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    Default Ironworks Building(s) - Quarters - redevelopment ideas/thoughts/plans

    A tour of the Ironworks building(s) today. SO much potential, but also a lot of past due.








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    Being within the borders of the Quarters, this building would be fantastic for small art studios, maker spaces, small retail/food. I know that that probably strikes a number of folks here as inappropriate considering what the neighbourhood is currently. Having just returned from 10 days in the Chelsea district in NYC which was/still is an active warehousing and meat packing district, as well as also THE coolest area known for its concentration of art galleries and restros, I feel it would be a vital step in rejuvenating the area.
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    I have been in the building several times in the past and the lack of insulation was a major issue. Even 20 and 30 years ago, the building was in disrepair.
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    Did you get a look into the office space above Edmonton Supply?
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    I did indeed... nothing special or perhaps even salvageable.
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    or this:

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    ...you are going to need 10,000 additional people in that area before that can work, but I like it.
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    Great examples to emulate!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prairie Boy View Post
    Great examples to emulate!
    Yes, for sure. I looked on Google Maps... wow, nothing but parking lots and derelict buildings. COE has a long way to go before Boyle Street is turned into The Quarters.

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    ^ stop speaking about reality. It gets IanO depressed...
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    The city should offer tax incentives.

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    ...and double yours to pay for it.
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    Plenty of cities do this for blighted areas.

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    We are doing a lot already in many areas of the city.
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    There is an active CRL in the area as we speak...
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    Is than a CRL for the Quarters or Boyle street?
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    As I thought. The building is NOT in the Quarters.

    You have incorrectly titled this thread.
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    Tis within The Quarters CRL boundary and for all intents and purposes it is.
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    Didn't the COE try to expropriate this land a few years ago? Whatever became of that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Tis within The Quarters CRL boundary and for all intents and purposes it is.

    Come again?

    The boundary for the Quarters on the northern edge is the south side of 103A Ave. The building is north of 104th Ave. That is definitely outside the boundary by over a block (~150 meters). This is called scope or project creep. There is either a boundary for this project scope or there isn't.

    BTW, the Remand Center is not in the Quarters either.


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    The CRL encompasses the site, "Boyle Renaissance" but that is for tax purposes and said funds are to be used in the Quarters proper.

    The Community Revitalization Levy (“CRL”) provides a funding mechanism necessary to enable the City toembark on the Plan. The CRL provides a means to segregate the increases in property tax revenues in the
    Plan area that result from increased assessments due to redevelopment into a fund that will be used to
    repay the upfront investment in new infrastructure. The taxes levied under the CRL Bylaw would in effect
    replace the municipal and provincial portions of the property tax at the same rate that would be charged
    throughout the City. The end result is that improvements in the Plan area are largely self-funded with
    limited additional tax burden on the balance of the City. At the end of the 20 year CRL period, the
    amounts charged under the CRL Bylaw would flow into the general revenues of the City and the Province.
    Edmonton Iron Works—10415 96 Street is not on the inventory of Historic Resources in Edmonton, but are of historical interest
    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/PD...Plan_15800.pdf

    Maybe the correct title of the thread should be "Ironworks Building(s) - Quarters Boyle Renaissance- redevelopment ideas/thoughts/plans"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Tis within The Quarters CRL boundary and for all intents and purposes it is.

    Come again?

    The boundary for the Quarters on the northern edge is the south side of 103A Ave. The building is north of 104th Ave. That is definitely outside the boundary by over a block (~150 meters). This is called scope or project creep. There is either a boundary for this project scope or there isn't.

    BTW, the Remand Center is not in the Quarters either.


    Correct me if I am wrong

    The CRL encompasses the site, "Boyle Renaissance" but that is for tax purposes and said funds are to be used in the Quarters proper.

    The Community Revitalization Levy (“CRL”) provides a funding mechanism necessary to enable the City toembark on the Plan. The CRL provides a means to segregate the increases in property tax revenues in the
    Plan area that result from increased assessments due to redevelopment into a fund that will be used to
    repay the upfront investment in new infrastructure. The taxes levied under the CRL Bylaw would in effect
    replace the municipal and provincial portions of the property tax at the same rate that would be charged
    throughout the City. The end result is that improvements in the Plan area are largely self-funded with
    limited additional tax burden on the balance of the City. At the end of the 20 year CRL period, the
    amounts charged under the CRL Bylaw would flow into the general revenues of the City and the Province.
    Edmonton Iron Works—10415 96 Street is not on the inventory of Historic Resources in Edmonton, but are of historical interest
    https://www.edmonton.ca/documents/PD...Plan_15800.pdf

    Maybe the correct title of the thread should be "Ironworks Building(s) - Quarters Boyle Renaissance- redevelopment ideas/thoughts/plans"
    It's within the Quarters CRL Boundary.

    What does it matter anyways if it's a block over from some arbitrary official Quarters boundary. It doesn't.

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    The key thing here is that it is INCLUDED in the redevelopment plans of the area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesL View Post
    Didn't the COE try to expropriate this land a few years ago? Whatever became of that?
    The Province intervened as the previous owner wanted to demolish. The City now owns it (I believe) and wants to get creative. The Province has indicated that it will seek heritage designation IF anyone tries to demolish or significantly alter it.
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    A few more photos from yesterday's tour:








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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    We are doing a lot already in many areas of the city.
    Have you seen this neighborhood? It is the worst out of whatever examples you have in your mind.

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    ^ Yes, this part of downtown is the worst part of the city by a wide margin. Neglected for decades, a social services dumping ground, rife with disorder associated with the marginalized population that's been pushed there, it'll take a lot more than some hipster "food hall" or craft beer market to drive anyone to that area.

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    Was it the York hotel just on the corner there?
    Who knew that a bar right across from Police HQ and Fire Hall #1 would be the sketchiest dive in town...

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Was it the York hotel just on the corner there?
    Who knew that a bar right across from Police HQ and Fire Hall #1 would be the sketchiest dive in town...
    Yep. I believe that was demolished in 2011ish? The large 'no knives" sign was an area staple prior to being torn down.
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    What was the name of the other seedy bar on the other corner, the one at 103A Ave and 96th street, SW corner? Directly south of the police HQ
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    ^ Mount Royal next to Double Greeting?

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    Killer Mount Royal...in the hotel. Looking backnowledged to that wow lol!
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