + 20,000 cats and 15,000 dogs.

    and a partridge in a pear tree.


    1,180, 230 metro.

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    775,000

    =ABOUT 3%/a

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    781,498

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    799,999.99

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    City: 765,000

    Metro: whatever Calgary is, plus 10 thousand!

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    Best educated guess based on the last census numbers, and births, influx from other regions, etc.

    775,372

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    Quote Originally Posted by grish View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by richardW View Post
    lol at someone pulling the price is right low blow. betting one dollar more than the other guy should be a criminal offense.
    that and socks in sandals.
    LOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voice View Post
    City: 765,000

    Metro: whatever Calgary is, plus 10 thousand!
    Same for the city. Metro: whaterver Calgary is, less 10 thousand (not what I want, but what I expect it will be)

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    So, after seeing the "Did We Count You In? " advert in Friday's paper I wonder who else has not seen a Census taker in their neighbourhood or a "Missed you" notice in their mailbox?
    Have you been enumerated?
    If you're like me and have not been counted (before the end of the April), contact 496-8008 to be counted in.
    This is important to you and your city!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    So, after seeing the "Did We Count You In? " advert in Friday's paper I wonder who else has not seen a Census taker in their neighbourhood or a "Missed you" notice in their mailbox?
    Have you been enumerated?
    If you're like me and have not been counted (before the end of the April), contact 496-8008 to be counted in.
    This is important to you and your city!
    we haven't been contacted either. Phoned the number you provided (thanks) and it was a recording that stated enumerators would be out in April, and if we hadn't been contacted by Apr 15th that we leave a message to find out when we would be "counted".

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    I saw a message on the bulletin board in the lobby of my building saying enumerators would be by shortly, but I haven't seen or heard from anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glasshead View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Blueline View Post
    So, after seeing the "Did We Count You In? " advert in Friday's paper I wonder who else has not seen a Census taker in their neighbourhood or a "Missed you" notice in their mailbox?
    Have you been enumerated?
    If you're like me and have not been counted (before the end of the April), contact 496-8008 to be counted in.
    This is important to you and your city!
    we haven't been contacted either. Phoned the number you provided (thanks) and it was a recording that stated enumerators would be out in April, and if we hadn't been contacted by Apr 15th that we leave a message to find out when we would be "counted".
    I got a call back from the city. They said that enumerators will still be out in force until the end of April and if they haven't counted you in or left a "blue note" by then, call the number again and count yourself in.

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    Default Edmonton census backed although costs outweigh grants

    Edmonton census backed although costs outweigh grants
    BY GORDON KENT, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMOCTOBER 21, 2009 9:02 PM

    EDMONTON — Edmonton’s civic politicians want to go ahead with the 2010 census even though the price is likely to be almost four times higher than the extra provincial grant money it will attract.

    The census scheduled to go ahead next April will cost $1.9 million, while the extra provincial police and social services grants if Edmonton’s population goes up by two per cent as projected would total only $521,000, according to a city report.

    It isn’t clear by how much grants for construction and other capital projects would rise, but with staff trying to keep next year’s tax hike to five per cent, city manager Al Maurer recommended Wednesday cancelling next year’s head count.

    Full Story: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/...968/story.html

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    Edmonton sees moderate growth

    Census shows the City’s population grew by 2.5 per cent

    August 31, 2016

    New municipal census information shows almost 900,000 people now call Edmonton home. Between 2014 and 2016, Edmonton's population grew by more than 21,000 people to 899,447 or 2.5 per cent.

    “The impact of the recent economic slowdown and higher unemployment in Alberta and Edmonton is evident in the stable population growth figures recorded over the past two years,” said John Rose, Chief Economist for the City of Edmonton.

    Census results show Edmonton continues to see growth in developing neighbourhoods, especially those in the south, including Windermere, Chappelle, Laurel and Walker.

    “As the city continues to grow, we’re planning for sustainable and resilient infrastructure and services to all neighbourhoods,” said Peter Ohm, Chief Planner with the City’s Sustainable Development Department. “While growth is occurring in developing neighbourhoods, we also want to encourage density in mature and core neighbourhoods to ensure efficient use of infrastructure.”

    “Although we saw more moderate growth these past two years, Edmonton’s population has increased by 117,000 since 2009. When you add to that the growth of neighbouring municipalities, it highlights the need for us to combine our efforts to ensure effective use of land and smart infrastructure planning.” said Mayor Iveson.“We need to work together and leverage our resources as well as those of the provincial and federal governments to ensure an ongoing strong and growing region, one that continues to attract and retain people and investments.”
    Additional census information is being analyzed and will be released this fall. For current information, please visit edmonton.ca/census.

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    Inevitable comparison ...

    2014 to 2016 growth:
    Calgary - 1,195,194 - 1,235,171 - increase of 39,977
    Edmonton - 877,926 - 899,447 - increase of 21, 521

    Though Calgary only increased 4,256 from 2015 to 2016.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spill View Post
    Inevitable comparison ...

    2014 to 2016 growth:
    Calgary - 1,195,194 - 1,235,171 - increase of 39,977
    Edmonton - 877,926 - 899,447 - increase of 21, 521

    Though Calgary only increased 4,256 from 2015 to 2016.
    Are there CMA numbers?

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    2.5% is anything shy of "extreme" but "moderate".

    2.5% is fully reason to bullishly build condo towers, for example. Hey RISE, did you see this?
    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spill View Post
    Inevitable comparison ...

    2014 to 2016 growth:
    Calgary - 1,195,194 - 1,235,171 - increase of 39,977
    Edmonton - 877,926 - 899,447 - increase of 21, 521

    Though Calgary only increased 4,256 from 2015 to 2016.
    A much larger percentage of our growth is in satellite cities. We're likely ahead of Calgary region for that period.
    Let's make Edmonton better.

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    Metro area has been growing at a faster rate and I doubt this has changed . Probably a 4-5% increase in the metro.
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    Wait, did Downtown actually see a drop in the last 2 years?

    2014 shows 13148


    2016 shows 12768

    Oliver likewise shows a drop from 19,135 to 18,123.
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    ^Yes, Oliver, Downtown, Queen Mary Park and Strathcona all saw losses. In fact Strathcona has seen losses since 2012.
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    I wonder if a higher rental percentage is contributing to this as they tend to NOT do censi.
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    ^ but that was the case in 2014 too. The oliver drop seems large. is there really that big an increase in vacancy rate?
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    ^^ wouldn't that be a trend we see across the city ?

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    There was a near-tripling in vacancy between the two censuses in Oliver. 3.56 to 10.42% or roughly a thousand units increase. That'd explain the lost thousand people.
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    I'm surprised at the surprise, the donut has been accelerating for some time, with the consent and encouragement of city policies to continuously approve greenfield, and even look to annex more land for it. When I lived in Glenora, so many families I knew ended up moving out to Riverbend or Windermere, to get a larger place for same money, and to be closer to where all the good new infrastructure was going. While Glenora seems to repopulate (as there will also be some demand for high end single family homes), I think in Oliver and many other inner city and downtown locations where you have more apartments, they won't necessarily refill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Wait, did Downtown actually see a drop in the last 2 years?

    2014 shows 13148


    2016 shows 12768

    Oliver likewise shows a drop from 19,135 to 18,123.
    Wow, Summerside has a higher population than downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodle View Post
    Wait, did Downtown actually see a drop in the last 2 years?

    2014 shows 13148


    2016 shows 12768
    Yet the number of occupied dwellings Downtown actually went up slightly from 8,678 in 2014 to 8,690 in 2016. Did a bunch of families move out to be replaced by singles?

    Could also have to do with the thoroughness and completeness of the count which could have affected not only Downtown but other neighbourhoods that saw large drops in population.

    One of the challenges with conducting the 2016 municipal census was the overlap with the 2016 federal census with data collection for both taking place over the same time period. Will be interesting to compare the results between the two censuses when the federal numbers come out on February 7 next year.

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    Have rents gone up in the city core due to the imminent opening of Rogers Place. Could be a reason why the population dropped.
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    Rents up, incentives up, vacancies way up.

    Oil and oil related things.
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    There is more people moving out of Edmonton than moving in just like Calgary due to deeper recession.
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    Alberta Avenue

    2012: 6,309
    2014: 6,565
    2016: 6,755

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    McCauley

    2012: 4,183
    2014: 5,167
    2016: 4,799

    A lot of the people I talk to in my inner city circles attribute the interesting 2014 numbers to shelter capacity.

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    Maybe some of the decreases in places like Oliver, Queen Mary Park, Strathcona, and Downtown are people snapping up deals in the improving Downtown East neighborhoods? We posted some decent numbers.

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    If there's more occupied units then my guess is that a big part of the decrease is temporary roommates moving out. There's vacancy now, no need to double-bunk.
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    I heard they also used a different protocol this year for how they calculate residences they can't get hold of - 2 people/house, 1 person/apartment or condo. Can anyone confirm this?
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    I think it was done by household but we did the long form online.

    Hmmm:


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