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    Rumored to be rental and 35-40 stories with construction to start late 2020.

    Walked by the site around 17:30 today, and there was a truck doing what I would assume were core samples in the parking stalls on the west side of the old Sky residence building which is up for short term lease.

    http://wexforddevelopments.com/location/10420-103-avenue/


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    great spot to put it ! one more non historic ugly building gone and i like the height !

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    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either

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    Looking forward to what they propose here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either
    I was going to say...you're making your south units in this new tower hard to sell because it just faces into another tower - but then rereading the OP, it might be a rental, so maybe not a big of a concern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either
    I was going to say...you're making your south units in this new tower hard to sell because it just faces into another tower - but then rereading the OP, it might be a rental, so maybe not a big of a concern.

    There is no tower to the south of this lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either
    I was going to say...you're making your south units in this new tower hard to sell because it just faces into another tower - but then rereading the OP, it might be a rental, so maybe not a big of a concern.

    There is no tower to the south of this lot.
    oops west...and i mis read his post. Excelsior loft will get sun shaded for sure.

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    Yes, that is what I think he was referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SP59 View Post
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    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either
    I was going to say...you're making your south units in this new tower hard to sell because it just faces into another tower - but then rereading the OP, it might be a rental, so maybe not a big of a concern.

    There is no tower to the south of this lot.

    I think they meant the south of Excelsior loft...

    That depends on how they design that. They could easily shrink the podium from the north elevation and just expose the columns up to the roof line of Excelsior, and do some nice landscape to accommodate them. You just have to image a solution rather than think the podium has to abute all the way to the property line. In fact, they could easily have that area as the entrance. Where Excelsor's parkade entrance is, apply a nice frosted glass concealment wall.
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    Whats the gorgeous building just north of the lot?
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    Excelsor loft which was once a warehouse and where the old iconic "Flashback" use to be. The roof penthouse floor was an add on.

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    This would definitely help finish off this street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Excelsor loft which was once a warehouse and where the old iconic "Flashback" use to be. The roof penthouse floor was an add on.

    Ahhh Flashback.....The place was way ahead of its time. Specially in little old Edmonton in the 80s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Star View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Excelsor loft which was once a warehouse and where the old iconic "Flashback" use to be. The roof penthouse floor was an add on.

    Ahhh Flashback.....The place was way ahead of its time. Specially in little old Edmonton in the 80s.
    The simpler times... sigh.
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    flashback? fill me in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DTrobotnik View Post
    R.I.P south facing neighbours. those places ain't cheap either
    welcome to life downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S3RI3S View Post
    flashback? fill me in?
    Alternative nightclub ahead of its time that ended in the very beginning of the 90s. Music was incredible and so different than anything Edmonton had at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by S3RI3S View Post
    flashback? fill me in?
    Alternative nightclub ahead of its time that ended in the very beginning of the 90s. Music was incredible and so different than anything Edmonton had at that time.
    It was one of the best nightclubs whether you were gay or not. 104 had some good life in the 80s. Flashback, Roust, Kreig after hour. Also the club in the Sheraton Caravan.

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    Geotech coring is done, parking lot is back open. However they've left the test holes covered up so they can access them again. My guess is geotech in that area is just as iffy as Stantec and 7th Street sites.
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    Sand deposits no?
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    Yes. Apparently it played a big part in cutting down the height of Tower BG, as going much past 40 floors starts to make a very large raft slab a requirement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Yes. Apparently it played a big part in cutting down the height of Tower BG, as going much past 40 floors starts to make a very large raft slab a requirement.
    Interesting, is edmonton really that far from bedrock? i know we sit on ALOT of clay but that much?
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    There was a very informative geotech map/guide kicking around, probably can find it if you want to.
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    Pretty much everything above river-bed level is clay and sediments. You finally hit a soft sandstone about that far down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S3RI3S View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Marcel Petrin View Post
    Yes. Apparently it played a big part in cutting down the height of Tower BG, as going much past 40 floors starts to make a very large raft slab a requirement.
    Interesting, is edmonton really that far from bedrock? i know we sit on ALOT of clay but that much?
    I'm the wrong guy to ask for any definitive answer, but my understanding is that there are pockets of sandy sediment in areas of downtown that can result in additional foundation structure being needed. The Parliament (109 street + 100 avenue) needed a pretty significant raft slab for the same reason, and that one was only 14 or so stories I believe.

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    So basically downtown was built in a rough area. Sand... coal mines.. and water. My understanding is, north of 104th used to be a swamp and the water table is a disaster. Im doing a site downtown at the moment, where you can stab a shovel in the ground 2' and water starts pooling in.
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    Encore is basically on a sand deposit you can see it on some of the pictures of the excavation.
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    For those who want to read more about the geotechnical conditions encountered in the Ice District, give this article a read. I went to a presentation on the topic and it was very interesting.

    https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ndation_Design

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    cool read!

    In the thread about the building on Jasper and 95 St. (can't remember its name, the one that was a big pit for a while) I made a reference to a geotech report from the 70s for the downtown area. From what I remember the Stantech tower was just on the edge of a sandy zone. Wish I could find it again but searching is not so good on this board.
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    ^^Thanks for posting that, informative.
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    Expect more news/updates on this within a month or so...
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    Glad to hear, this is one vacent building/property that is way too close to Rogers Place and the district to be left unused for too long.

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    Yep, as well as enhancing 104th Street.

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    HA to DC2
    -3 storey podium
    -Main floor retail
    -Slim 30 storeys, maximum of 310 units
    -UG parking from the rear lane

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    Odd tower configuration ... looks like a morph of Tower D and trying to utilize the existing building on site. I doubt that will save a dime versus a singular square or rectangular building. My first impression for the napkin sketch.

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    Maybe they are trying to let some sunlight in to the excelsior lofts by keeping it set back?

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    So glad I didn’t purchase an east facing view in the Legacy...

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    One of the best thing about more towers is hiding towers like the Legacy...

    I can only hope one day Peregrime point is hidden from almost all views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    One of the best thing about more towers is hiding towers like the Legacy...

    I can only hope one day Peregrime point is hidden from almost all views.
    I actually don’t mind the legacy. It’s not the prettiest tower but it doesn’t have a lot of problems and seems to be built well.

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    Oh look, another box.

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    ^ it's just a placeholder, PB. Basically a sense of what the size of the building will be, so no need to worry about the 'boxieness' at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    One of the best thing about more towers is hiding towers like the Legacy...

    I can only hope one day Peregrime point is hidden from almost all views.
    I'm not so harsh on the Legacy, but as to Peregrine Point ... SPOT ON. Such ugliness amid the Leg district - ugh!
    ... gobsmacked

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoForMayor View Post
    ^ it's just a placeholder, PB. Basically a sense of what the size of the building will be, so no need to worry about the 'boxieness' at this point.
    I hope you are right.

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    ^It is meant to show the extent of the DC zoning they are proposing. It allows people to see what the massing of the proposed tower is beyond the current zoning, as well as setbacks from the property line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McBoo View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    One of the best thing about more towers is hiding towers like the Legacy...

    I can only hope one day Peregrime point is hidden from almost all views.
    I'm not so harsh on the Legacy, but as to Peregrine Point ... SPOT ON. Such ugliness amid the Leg district - ugh!
    It gets the prize for the number of critical posts and length of time in design bashing on C2E ... nothing comes close to it.q

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    It's a massing diagram folks...thats all. More details to come.

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    They're proposing to rezone from the HA zone designation.

    I mean the existing building definitely does not comply to that designation anyways, but it doesn't mean the new buildings going up shouldn't.

    And even though the way its executed on the Fox and Century is kind of borderline tacky, it does make the street cohesive...and there is a certain charm with the brick finishing.

    I would also like the ONE property to comply with the HA design guidelines as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    It's a massing diagram folks...thats all. More details to come.
    Are you sure???? Maybe they are going to build a big white, windowless box there. LOL
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    Hopefully they steer away from Langham's windowless white tower trademark...

    Jokingly aside, they gave a clue that the tower may be set back to accommodate the symmetry of the old neighborhood. It is pretty hard to apply any sort of critiques when there is nothing shown.
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    Well at least it’ll be a warm building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisD View Post
    It's a massing diagram folks...thats all. More details to come.
    No kidding.

    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker
    Odd tower configuration ... looks like a morph of Tower D and trying to utilize the existing building on site. I doubt that will save a dime versus a singular square or rectangular building. My first impression for the napkin sketch.
    The existing building is not being saved. All will be new. All that massing diagram shows is that the tower is being broken up in two visually by materials and massing. Why anyone would try reading anything further in to that is beyond me.

    Quote Originally Posted by B.ike
    I mean the existing building definitely does not comply to that designation anyways, but it doesn't mean the new buildings going up shouldn't.


    It's more of a technicality is my understanding, as the HA zoning requires the tower to be set back from the podium at street frontages, but Wexford wanted to pull the tower to the corner. Again, that's my understanding and could well be a misinterpretation, so don't hold it against the project if I'm incorrect!

    In my opinion the street presence of this building will be far, far better than the Foxes or *gag* the Icons or Century (B-vent, hot water tanks, fluorescent lights, and vehicles clearly visible from the sidewalk). No above grade parking is also my understanding.



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    ^Yes, 4.5m setback from podium to tower if I recall without looking up the zoning.
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    Y’all realize people were just being playful right? Nobody expects a massing to be the final design of a tower lmao.

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    Can someone speak to what the actual zoning change 'could' mean? I see above it might have something to do with setbacks. Is that accurate? I'd heard that one of the reasons the 600 person bar in Fox2 didn't go ahead was because of the zoning. I really like the character and feel of 104th street.

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    HA
    https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/zoningby..._Area_Zone.htm

    Given the size of the site, this is likely why:

    Tower Stepback from the Street Wall shall be a minimum of 4.5m.

    There are also a plethora of other requirements, specifically for the podium that would not work well here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    HA
    https://webdocs.edmonton.ca/zoningby..._Area_Zone.htm

    Given the size of the site, this is likely why:

    Tower Stepback from the Street Wall shall be a minimum of 4.5m.

    There are also a plethora of other requirements, specifically for the podium that would not work well here.

    Thanks Ian.

    So it does open it up to putting in a bar with a capacity of more than 100 people, correct?

    I'm fine with a new high-rise, but would like to better understand the potential impacts of the change.

    Thanks,

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    I suppose so, but there are a lot of eyes on this DC2... so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rduchene
    So it does open it up to putting in a bar with a capacity of more than 100 people, correct?


    Someone else can certainly correct me if I'm wrong, but the DC2 wouldn't impact permitted or discretionary uses in the retail spaces. Bars over 100 people would still be a discretionary use and require the approval of the development officer.

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    Ha.

    You can craft and proposed whatever you want with DCs... but I would guess that they are not going to revise those.
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    In all likelihood the City will request that Bars and Neighbourhood Pubs use be limited to 100 occupants and 120m2 of Public Space given its location.

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    Where there is residence, I'm good with that.
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    I really want to see the stunning warehouse being used as a storage facility across the street redeveloped. What a horrible use of this building. Really that entire side of 104th, up to the Mercer needs redevelopment.

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    The area with fences abuting that small structure next to the Mercer is owned by Katz, and this is a future development. The storage centre is a no go as the owner refuse offers to sell... That lot next the parkade need TLC(onstruction) too. We'll get there eventually!
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    I could be mistaken, but the storage site was purchased.
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    Ooohhh? Feel free to spill the gossip as I encourage it... please make this a great Sunday evening for me lol! ANYONE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    Ooohhh? Feel free to spill the gossip as I encourage it... please make this a great Sunday evening for me lol! ANYONE?
    do property owners fall under FOIP?
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    Land transactions are public record, although if a numbered company was a purchaser, it may not be possible to tell who is behind it.

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    ^^
    Chris, Ken, or Marcel would have way better confirmation on that. I didn't even think about that as I just assumed it was through the "number" process in which Marcel alluded to. That said, if it was sold, I wondered if Katz was the purchaser? This gorgeous building has to come to life. If it has not been sold, I hope the current owner can take their own initiative and redevelope it. In current time, this building is too nice for its current usage, but it's location is also situated in a prominent spot that ties the core to the UWD. This spot must have activation.
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    A corporate search can be pulled on a NumCo identifying the directors. This is also public record.

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    OK...I don't deal with that lol.
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    Got this in the mail earlier this week, approximately 28 stories.
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    Be great to the see the warehouse across the street come to life along with the empty lot next door. But I don't see much happening there for a long time given Tower B is on hiatus. And no doubt the constructor on Tower B will need the empty lot for laydown area.

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    I'm not concern with the delay. It will most likely be held back like Mayfair. That said, I never thought I'd see this street become what it is so quickly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdmTrekker View Post
    Be great to the see the warehouse across the street come to life along with the empty lot next door. But I don't see much happening there for a long time given Tower B is on hiatus. And no doubt the constructor on Tower B will need the empty lot for laydown area.
    Perhaps this latest development will encourage conversion.

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    I'd be very happy to see this property move forward as it would definitely be one of the last few properties to be filled with something that is actually in use. I want to see 104th completed so developers will all start looking a lot more at 105 and 106 streets.
    LRT is our future, time to push forward.

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    That all depends on who owns what to precede as you said although im on the bandwagon of your idea. Once the entire UW has reach where it can go, other areas will get the attention. As per the storage space, a bed and breakfast hotel boutique would be amazing there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-Ed View Post
    That all depends on who owns what to precede as you said although im on the bandwagon of your idea. Once the entire UW has reach where it can go, other areas will get the attention. As per the storage space, a bed and breakfast hotel boutique would be amazing there.
    Katz owns it all. The warehouse, the vacant lot next to it, the Canada Border Security Building - he owns the whole block except the Mercer. My comment had something to do with other development that Katz Properties may want to proceed with on the block despite Tower B put on hiatus. Part of the answer will be if the Canadian Border Security Group or what ever they are called relocate before or when the lease comes up. No doubt the old Roost Building could be demolished as part of a larger development, though it is a nice little building. Maybe the 2 existing buildings could be enveloped into a larger project that enhances 104th.

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    What... I gather that would be a newer transaction- the storage building? As far as I knew the owner refused to sell that storage. I was aware he owned that fenced in lot...
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    Maybe I am wrong about the storage building Anyone?

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    I remember hearing it was sold, to whom I don’t know.

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    I believe it was sold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    What are the actual physical boundaries of ice district?
    Friendly neighborhood (non-double poster) photographer.

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    Not there. It is for Rogers Place, JW, COE, Stantec, and BG.
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    Looks good.

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    Agreed.
    Edmonton first, everything else second.

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    Looks OK if you don't mind not having a balcony on the east block/building of apartments. Frankly that would be claustrophobic for me. Even the windows don't look like they open.

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    Reminds me of 432 Park Avenue! I like it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seandroid View Post
    Reminds me of 432 Park Avenue! I like it!
    This design, particularly how they approached the mechanical penthouse is more thoughtful than 432 below. 432 interiors are quite the lux property: https://www.432parkavenue.com/#residences

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    Not spectacular but still easy to the eyes with good quality finishings , and I approved. Thank you to developers who have great taste in ensuring the direct core is not plaster with questionable representations. It just shows me you care for our city.
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    I'd be happy to see this project get built.

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    I count 32 floors, but they say it's 28?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axb View Post
    I count 32 floors, but they say it's 28?
    28 was my guess - not sure if the planned floor count was stated by Cidex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctzn-[I
    [/I]Ed;926603]Not spectacular but still easy to the eyes with good quality finishings , and I approved. Thank you to developers who have great taste in ensuring the direct core is not plaster with questionable representations. It just shows me you care for our city.
    Wexford operations based out of Calgary not Edmonton. Not a question of caring ... is an investment that has to turn a profit one way or another. They like so many others build and flip.
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    Wexford is the developer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanC View Post
    Wexford is the developer...
    Yes I know - I edited the post to correct. I had Cidex on my mind as I had driven down Jasper this week - and that new tower is very impressive. Coming down 82 St rounding the corner onto Jasper Ave the only big tower in view at this point is the new Cidex tower for a little stretch before Jasper veers to the right or north and then the other towers on Jasper East become visible.

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    Is there an official industry term for the two differing styles on the same tower? I like it and want to look up others.
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    Is that a rooftop patio on the podium?
    There was no need to change that plaque. We are the City of Champions.

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    Now we're getting somewhere.
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