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    Default Part of 97th Street to be renamed Canadian Forces Trail

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...727618?cmp=rss

    A main thoroughfare in Edmonton is about to get a new name in honour of the Edmonton Garrison and the history of the military at CFB Griesbach.

    A portion of 97th Street will be called Canadian Forces Trail between 137th Avenue and Anthony Henday Drive.

    City councillor Jon Dziadyk, himself a reservist, submitted the idea, which was just approved by the city's naming committee this week.

    Sousa said the next step will be to work on traffic signs for Canadian Forces Trail.

    He thinks the city will officially unveil the honorary name later in the summer or early fall.

    The city may tie in the unveiling with Remembrance Day, this year celebrating 100 years of the end of the First World War, he said.
    You have to dream big. If we want to be a little city, we dream small. If we want to be a big city, we dream big, and this is a big idea. - Mayor Stephen Mandel, 02/22/2012

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    Nice touch
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    Im all for it.

    I hope it also retains the number for practical purposes.

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    I wonder if there would be a way to incorporate Namayo Avenue into part of 97 Street. I like the Canadian Forces Trail idea though.
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    I'm not opposed to renaming of streets but I wish they would stop renaming bits and pieces. Just rename the whole damn thing. It got really bad with St. Albert Trail / Mark Messier Trail / St. Albert Trail / Groat Road.

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    Agreed
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    Yeah main roads like 137 ave 97 street 104th ave should be named I think just as long as what Vincent says it covers the entire road.

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    I talked to city councillor Dziadyk about it and he agreed with my point regarding multiple names for the same road being annoying and said he may apply to have this honourary name extended all the way down to Yellowhead if it proves popular, but was keeping this initial ask limited as he thought there would be opposition for much of 97th street especially through china town.

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    ...he "thought" there would be opposition .... But did he actually solicit an opinion? Canadian Forces Trail would be opposed by folks, especially "Chinatown" ?
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    That's what he said.

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    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    That's what he said.

    Maybe he should ask...? This reaction is typical of Old Edmonton Thinking...if I don't ask, and assume no, the answer will be no! See, I was right!
    Tired of being taken advantage of .

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.
    yes, if by "mediocre bland" you mean "Not beating you over the head with its message and telling you what to think".

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.
    And when you say "Edmonton" you mean the one individual who came up with the name?

    "In any city except Edmonton". If I had a dollar for every time I read a similar statement on C2E I'd be rich. Painting the entire city of Edmonton, and all its citizens in a lesser light than every other city on the globe. Why do people feel the need to trash talk their own city? I never understood that. Does it make you feel better to **** on your own city before somebody else does it? Are you so certain that "Edmonton" will be criticized, so you figure you'd better beat them to it so they can't include you in that criticism?

    If you prefer "Heroes Way" you can say so without insulting your own city and everybody who lives here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    I'm not opposed to renaming of streets but I wish they would stop renaming bits and pieces. Just rename the whole damn thing. It got really bad with St. Albert Trail / Mark Messier Trail / St. Albert Trail / Groat Road.
    100% agree. Also if you don't rename all or at least enough of the road the name doesn't stick as most see it as 97 street for example.

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    Agreed, it should be the whole thing, at least from Yellowhead. The proposed name is bland, though, and I would prefer not renaming something that already has a historic name that still makes sense.

    Old Namayo avenue still goes to Namao, and to what we used to call CFB Namao before the Griesbach base got shuttered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.
    And when you say "Edmonton" you mean the one individual who came up with the name?

    "In any city except Edmonton". If I had a dollar for every time I read a similar statement on C2E I'd be rich. Painting the entire city of Edmonton, and all its citizens in a lesser light than every other city on the globe. Why do people feel the need to trash talk their own city? I never understood that. Does it make you feel better to **** on your own city before somebody else does it? Are you so certain that "Edmonton" will be criticized, so you figure you'd better beat them to it so they can't include you in that criticism?

    If you prefer "Heroes Way" you can say so without insulting your own city and everybody who lives here.
    And also for C2E it is SOP to overreact in a bizarre way and to stir intense animosity to a topic that just needs some measured discourse. I meant what I said, take it at face value. "We don't get nice things" is, I would say, a commonly held view. It's a dumb name, don't care how it happened... just pointing out that this sort of mediocrity happens all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.
    In Winnipeg its called Air Force Way, In Kingston - Navy Way. Trenton is RCAF Road. Halifax has Valour Drive But the City of Edmonton has already named 195 ave as Valour Ave. I think most Bases just have generic street names for their main entry points with roads within the base having military relevant names..

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    Quote Originally Posted by K364 View Post
    In any city except for Edmonton, this street would be renamed "Heroes way" or something like that. But... we do the mediocre bland option.
    The 401 is called "Highway of Heroes" and we all know why. Canadian Forces Trail is, in no way whatsoever, materially inferior as a name. And copying the name would be just that- copying it.

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    This doesn't make sense to me. 97th St used to exit right into the base, which was great. Until some ***** removed the south entrance and the bridge that used to pass over it for traffic going south on 97th. Now you have to continue on to where it turns into a single lane, then turn right and half the base has to backtrack to their units. There is lots of bitterness over this as it seems the city didn't really care about those thousands who travel to and from work every day on the base. It was initially built by the city, but technically right on the city and Sturgeon Country limits, and was removed for the Henday. Never replaced. They've essentially cut off the city from the base. Most people who used to hit up the city's north end for lunch now just eat on base because going around the north end and backtracking has doubled the time to get into the city.

    97th Street should in no way have anything to do with the base. They removed that convenience years ago. The base already has Valour Ave and Vimy Ave that actually lead into the base via Sturgeon Country roads, and the north end of the base through Sturgeon Road. The city just wants some PR crap to make themselves look good. A lot of the traffic now comes from 82 street via Valour Ave, or 127 Street past the prison and again through Valour Ave.

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    If it was removed due to the Henday then it was the province that removed it, not the city.

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    I'm aware that the corridor is considered a provincial highway now even though it falls within the city corporate limits, but that still leaves the fact that the south end of the base was never reconnected to 97th street, regardless of who should have done it.

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    Perhaps the CF was looking to restrict the number of access points. Or the off ramp to Hwy 28 N would interfere. Or perhaps it was something else. Regardless, it had nothing to do with the city deciding to cut off direct access.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkeli View Post
    This doesn't make sense to me. 97th St used to exit right into the base, which was great. Until some ***** removed the south entrance and the bridge that used to pass over it for traffic going south on 97th. Now you have to continue on to where it turns into a single lane, then turn right and half the base has to backtrack to their units. There is lots of bitterness over this as it seems the city didn't really care about those thousands who travel to and from work every day on the base. It was initially built by the city, but technically right on the city and Sturgeon Country limits, and was removed for the Henday. Never replaced. They've essentially cut off the city from the base. Most people who used to hit up the city's north end for lunch now just eat on base because going around the north end and backtracking has doubled the time to get into the city.

    97th Street should in no way have anything to do with the base. They removed that convenience years ago. The base already has Valour Ave and Vimy Ave that actually lead into the base via Sturgeon Country roads, and the north end of the base through Sturgeon Road. The city just wants some PR crap to make themselves look good. A lot of the traffic now comes from 82 street via Valour Ave, or 127 Street past the prison and again through Valour Ave.
    Quote Originally Posted by alkeli View Post
    I'm aware that the corridor is considered a provincial highway now even though it falls within the city corporate limits, but that still leaves the fact that the south end of the base was never reconnected to 97th street, regardless of who should have done it.
    hmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Perhaps the CF was looking to restrict the number of access points. Or the off ramp to Hwy 28 N would interfere. Or perhaps it was something else. Regardless, it had nothing to do with the city deciding to cut off direct access.
    There's no reason to restrict access points, and the only thing restricted was 97th street which turns into the highway. Going through the base was never a shortcut in any way, especially with the 40km/h speed limit. Any entrance into the actual base is through a guard house anyways. Anyone can access the outer base any time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alkeli View Post
    I'm aware that the corridor is considered a provincial highway now
    now? It's always been a provincial highway. It was a provincial project from the start. They set aside the land for it, designed it, built it, paid for it and maintain it. The city has never been involved in any way except to complain when the province didn't want to build off ramps at 137th Ave.

    And no I don't know why they never restored access from the south part of the base but if you get an answer from Alberta transportation, please share. It seems to me there's plenty of space for ramps at Valour Ave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by alkeli View Post
    I'm aware that the corridor is considered a provincial highway now
    now? It's always been a provincial highway. It was a provincial project from the start. They set aside the land for it, designed it, built it, paid for it and maintain it. The city has never been involved in any way except to complain when the province didn't want to build off ramps at 137th Ave.

    And no I don't know why they never restored access from the south part of the base but if you get an answer from Alberta transportation, please share. It seems to me there's plenty of space for ramps at Valour Ave.
    I'm talking about before it was built. The province purchased the land for the TUC that was to become the Henday. In fact they are still purchasing land to expand the TUC and add additional facilities.

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