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    Performer schedules are coming out and guess what?!

    Snowbirds are back!
    https://www.facebook.com/CFSnowbirds...type=3&theater

    CF-18 Demo Team is coming!!
    https://www.facebook.com/CF18Demo

    And...

    A-10C Demo Team from Arizona is coming!!!
    https://www.facebook.com/A10DemoTeam...type=3&theater
    https://www.acc.af.mil/Home/Aerial-Events/A10DemoTeam/


    This is going to be a great show.

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    Are you kidding me??? This is going to be fantastic! Ramp up the food trucks and beer tents! This has the makings of an epic event. Well done!
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    Awesome! A-10!!!!
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    More announcements to come...
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    Expeli-shortrunway!

    From Abbotsford 2018 ...

    A-10 Warthog / Thunderbolt II







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    All,

    I still have the early bird ticket sales online. http://www.edmontonairshow.com. There was an e-mail, Facebook, Instagram, and press release sent a couple weeks ago to people who left their information for us last year, and uptake is good, but the sale ends January 7.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spill View Post
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    From Abbotsford 2018 ...

    A-10 Warthog / Thunderbolt II



    ...if you go to the Facebook Page of the airshow, you'll see this demo team is bringing a friend...a choice of 1 of 3. Either a P51, F4U, or F-86 is coming for a heritage flight. Feel free to comment your choice on the Facebook or Instagram page.
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    Update.

    We're working on an entirely new web presence, as well as major long term announcement for 2019+. I hope to have this launched by mid March.

    We've received a ton of requests by the USN and the USMC to attend, as well as over 5 USAF/National Guard Hercs want to attend. I won't say which ones...but I can tell you that these won't be seen anywhere else in AB this year, or possibly in Western Canada. Oh, and 2 of these Hercs are carrying some cool cargo...

    The Alaskans want to come back. The helicopters want to make up for last year.

    We have several warbirds that are fighting to attend. I am looking for a way to get them all here. The best thing is that most of these planes offer rides. So, if you know of a company/companies that want to have their brand associated with a B-25, B-17, F4U, P-51, P-40, C-47, etc., please send them to [email protected] . Exclusivity, rides, and media appearances are a part of the package...

    AS I've mentioned before, this is not just an airshow, and we are working on 2 key deliverables that took major steps forward today.

    The first is including the myriad of services, personnel, and capabilities of the Edmonton Garrison and showcasing them at the site. We are working through details of what can come, and making sure it fits the schedule. The key this year is to offer a presence that we can build on. I am very excited at the extremely positive response I received today from the base.

    The second is the Career/Job fair. We are tentatively calling it Showcase 2019. This is intended to be a career fair for youth looking to enter into the aerospace and defense world, and also be a recruiting/job fair for those skilled enough to become employed. We have positive interest from several companies and manufacturers, with some bringing assets to the static line. Our goal is 40 employers to be at the fair. Look for those announcements coming up soon.

    ...and I am off on a business trip next week to our proposed US partner...hopefully we can ink a great deal that will bring even more, and faster, planes to our event!

    In short, I am well on my way to helping reinvigorate the old business plan I have of creating an Aerospace Centre of Excellence in Edmonton. I'm just hoping other partners like the City of Edmonton can now find it worthy to get on board. A small group of people have created a show big enough to attract manufacturers, get constantly solicited by US and other foreign assets to attend, and has put Edmonton back on the aviation map. Not bad if I do say so myself...
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    ^ Suuuh-weet. Fantastic update with hints of great things yet to come. Not bad if I say so, too.

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    Fantastic to hear. People of the region thank you for this hard work.

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    BRRRRRRT

    5 Hercs!? Some people are going to lose their minds!

    Elephant walk?

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    happy to break the sabbatical for this one RichardS...

    (a) this is important for the region as a business generator/cluster and not simply as entertainment as fabulous as the entertainment can/will be.

    (b) no one has worked harder or been more committed to making this a success than you have. you’ve earned a home run on this file and you deserve to be recognized for it in quarters that have ignored its potential for too long.

    good luck with the ticket sales and additional sponsorship it deserves getting over the finish line.
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    This great to hear, hope continued success and looking forward to the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post
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    5 Hercs!? Some people are going to lose their minds!

    Elephant walk?
    Ha, yeah, 5 would be a lot. I think I may be a bit choosey, but there are 2 of the USAF ones I'd love to see, and the Alaska NG guys as well...

    I'd love an elephant walk, but that may be a bit hard...
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    Thanks for the kind words all...it is appreciated.

    We are looking to seriously ramp this up, but any words of support you can send to your local city councillor or MLA would be great. They still seem to be stuck in regional politics in some areas, and I'd like to make this one of the top 10 shows in North America. That means a heck of a lot more work...
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    A10 -F35 would be nice not sure why we need 5 hercs though tbh

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    We have an A-10C coming...it will have friends...

    Like I said, I will be a bit choosey, but there are several vairants of the C-130 out there. It is one of the most utilized aircraft in the USAF/RCAF. Search and rescue, troop and VIP transport, cargo, gunship, aerial refuelling...

    F-35..had one on the way last year...politics and smoke got in the way...working on that for the future...
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    Well, I returned from Reno with a new deal in hand. I will explain more once I get some final details ironed out, but Edmonton could be the site of a global event...

    The nice thing is that since we pulled off 2018 despite a ton of adversity, we've won the respect of many of our peers in the US. I am currently oversubscribed for potential visitors, but that is only because Villeneuve can hold only so much in its current configuration. Like I hinted at above, it was smoke that got in our way, politically and physically. I currently have a waiting list of both civilian performers and military statics...which is a nice thing to have considering we only started in 2015 after a 20+ year absence. Some of the statics on offer, like a KC-10, B52, and a C5, we just can't fit at CZVL. However, some of the rotary wing options are super cool...more on that later.

    Now, to get the region to finally take notice and understand what they have here...
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    ...you were mentioning that last time we chatted
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Some of the statics on offer, like a KC-10, B52, and a C5, we just can't fit at CZVL. However, some of the rotary wing options are super cool...more on that later.

    Now, to get the region to finally take notice and understand what they have here...

    KC-10? B-52?? C5??? <drool>

    This is incredible!
    The Edmonton business community better be stepping up with some corporate sponsorship!

    Great Big Birds want to come and play at little old Villeneuve. I'm impressed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    ...you were mentioning that last time we chatted
    Yup...and we're still on hold...er...ignore...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    (…)This is going to be fantastic! Ramp up the food trucks and beer tents! (…)
    I'd like to get some feedback on the food trucks. One of the biggest issues we've run into is the long food lines at some vendors. If you have some feedback on this, feel free to post it here or on the Edmonton Airshow Facebook page.
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    More food trucks and more beer tents!
    But in all seriousness, you may want to contact other festivals and event organizers for their feedback. I would start with What The Truck, Taste of Edmonton, Heritage Festival, Folk Fest, Cariwest and The Fringe, then take it from there.
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    Thanks. They have a slightly different model, and I am looking at servicing 50-60,000 people with no other options - we're an enclosed and remote site. Heritage, Fringe, Cariwest have options nearby to deal with volumes.

    WTT is all about the trucks. At the Airshow, we need a few vendors that have 30-40 second turns.
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    I would like to send out a Thank You to the Government of Alberta - Ministry of Culture and Tourism for supporting the Edmonton Airshow, and our future announcements, with grant funding in 2019 via the Community Investment Program. A formal announcement will come, but I just received the letter this evening.

    Thank you Minister Miranda for your and your team's support. We will not disappoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    (…)This is going to be fantastic! Ramp up the food trucks and beer tents! (…)
    I'd like to get some feedback on the food trucks. One of the biggest issues we've run into is the long food lines at some vendors. If you have some feedback on this, feel free to post it here or on the Edmonton Airshow Facebook page.

    I stood in line 1.75 hours for a food truck at the Airshow.

    Unacceptable.

    There have never been enough food trucks at the airshow and none of the operators are prepared for the onslaught.

    I saw a truck run out and close by lunch.

    Need a dedicated area where someone is churning out burgers and dogs, grab and go, 1 minute in and out and don't let up.

    Call Calgary's trucks. I'm sure they would come.

    I wonder if every M&M Meats would bring their barbeques and cook? 14 stores in the Edmonton area.
    With Cobbs Bread for buns. 13 stores in the Edmonton area
    And French's Ketchup and Mustard and Relish.
    Talk about corporate promotion!
    Say, they do that for charities and not-for-profits. What about the Air Cadet League AB Provincial Committee? Talk about an "air force" of volunteers needed.

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    What about making a call to all those lunch trucks that make their rounds through industrial parks all over the city? They probably could use the weekend work. They carry hot food, cold food, snacks and drinks. They turn customers in 20 or 30 seconds and a dozen of them would feed a lot of people.



    There are food trucks that travel from city to city for BBQ festivals and the like. Must be a way to invite them.

    Maybe the Red Cross or church groups could get involved as a fund raiser.

    I recall a Church group handing out free water at one of the car racing events years ago. They got thrown out when vendors complained that it was hurting their sales of 25 cent bottle water that they were fleecing hot customers with $3.50 prices.

    The Church group left and went outside the fence and just threw the bottles over the fence to grateful people.
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    Airplane themed BBQs!!!


    Make the wait worthwhile. Fun, funny, entertaining, novel...



    Maybe have Jetdogs, Biplane Burgers (double paddy with something between or biplane frankflyer - a weiner with a hotdog bun on sideways), Bushpilot Pemmican...


    A food lineup tent(s) with videos playing (aircraft history, etc.)
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    Alberta beef or pork sponsored BBQ with a giant BBQ (great smell) and simple... pulled pork or a burger or sausage, add a bun, customer condiments, done.
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    Have food airlifted to the site as part of the show.
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    MREs dropped from a C-130!
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    Just don't do what these guys did... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p00nBSNIPwg
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    ^Classic WKRP turkey sketch.

    In Alberta we air drop live hefers. ..

    C-130 Pinata full of candy...
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC View Post
    Airplane themed BBQs!!!


    Make the wait worthwhile. Fun, funny, entertaining, novel...



    Maybe have Jetdogs, Biplane Burgers (double paddy with something between or biplane frankflyer - a weiner with a hotdog bun on sideways), Bushpilot Pemmican...


    A food lineup tent(s) with videos playing (aircraft history, etc.)

    Hmmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Jackson View Post


    I stood in line 1.75 hours for a food truck at the Airshow.

    Unacceptable.

    There have never been enough food trucks at the airshow and none of the operators are prepared for the onslaught.

    I saw a truck run out and close by lunch.

    Need a dedicated area where someone is churning out burgers and dogs, grab and go, 1 minute in and out and don't let up.

    (…)
    This is the most common complaint, and I witnessed the lines myself. Now that I own the show outright, I am determined to fix this issue. The balance is between the admittedly interesting and unique offerings food trucks bring vs the volumes needed.
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    You see these bbqs at Canadian Tire raising funds for Scouts or whatnot. Get a group of these and it would augment the service.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    I would like to send out a Thank You to the Government of Alberta - Ministry of Culture and Tourism for supporting the Edmonton Airshow, and our future announcements, with grant funding in 2019 via the Community Investment Program. A formal announcement will come, but I just received the letter this evening.

    Thank you Minister Miranda for your and your team's support. We will not disappoint.
    congratulations on securing provincial recognition and support for what the airshow can bring to Edmonton, to the region and to the province.

    as for feeding the throngs:

    https://www.johnsonville.com/bigtastegrill/about.html

    maybe they could even bring a couple xfinity series cars for the static line and/or for some runway/track demos?

    or how about one of those monster outdoor griddles uses for stampede pancake breakfasts etc. and offer an "all day breakfast" of pancakes/eggs/sausages/toast?
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    ^ I need that grill for my backyard pool parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    You see these bbqs at Canadian Tire raising funds for Scouts or whatnot. Get a group of these and it would augment the service.
    i think the difficulty with them - and with the food trucks - is they prep/cooking time and the limited customer count they can cycle per cycle. they can prep/cook/serve for maybe 20 easily enough with a short turnaround time but the next 20 need another ten minutes to cycle and that's where they fall down and the lines and wait times become excruciatingly long. maybe if you had 20 or more of them serving the same menu items and they were working and serving as a group you could overcome that but without that it would be a repeat of previous year's failings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    ^ I need that grill for my backyard pool parties.
    i'm pretty sure it was here at least one year during the indy and was pretty popular/well attended/successful. it might be cool at one of your pool parties but you might be short 25,000 guests or so to make it worth their showing up.

    you see their product in save-on's coolers (and probably other grocer's as well) so maybe there's an opportunity for some joint marketing/sponsorship to bring it here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    You see these bbqs at Canadian Tire raising funds for Scouts or whatnot. Get a group of these and it would augment the service.
    i think the difficulty with them - and with the food trucks - is they prep/cooking time and the limited customer count they can cycle per cycle. they can prep/cook/serve for maybe 20 easily enough with a short turnaround time but the next 20 need another ten minutes to cycle and that's where they fall down and the lines and wait times become excruciatingly long. maybe if you had 20 or more of them serving the same menu items and they were working and serving as a group you could overcome that but without that it would be a repeat of previous year's failings.
    We are not talking about one bbq grill. Four large grills like these can continously feed a large crowd. You can rent them


    Maybe contact a couple of bbq stores or Trail Appliances and see if they want to use the event to promote their stores. If I had a bbq equipment store I would supply the equipment and staff and make a handsome profit on the food and drinks and promote my store to the hilt.
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    Whatever you do, book the weather for the airshow now. Don't wait.
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    Given the rural location, maybe a 4-H group or two would want to get involved to raise funds.
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    Thanks. They would have to scale up pretty large to keep up with demand.

    I'm trying to find that balance between the multi-item food truck and the "taste of Edmonton" system of 1-2 items per vendor. One issue as Ken rightly pointed out is that food trucks have an expectation to produce quality over quantity...and that leads to longer prep times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    I would like to send out a Thank You to the Government of Alberta - Ministry of Culture and Tourism for supporting the Edmonton Airshow, and our future announcements, with grant funding in 2019 via the Community Investment Program. A formal announcement will come, but I just received the letter this evening.

    Thank you Minister Miranda for your and your team's support. We will not disappoint.
    congratulations on securing provincial recognition and support for what the airshow can bring to Edmonton, to the region and to the province.

    (…)
    Thanks! You know full well how hard this was...too urban to be rural. Too rural to be urban. Not ec-dev enough, but not touristy enough...we kind of fell through the cracks. We've seen enough disappointment to last a lifetime, so a congrats from you my friend means a lot.

    It took a rather lengthy application and further phone calls and explanations, but I think we made a breakthrough. Surviving the horror of last year and still putting on a well-received show gave us some credit. We finally have some seed capital to put on a show that rivals many in the continent. We still need to raise more capital, but with this vote of confidence and belief that we've planned to be here for the long term (the plan submitted was 20 years in horizon), it was nice to finally see a yes!
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    I would suggest calling Fat Frank's and getting them to see if any of the lunch time cart guys want to put in some BV extra time.

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    We've had a couple carts.
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    As a airshow attendee and not to downplay any and all of your efforts to this point and in the future Richard, but the fact there is healthy discussion about adequate or less than food options etc. bodes well for this event. Well done.
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    Wow! Great suggestions.

    I forgot about Alberta Beef and Alberta Pork. Talk about Agriculture and Ec.Dev. Maybe they would sponsor a crop duster too? Wonder if the Potatoe Growers of Alberta would make chips/fries?


    I've seen that Johnsonville Big Taste Grill at the Eskimos Games.
    https://www.johnsonville.com/bigtastegrill/about.html

    As luck would have it, there is an Eskimos Game on August 16. Big opportunity for Johnsonville to promote at two big events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    As a airshow attendee and not to downplay any and all of your efforts to this point and in the future Richard, but the fact there is healthy discussion about adequate or less than food options etc. bodes well for this event. Well done.

    I take all this as a healthy and positive discussion. Food trucks have been a huge sore point for me as Exec Director. Now that I have the whole show, I am determined to fix this issue. It is, by far, the #1 irritant received when I look at the historic feedback.

    I like the eclectic food options, but the long lines are not cool. I've been told off by a couple of vendors as I asked for something faster, but they seem to not get it that it is my brand that gets the complaints (and the negativity). If they want to come back this year, things have to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    As a airshow attendee and not to downplay any and all of your efforts to this point and in the future Richard, but the fact there is healthy discussion about adequate or less than food options etc. bodes well for this event. Well done.

    I take all this as a healthy and positive discussion. Food trucks have been a huge sore point for me as Exec Director. Now that I have the whole show, I am determined to fix this issue. It is, by far, the #1 irritant received when I look at the historic feedback.

    I like the eclectic food options, but the long lines are not cool. I've been told off by a couple of vendors as I asked for something faster, but they seem to not get it that it is my brand that gets the complaints (and the negativity). If they want to come back this year, things have to change.
    Years ago, after regularly getting stalled in traffic because of thoughtless construction signage near the UofA, I sent a suggestion to the City that road work contractors should have to prominently display their corporate name. The City takes the heat and the private guys get the contract through their lowest cost bids. So some contractor and some City bean counter comes out ahead by keeping costs low while the City’s brand and the public get to be the big losers.
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    Given the remote-ish location, can you really rely much on food trucks?

    I just checked out your website, understanding you are just getting started.
    * Your map is not zoomable (a screen-snap I think), so it looks like it might as well be in Outer Nowhere. A proper Google Maps insert would let people know where it is in the world without going to Google Maps.
    * Do you use volunteers? Staff?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bpeters View Post
    As a airshow attendee and not to downplay any and all of your efforts to this point and in the future Richard, but the fact there is healthy discussion about adequate or less than food options etc. bodes well for this event. Well done.

    I take all this as a healthy and positive discussion. Food trucks have been a huge sore point for me as Exec Director. Now that I have the whole show, I am determined to fix this issue. It is, by far, the #1 irritant received when I look at the historic feedback.

    I like the eclectic food options, but the long lines are not cool. I've been told off by a couple of vendors as I asked for something faster, but they seem to not get it that it is my brand that gets the complaints (and the negativity). If they want to come back this year, things have to change.
    I agree with you here. Eclectic is nice and I like options from the food truck fraternity but it can become too boujee. Rarely will they make a modification to their menu to suit an event. Pick one or two items that you specialize in and pound them out.
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    Night airshow attraction? Biplane shoots laser show, fireworks and pyrotechnics show that amazes spectators.



    This laser-firing, firework-shooting plane is the craziest thing you’ll see all week

    http://flip.it/0OcoVp

    Cool!

    Way better than any F-35!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Given the remote-ish location, can you really rely much on food trucks?

    I just checked out your website, understanding you are just getting started.
    * Your map is not zoomable (a screen-snap I think), so it looks like it might as well be in Outer Nowhere. A proper Google Maps insert would let people know where it is in the world without going to Google Maps.
    * Do you use volunteers? Staff?

    Website is under a large revamp. The launch is expected this week.

    Yes, we use volunteers for some specific jobs. Staff on key ones as insurance, regulations, and our permits demand experts in some fields.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmonton PRT View Post
    Night airshow attraction? Biplane shoots laser show, fireworks and pyrotechnics show that amazes spectators.

    (…)
    We've looked at a twilight and evening show, but twilight doesn't start until around 2130hrs, nautical around 2230hrs, and then dark is 2330hrs or later. For kids, it is late. For performers that have to fly Saturday, the duty day is too long and the rest period is too short.


    It would have to be a separate ticket, separate acts, separate costs, etc. We're still looking at it, but until some more things launch to get more out of town visitors here, it appears that a twilight show would not go over well. I know I'd love to host one...
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    If you want to rebrand the Edmonton Airshow, how about the Alberta Capital Region Airshow?

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    How about taking a cue from Elon Musk and call it the

    Big Falcon Airshow

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    Thanks for the link Foolworm!

    LOL . Capital Region...

    The rebranding would happen given the larger scope and draw. The name Edmonton Airshow was originally given due to the desire not to have the Capital Region blah blah, and no one knew where Villeneuve was at the time. People know Edmonton. We avoided calling it the Edmonton International Airshow due to the confusion of location. Everyone would think YEG. This doesn't mean Edmonton is dropped from the name, it means the word "airshow" will probably be the first to drop...because this was always scoped to be much more.

    ...like the industry and career fair we're activating this year...phase 1 of another 3 year plan.

    I was in meetings with various municipalities, and they are in agreement that if we want a more national scope, and even International, we may want to look at something more. Even meetings today at the Federal level , the question of rebranding does came up. Do we call it Alberta something something or Canadian something something is also a thought...although Something Something Dark Side sounds fun...
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    PS...I still hold the http://www.albertainternationalairshow.com domain...but that one seems a bit tired. Lethbridge called itself that. So did Cold Lake at one time.
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    Why not encourage people to bring a picnic? Usually outside food is not allowed at big events, but if food service is your biggest concern, maybe its something to think about? Even if only 25% of guests bring their own food, that would make a big difference. I can't tell what the hours are of the show. I would assume it's something like 9-5. If it's less than that can you shift it back so it doesn't overlap lunch? Many will eat beforehand then.

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    TBH, we've allowed picnics since day 1 given the remote location. The upper tier tickets have food included, but for general admission we've always allowed families to bring their own sandwiches etc.
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    Can we get an AC130H??

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    TBH, we've allowed picnics since day 1 given the remote location. The upper tier tickets have food included, but for general admission we've always allowed families to bring their own sandwiches etc.

    Can we purchase tickets now, Richard? sorry, i couldn't see in the link

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    We are revamping the website, however I have asked our host to launch the ticket site tonight. I will let you know when that is up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Magnus View Post
    Can we get an AC130H??

    No comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    We are revamping the website, however I have asked our host to launch the ticket site tonight. I will let you know when that is up.
    Great! Thanks..I'd like to surprise my husband with tickets..

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    So, I take it he doesn't frequent the forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    So, I take it he doesn't frequent the forum?

    He's read a thread or two.lol

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    Maybe this?

    This Laser Shooting, Fireworks Blasting Air Show Finale is Bonkers

    https://twistedsifter.com/videos/las...le-is-bonkers/
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    PRT brought that one up back at post #56.
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    2 quick announcements.

    1.

    After a thorough RFP selection process, we have changed our catering team to Elizabethan Catering of Spruce Grove. Elizabethan is a well-respected company, and was involved in the Edmonton Airshows at CYEG. Additionally, their principles were heavy fans of Farnborough, which is one of our goal shows to emulate. They have some excellent offerings for the Premium Lounge and other lounges/gardens on site.

    We like to thank the Sawmill for providing the services the previous 4 years. They were excellent partners.

    2.

    The Edmonton Airshow is please to announce that Imperial Oil of Canada is partnering with us to bring JacquieB Airshows back to Edmonton. Additionally, they will be utilizing her for their Women's Interest Network program - an inspirational and aspirational program at the Strathcona refinery and throughout the Imperial network. Their sessions are well attended by both men and women. This session is planned to be broadcast live throughout the company. Other visits are planned, but I would like to thank the fine people at Imperial Oil for partnering with us, and for making JacquieB their advocate to show that anyone, anytime, can succeed!
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    That's great Richard..thank you..
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    I'm hearing this news article has sent a jolt throughout the Edmonton community:
    https://www.skiesmag.com/news/edmont...c-development/

    Wow!
    Snowbirds
    CF-18
    A-10
    JackieB
    de Havilland DH-115 Vampire
    Air Race Demo
    aviation and aerospace career fair

    This is going to be a great show! I bet there is more that hasn't been announced yet.

    Wonder if Edmonton Transit will offer park and ride service?

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    I have my tickets! Thanks Richard..
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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishAtomic View Post
    I'm hearing this news article has sent a jolt throughout the Edmonton community:
    https://www.skiesmag.com/news/edmont...c-development/

    Wow!
    Snowbirds
    CF-18
    A-10
    JackieB
    de Havilland DH-115 Vampire
    Air Race Demo
    aviation and aerospace career fair

    This is going to be a great show! I bet there is more that hasn't been announced yet.

    Wonder if Edmonton Transit will offer park and ride service?
    Have they offered park and ride before? That would be great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    As always Rich, let me know how we can help navigating some of that COE/EEDC/Tourism stuff.
    Is there an upcoming DBA luncheon I can speak at? I'd send out the key messages documents, but without context, it may not translate well. Otherwise, simple lobbying for this event to at least get more than a casual glance would be nice. I am working with 4 councillors and am getting no traction.

    If Edmonton doesn't want this, then OK. Just come out and say it.
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    I meet with the CSA on Friday to solidify timings, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    I meet with the CSA on Friday to solidify timings, etc.
    Oh good, I'll check online..thanks Richard.
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    Air racing will be a blast!
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    https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/like-nas...show-1.4454949

    Like NASCAR in the sky: Air racing could be coming to 2019 Edmonton Air Show

    Published Thursday, June 6, 2019 11:50AM MDT
    Last Updated Friday, June 7, 2019 1:57PM MDT

    Fast-paced plane racing could be on its way to the Villeneuve Airport as part of this year’s Edmonton Air Show.
    Spokesperson Dean Heuman confirms show organizers are “going through additional reviews with Transport Canada and others” seeking approval to host a demonstration race at the show this summer. If all goes well, it could lead to a competitive race in 2020.
    But it's not for sure.


    “We are working in lockstep with key stakeholders such as Edmonton Airports and Transport Canada, but this is not approved yet," air show president Richard Skermer told CTV News in an email.
    "I will not rush this. I firmly believe in start right, run right, and if I have to delay this until another time, I will. Safety and alignment are paramount.”
    Scott Holmes is a pilot with Outlaw Air Racing based in Edmonton. He has raced all over the world.
    “It’s exactly like NASCAR, except in the air at 50 feet, and a little bit faster,” Holmes told CTV News Edmonton in a 2017 interview about the sport of air racing. “Oh you’re chasing each other, it’s aggressive formation flying.”
    Air racing involves eight specialty planes flying on a five-kilometre course marked on the ground, sometimes by telephone poles. Planes reach speeds of about 400 km/h, often just metres from the ground.
    “If you fly up high, you can’t see the telephone poles in close, so then you end up flying a wider course, and a wider course is a slower course,” Holmes said.

    Air race would be a Canadian first

    Holmes plans to race at the U.S. National Championship Air Races in Reno, Nev. this September, an event put on by the Reno Air Race Association.
    Currently Reno is the only place in North America that meets the requirements to host multi-class closed course pylon racing, unless the Edmonton Air Show gets approval.
    “I would like to expand air racing,” Fred Telling, chairman and CEO with RARA, told CTV News.
    “I have more sport pilots in America who are certified to race than we can accommodate.”
    High-performance airplane racing has gained popularity in recent years thanks in part to Red Bull Air Racing that began in 2003. Red Bull recently announced 2019 will be the final season for the races.
    Telling believes the brand of race that could come to Edmonton is more exciting.
    “That’s highly skilled, aerobatic pilots racing around pylons, but each racing singly and against the clock. Our racing is multiple planes literally against each other.”
    An announcement regarding air racing at this summer’s show is expected in the next few weeks.
    The Edmonton Air Show goes Aug. 17 and 18 at the Villeneuve Airport.


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    Speaking of NASCAR, NASCAR Pinty's Series Alberta race is July 27 at Edmonton International Raceway in Wetaskiwin. Could be good to put up some posters there or something.

    https://hometracks.nascar.com/2019/0...ule-announced/
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    I moved the posts on airshow support here. There are two threads, but if I consolidate, it will be just a jumble.
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    Thank you to MNP LLP out of Calgary for being the latest to partner with the Airshow. It is appreciated at how Province-wide this is becoming.
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    I was doing some work-Inbox cleaning and was reminded that Edmonton has a rocket company: Space Engine Systems (https://www.spaceenginesystems.com). They claim to have attended the 2018 Farnborough International Airshow so maybe they'd want to show some of their stuff at this show.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    I was doing some work-Inbox cleaning and was reminded that Edmonton has a rocket company: Space Engine Systems (https://www.spaceenginesystems.com). They claim to have attended the 2018 Farnborough International Airshow so maybe they'd want to show some of their stuff at this show.
    Especially since they attend other airshows albeit much larger. https://www.spaceenginesystems.com/news.html

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    The Career/Trade fair team has reched out to them, I will look to see if they signed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardS View Post
    The Career/Trade fair team has reched out to them, I will look to see if they signed up.
    We saw you on global, looking dashing I might add.
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    I need a new suit jacket...the fat makes me look fat...

    Park and ride is minor compared to the other concern. I received a call from one of the councillors yesterday, and he plainly said that Edmonton won't play. To his credit, he did try and was genuinely perplexed about how this is working out.

    It is one of the reasons why we delayed the air racing until 2020 (made that decision yesterday). Plus, we ran into a political issue 4 weeks ago, and by the time everyone came to the table, it was too late.

    I want the racing to look "eye wateringly" good. I won't do it half-arsed.

    That said, we are launching a founders campaign at the show this year. Also, I am working on a charter to the Reno Air Race so people can see exactly what I am talking about...and also understand how Reno can generate $94M in economic impact in a town of ~400K metro.

    65-70-% out of town. Staying 5.5 days. Spending 11.9M on hotels, 24M on transportation...etc...

    Considering Edmonton does not want to back that, I have to look at staging this until the region can catch up with hotels, etc. We are even looking at charters out of Springbank and Red Deer so we can use their hotels. They seem to want to step up...
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    To be fair, Reno attracts a lot of those people for reasons other than the air racing. Just like Vegas gets a lot of people for auto racing. If it weren't for the casinos, they probably wouldn't attract those sorts of numbers.

    So what can attract people to Edmonton besides an airshow, of which there are many across the continent?

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    Lightbulb

    From the launch press conference

    Thank you, Dean, for the introduction. Thank you Mayor Hnatiw and Traci for coming today and thank you to the River Cree and the Enoch Cree Nation for hosting this conference.

    My name is Richard Skermer, and I am the founder and President of the Edmonton Airshow.

    We are in our 5th year, but it is prudent to take a moment to reflect on how we got here.

    This event was born out of a desire to have a positive conversation in the region around the future of aviation, and our economic future as well. In 2010-2013, the Capital was transitioning from a 60+ year debate over aviation and real estate. However, during that conversation, a lot of good things were overshadowed. Aviation has made many contributions to our region, its growth, and the reason for being the economic centre it is today. Any transition needs to be a celebratory one, and looking back at the successes of the CFB Namao shows, an Airshow is the best way to do so. Indeed, I often say that the only airshow I compete with is the Ghost of CFB Namao.

    Working with partners such as EIA, Sturgeon County, Focus Communication, and Primavera Developments to get the initial concept up and running. We wanted this to be a future focused occasion, focusing on new technologies and a path forward. We wanted to be respectful of the past, yet not dwell on it. We’ve successfully achieved that goal. The Airshow attracts families, its key demographic is 34-44 year olds, we are split evenly between men and women, and we are garnering international recognition and attention year over year.

    Since 2015, our first 3 years was about getting the logistics of an airshow under control. However, that was not the end goal, for the airshow is not just an airshow. Our long-term focus is looking to how we can take the excitement of aviation and translate it into an economic diversification and opportunity generating endeavour. While it is true that there is a worldwide pilot shortage, the opportunities are far deeper than that. Yes, companies like Boeing have indicated that we need 83 new commercial pilots a day for the next several years to meet global demand, the need to have Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, logisticians, and other services is also greater. That is why we are looking at integrating the event into Provincial growth strategies and augment Alberta’s historic positive vibe and dogged determination to succeed. This is why we partner with forward thinking companies like Villeneuve’s Synergy Aviation to think outside the norms, to push boundaries, and show what we can, and will offer, to the world.

    90% of Aviation is on the ground. Before any plane takes flight, there are several men, women, and companies that put it all together. Engineers, designers, loadmasters, route planners, sales forces, manufacturers, distribution networks, primary goods suppliers…the list is large and growing. We want to be the networking event that is internationally recognized in order to attract investors to want to locate businesses and jobs here. We want to create the network where landowners and developers can source opportunities for their portfolio. We want to have investors come to the region and see just how facilities like the Edmonton International Airport, augmented with the Villeneuve Airport, can be even better and larger assets for an Alberta open for business to the world. Indeed, the spectacular growth at EIA can be even bigger, and Villeneuve can become an even more relevant Centre for Training and the opportunities general aviation brings to us. We can utilize this opportunity to grow, promote, and become world leaders in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) and the trades to clearly push Alberta’s prominence in these fields globally. We can partner with the Canadian Armed Forces to assist them with their recruiting and retention efforts. With these investors and business people here for a major internationally renowned event, it gives businesses and municipalities like Mayor Hnatiw and her team the opportunity to take these people, possibly even by helicopter, to that plot of land available for expansion and have that executive stand in where his or her new factory will be – a far bigger and more impactful impression than any marketing brochure can make – and actually get the deal done!

    This is why I say that the Airshow is not just an airshow. The news release contains a link to the overview documents and key messages outlining our goals. We follow 4 key initiatives – Recruitment, Retention, Rewards, and Recognition. Our goal – to partner with entities like Sturgeon County, EIA, Edmonton Global, St Albert, the Province of Alberta, and many others, to create a Centre of Excellence in Aviation, Technology, and Logistics. To create that yearly, globally relevant event that is that business attractor. This is why we look to our peers in Farnborough/Paris, Oshkosh, Sun and Fun, Reno’s Air Races, and others for examples of what this could do.

    If you need an example of what this looks like, one only needs to look towards our brothers and sisters to the south. They are about to embark on a yearly event that, if you think it is a rodeo, you have not truly been to the Calgary Stampede.

    The airshow is just a gateway to a much larger networking, workforce creation, and opportunity generation endeavour. The airshow cannot do this on its own. It will need the partnerships of corporations and governments throughout the province. This is why we call our partners - partners. We are living the regional goals of shared investment for shared reward. With our current partners, and hopefully more to come, we can finalize bringing eye-watering new opportunities to the region. We want to be that catalyst that brings excitement and opportunity. We do have incredible history to celebrate, we have incredible opportunity in front of us, and Grant McConachie was right when he opined that Edmonton was the Crossroads of the World. We want people to be proud of this and demonstrate what good looks like so the City of Edmonton itself sees fit to jump in and partner as well.

    Thank you for your time, and I look forward to seeing you all at this year’s show!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    To be fair, Reno attracts a lot of those people for reasons other than the air racing. Just like Vegas gets a lot of people for auto racing. If it weren't for the casinos, they probably wouldn't attract those sorts of numbers.

    So what can attract people to Edmonton besides an airshow, of which there are many across the continent?
    The Reno Air Race is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing in Reno. I have their market numbers produced by the folks at UNR. Facts and data "trump" rumour, feelings, and conjecture every time.

    The numbers come from the event itself.

    Reno is about 1/6 the size of Vegas, and it has nowhere near the air connections. It is not Vegas. Have you ever been there? Most hotels are stuck somewhere between 1975 to 1988. If you go expecting a "Vegas" experience, you'll be truly disappointed. The Grand Sierra, one of the larger hotels, reminds me of a 1985 WEM. Vegas to Reno is like Edmonton to Red Deer...or Medicine Hat

    Portugal did the same, at an airfield smaller than Villeneuve.

    There is absolutely no reason why Edmonton could not achieve these numbers regionally.

    Fair is one thing, but facts and data are another.

    ...and as for the "many across the continent", few if any have the combination of un-encroached land, a supportive airport structure, no plans for major development, etc. This is the reason why the event is in Reno. If they were in Vegas, the numbers would be larger. That is why Reno came to us...as well as IF1. We are a major market, with good flight connections, with the right airport conditions, with 3X the people, and a capital city. We have the hotel space regionally. The Casinos have little to do with it.

    So, while there are "airshows", there is only ONE RARA/NCAR. There could be 2, and we'd be the research and development city. We have the educational institutions...the population...the skillsets...
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    To read your inspirational speech, but to couple that with the councillor saying that Edmonton won't play

    “You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea.” - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    How do you think I felt? I got that call 10 minutes before I stepped up to the podium.
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    To be fair, Reno attracts a lot of those people for reasons other than the air racing. Just like Vegas gets a lot of people for auto racing. If it weren't for the casinos, they probably wouldn't attract those sorts of numbers.

    So what can attract people to Edmonton besides an airshow, of which there are many across the continent?
    The Reno Air Race is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, thing in Reno. I have their market numbers produced by the folks at UNR. Facts and data "trump" rumour, feelings, and conjecture every time.

    The numbers come from the event itself.

    Reno is about 1/6 the size of Vegas, and it has nowhere near the air connections. It is not Vegas. Have you ever been there? Most hotels are stuck somewhere between 1975 to 1988. If you go expecting a "Vegas" experience, you'll be truly disappointed. The Grand Sierra, one of the larger hotels, reminds me of a 1985 WEM. Vegas to Reno is like Edmonton to Red Deer...or Medicine Hat

    Portugal did the same, at an airfield smaller than Villeneuve.

    There is absolutely no reason why Edmonton could not achieve these numbers regionally.

    Fair is one thing, but facts and data are another.

    ...and as for the "many across the continent", few if any have the combination of un-encroached land, a supportive airport structure, no plans for major development, etc. This is the reason why the event is in Reno. If they were in Vegas, the numbers would be larger. That is why Reno came to us...as well as IF1. We are a major market, with good flight connections, with the right airport conditions, with 3X the people, and a capital city. We have the hotel space regionally. The Casinos have little to do with it.

    So, while there are "airshows", there is only ONE RARA/NCAR. There could be 2, and we'd be the research and development city. We have the educational institutions...the population...the skillsets...
    Reno is about 1/4 the size of Edmonton and attracted over 5 million visitors in 2018. That's about 50% higher than Edmonton does with four times the population. There's obviously something that's attracting those people besides the air races. It gives them a built in pool of people who are willing to travel for entertainment. Here, you're primarily drawing from the base of locals. Therefore, the economic impact is not so much adding to the economy but rather re-assigning where those dollars go.

    Yes, I've been to Reno and I'm also aware that it's a two hour drive from Sacramento which has double the population of Edmonton and a three/four drive from the bay area which has a population of almost 9 million. Three hour drive from Edmonton gets you to Calgary. They have a much larggr population that's much nearer to draw from.
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    Sure, California is right next door. That is why Reno/Sparks has its real economic backbone - logistics and distribution. I know Reno more from the warehousing complexes than I do NCAR.

    For RARA, according to the numbers I have, the draw is global. 3/4 to a billion dollars of private jets lined up do not come from just Sacramento. The tail numbers are international. The event is unique enough (currently one of one) to attract investors to an event that is not your every day music fest. It is in Reno beacuse the airport allows it. You can't host this just anywhere, and it is not just another airshow. It is not just Sacramento, and the drive to Reno is hell. Thank you for doing a 50,000' overview from Wikipedia.

    FYI - Oshkosh (66,000 people or St Albert) derives $124 million from Air venture. Again, people come from longer distances than rubber tire.

    -However-

    Your point is that Alberta/Edmonton could not draw $94M in mainly external economic impact a la Reno. The CFR alleged it did $88M with the vast majority external, and in our paltry draw zone. Hmmm

    Alberta is too small to create an ANNUAL event that brings in EXTERNAL dollars and business. Is that your point? We cannot house an event that could become so ingrained in a city's psyche that is self identifies with it year round? One that attracts the leader of its nation yearly, as well as every senior politician, business leader, and Mayor to attend? ...one that can claim ~$300 million in local benefit and ~400 million to the Province? ...one that allegedly is centred on an activity or an event that is also in Tofield, Alder Flats, Ponoka, Brooks, Medicine Hat...a rather exhaustive list continent wide?

    Are you one of those that thinks the Calgary Stampede is really a rodeo? Remember, you're the one just throwing around Wikipedia stats derived from a radius, juxtaposing it with an item you say is ubiquitous, and then omitting what the entity/city does with this ubiquitious event that makes it stand out. Calgary is 3 hours away...Oh, and that $88M CFR...the R stood for what?

    Using your logic, then the Fringe, Folk Fest, Heritage Days, K days et al don't work either. Those are guaranteed to be mainly local spend and a diversion of the same local $5. So, if you're in posession of the secret sauce, let's have your suggestion for what else could be this attraction? ...or are you just all about pooh poohing things? This is a large problem here. People like you ask for suggestions, some pick up the ball and run with it and get something going, only to have people like yourself decry, "well, not that one. Anything else?" What is this? The event version of the marital, 'Honey, what do you want for dinner" conversation?

    FYI - Tahoe is the "local" draw. The tourist numbers often combine Reno/Tahoe as one tourism area. We count visitors from Drayton Valley as tourists which makes WEM #1 in Alberta,. Yes, Sacramento skiers that do Tahoe can come to Reno to gamble, but by looking at their state of repair in many cases, these Casinos are NOT awash with the same throughput as Paradise, NV. Reno is by far grittier than Vegas, although to its credit it is pushing hard to get more recognition and clean its image to more than a place where you shoot a man just to watch him die.

    I bring an opportunity sourced by locals, building local IP, spending dollars on local vendors, and researched by other examples in the world. Of course we looked at the different rubber tire areas and looked to see how it inflated or deflated the numbers. Of course we've juxtaposed the situation over top of Edmonton's draw. Of course we recognize that Oshkosh and NCAR are decades old. We've done everything our Mayor has asked for...locals investing locally to keep the IP local. We've hit the Landry list of TV hits, impressions, international presence...things that make Travel Alberta jump. I understand the ITU event (an event I support btw) boasts of 200,000,000 TV viewers, $44 million in economic impact, on 6,000 visitors and 150,000 fans over the 5 days. NCAR is on NBCSN, so I think that if ITU has these, I can do the same if not more.
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