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    It appears we are all in agreement. The lot will be expropriated and turned into a park.

    @Ken, what was the most challenging part of this project so far in your mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    It appears we are all in agreement. The lot will be expropriated and turned into a park.

    @Ken, what was the most challenging part of this project so far in your mind?
    possibly the current thread derail?

    the project itself however is so small and intricate that everything is connected to everything else to such a degree that it's difficult to designate any one thing as the most challenging.

    there is no question however that if i had to pick just one construction challenge it would be pouring new perimeter foundations and exterior columns and beams before being able to proceed with interior demolition would top the list
    combined with a lack of site access and layby space.

    the biggest disappointment was probably how much the original building had been allowed to deteriorate and how many options that removed going forward along with the impact that had on design decisions and on costs.

    the biggest outstanding issue remains leasing risk. we knew it would be tough getting market acceptance for a building that had been abandoned for fifteen years until they could walk the finished spaces. now that we're there we're looking forward to some of that interest coming to fruition.
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    Best of luck Ken as this would make an amazing office for one of the many tech firms moving to or expanding Downtown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Best of luck Ken as this would make an amazing office for one of the many tech firms moving to or expanding Downtown.
    I agree. I hope there’s a tour for the grand opening. I’d fly home for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevey_G View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    Best of luck Ken as this would make an amazing office for one of the many tech firms moving to or expanding Downtown.
    I agree. I hope there’s a tour for the grand opening. I’d fly home for that.
    whenever you're home i'm pretty sure we can arrange for a tour...
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    some miscellaneous photos from the past few days...

    curtainwall from both sides:



    some miscellaneous views/activity:



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    some tradework:



    and some glass:

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    Ahhh, you beat me too it... Oh well, my pictures from last weekend. Going to be an interesting building when its finished, a well done blend of old and modern.



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    Awesome.
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    Are you going to refresh the painted titling or leave as-is? It looks to be in pretty good shape.
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    Wow. It’s really coming along nicely.

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    Brighton Block looking fantastic






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    Oooooh glazing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    Are you going to refresh the painted titling or leave as-is? It looks to be in pretty good shape.
    at this point the planning is to leave it "as is"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nickv View Post
    Oooooh glazing
    a closer look from the 4th floor patio at some of that glazing:

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    ^Very nice

    BTW, when do the windows on the lower part, original façade, get installed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edmcowboy11 View Post
    ^Very nice

    BTW, when do the windows on the lower part, original façade, get installed?
    that should start in the next week or so...
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    This is definitely my favorite project underway right now. Cannot wait to see it finished!

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    Question... what’s happening with the false front on top of the original building with the name etc? It doesn’t look very good. Doesn’t look original but a cheap add on from the 90s.

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    Surely you jest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Surely you jest.
    No, not really. The brick isn’t the same colour. It doesn’t look original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Surely you jest.
    No, not really. The brick isn’t the same colour. It doesn’t look original.
    it's original (noting that the brighton block was actually two buildings with the west 1/2 built a year after the east 1/2). it's just wet (not surprising in this weather), as is the brick at the east edge of the building.
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    That patio is shaping up to be one of the best in the city, for sure. Keep those updates coming, Ken.

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    Man the river valley views are beautiful. Makes me miss Edmonton.

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    I love this project so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
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    Surely you jest.
    No, not really. The brick isn’t the same colour. It doesn’t look original.
    it's original (noting that the brighton block was actually two buildings with the west 1/2 built a year after the east 1/2). it's just wet (not surprising in this weather), as is the brick at the east edge of the building.
    Even when perfectly dry the brick looks different. But thanks for explaining, much appreciated. Personally I find it takes away from the building, quite ugly actually.

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    Haha. You’re kidding. I would say that most love it so you are the exception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Haha. You’re kidding. I would say that most love it so you are the exception.
    I never said I was speaking for anyone but myself so go **** yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Drumbones View Post
    Haha. You’re kidding. I would say that most love it so you are the exception.
    I never said I was speaking for anyone but myself so go **** yourself.
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    from louise mckinney park (from a friend).
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    Looks pretty dry and I can definitely see the different colour in brick from the false fronted signage on top and the actual building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Looks pretty dry and I can definitely see the different colour in brick from the false fronted signage on top and the actual building.
    Pretty sure kcantor knows what he’s talking about lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Looks pretty dry and I can definitely see the different colour in brick from the false fronted signage on top and the actual building.
    maybe it would help if you looked at some photos from the "backside" of that "false fronted signage on top". you can see from the brickwork and where the roof joists were "fire cut" into that parapet how integral it all is:



    you can also see how integral it all is if you look at the returns from either the exterior or the backside as the parapet turns the corner:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seandroid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by etownboarder View Post
    Looks pretty dry and I can definitely see the different colour in brick from the false fronted signage on top and the actual building.
    Pretty sure kcantor knows what he’s talking about lol.
    I didn’t say he didn’t know what he was talking about. I was just pointing out the different colour in brick that made me question whether it was original or not.

    ^and gracias.

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    6th floor wednesday morning courtesy of adam cantor:

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    Edmonton's Brighton Block - CTV News - CTV Edmonton

    A building that once housed camera supplies, but then deteriorated from exposure, has a new image.

    The historic Brighton Block, originally built by Ernest Brown in 1912, for his Everything Photographic business, is nearly ready to reopen after a two-year effort to salvage the brick walls of the building.

    Originally, Ken Cantor, a longtime developer in Edmonton, said his company, Primavera, had hoped to save much of the foundations and framing of the century-old three-storey building at Jasper Avenue and 96 Street.

    The building had deteriorated too far for that to happen.

    “It was decrepit and literally rotting from the basement to the roof,” Cantor says.

    The plan then became an effort to save the brick walls of the old building. To do that, an edge foundation needed to be poured, before the old insides could be dug and torn out. Then, a state-of-the-art system of raft slab and new columns could begin.

    Then, the original three-storey structure turned into six with the new upper levels having floor-to-ceiling glass with sweeping views of the river valley.

    “The building itself is exactly what we wanted,” says Cantor.

    Even the alley side of the Brighton Block will have the same glass treatment to show off Edmonton’s changing skyline, according to Cantor.

    “People don’t realize how close it is to everything, when you stand here, you can see CN, which is the first office tower that was built. You can see Epcor, you can see Stantec and the Marriott that was built.”

    The developer hopes a restaurant will occupy the first floor and says that the upper storeys would be perfect for a business like a law firm. He says construction will be completed by mid-September.
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    Saw you on the news Ken! Your building is turning out much better than I thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThomasH View Post
    Saw you on the news Ken! Your building is turning out much better than I thought.
    thanks ThomasH!

    although the pictures don't really do it justice, it is getting to the stage where they start to hint at what the finished product is really going to look like.

    now we get to add some of the playful and personal design components.
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    a bit of update on the lodge/pendennis as well as the brighton block:

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5235539


    the on-air clip is at about the 7:18 mark:

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    some windows looking for a home:



    some windows that found a home:



    an elevator cab floor at home in the shaft and some rails to keep it in line while the rest gets built in place:



    curtainwall framing moving from the south face to the north face:

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    curtainwall on the north side:



    reclaiming some historic brick to hide some original structural steel exposed in the reconstruction:



    a good look at the "break" between the original building (to the left) and the original addition (to the right):



    and last but not least our neighbour to the east:

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    So inspiring to see this beauty every day getting closer to completion.
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    Only thing though is this was supposed to be finished by mid-September - kinda doubt that is gonna happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Only thing though is this was supposed to be finished by mid-September - kinda doubt that is gonna happen.
    let's just say that this 107 year old beauty queen still has the occasional surprise in store for her courtiers that needs to be dealt with...

    and that after 107 years a few weeks to get things done right isn't the end of the world.
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    Love the updates Ken.
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    Love the updates. How is the leasing front going, are there any confirmed tenants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barhonda View Post
    Love the updates. How is the leasing front going, are there any confirmed tenants?
    we have a conditional agreement in place for 1 floor that looks like it will expand to a second and continue to see increased interest as construction moves forward and we're almost closed in. main floor stone and storefront will be the next big visual from the exterior, having a finished lobby and an elevator the next big step for the interior.

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    Beautiful! Need more people like you Ken investing into the city and seeing potential in Historical Properties and doing their best for preservation. Bravo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Only thing though is this was supposed to be finished by mid-September - kinda doubt that is gonna happen.
    let's just say that this 107 year old beauty queen still has the occasional surprise in store for her courtiers that needs to be dealt with...

    and that after 107 years a few weeks to get things done right isn't the end of the world.
    Naturally a DIVA should be catered too and shouldn't be expected any less as far as my perspective can see it. This was never intended as a cookie cutter, and I'm happily willing to wait.

    She is looking dynamite so far. I didnt realize the north had such a decent view as shown with Stantec in the background; I'm not quite sure if the additions helped but...
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    Ken - if the construction is not going to wrap up by mid-September then when will it happen? Not looking for a hard date, but an estimated timeline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    Ken - if the construction is not going to wrap up by mid-September then when will it happen? Not looking for a hard date, but an estimated timeline.
    we should have substantial completion for the base building late this month or early next. depending on weather, there may be the odd seasonal deficiency that will have to wait until next spring but nothing that will preclude tenant work or tenant occupancy following completion of that work. main floor storefront should start to go in by the end if this week and then we can finish off the lobby...
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    Taken September 14, 2019

    valleyline_4
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    Looking north and up from Louise Mckinney Park
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    new address on jasper avenue:



    if the devil is in the details, this is going to be very devilish building when we're done.
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    Yikes

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    That's awesome!
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    some storefront to wrap those addresses...

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    Super. Getting closer by the day

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    Long time lurker, first time poster. Just wanted to say this is probably the most exciting development for me in Edmonton over the past little while. Absolutely love what has been done to keep it original but update it with the glazing/extra floors. This will be an excellent boost to East Jasper/the Quarters. I hope this spurs further development and confidence in the area. My company did a little work here and I probably spent a little more time than necessary with site visits, haha. Just so lovely to look at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Komrade View Post
    Beautiful! Need more people like you Ken investing into the city and seeing potential in Historical Properties and doing their best for preservation. Bravo!
    Agreed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
    some storefront to wrap those addresses...


    Truly inspiring.

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    The challenges of preserving architectural heritage.

    Heritage funding requests for Brighton Block, Strathcona Hotel renewals drastically exceed city budget

    Ken Cantor’s Primavera Development Group is behind the 35,000-square-foot redesign of the storied 1912 Brighton Block, looking to transform the three-storey brick building along Jasper Avenue into a six-storey commercial and retail space. With the total project amounting to $15 million, the city said it would be eligible for an unprecedented $566,636 under the grant program. The major construction work on the building is expected to be complete in the next few weeks.


    After purchasing the building from the Ukrainian Canadian Archives and Museum of Alberta in 2017, Cantor said the building was facing significant damage. But he said the group sees the value in going through with the project they started.


    “As a city and owners, I think we need to pay more attention to our buildings and our building stock before they’re heritage buildings,” Cantor said. “Right now we ignore them until they’re old, we ignore them until they’re heritage and we allow them to deteriorate with very little consequences … it’s almost as if that’s what we expect.”

    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...-city-capacity

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    Update

    City to finance $1 million for Brighton Block, Strathcona Hotel projects, amidst heritage fund capacity concerns

    Councillors are asking the city to grant exceptions for the amount of maintenance dollars awarded to the costly redevelopment of two historic buildings as the city grapples to find alternatives for the depleted heritage fund.


    Developers behind the Brighton Block and Strathcona Hotel projects received welcome news from the urban planning committee Tuesday morning with councillors touting the importance of restoring the city’s storied buildings and pushing for more than $1 million in funding requests to go forward.


    Eligible maintenance grants agreed upon by the city total $566,636 for the Brighton Block and just under $464,000 for the Strathcona Hotel. But these requests considerably exceed the city’s current cap of $50,000 every five years.

    ---

    In its current form, the heritage reserve receives $1.9 million annually through a tax levy to provide incentives for buildings designated historic resources. The reserve is expected to dip down to $340,000 at the end of 2020 and additional designations or requests could make an even larger dent.


    With the inventory continuing to expand, now including 157 buildings, alternative solutions need to be found in order to meet the growing demand.


    https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...acity-concerns

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisBalls View Post
    Long time lurker, first time poster. Just wanted to say this is probably the most exciting development for me in Edmonton over the past little while. Absolutely love what has been done to keep it original but update it with the glazing/extra floors. This will be an excellent boost to East Jasper/the Quarters. I hope this spurs further development and confidence in the area. My company did a little work here and I probably spent a little more time than necessary with site visits, haha. Just so lovely to look at.
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    ^^ ^^^

    some background regarding the updates...

    one of the things that is not apparent in the reporting is that even if a grant application is successful, the city doesn't pay for all of the cost of the work approved under the grant request. when a building is first designated as a heritage structure, certain specific costs relating directly to the rehabilitation of the heritage aspects of the building are paid for by the owner and are eligible for a 50% reimbursement. following the initial designation, the building may be eligible for a maintenance grant which is equal to a 33% reimbursement of those same specific costs relating to the heritage aspects but to a maximum of $50,000 every five years.

    the brighton block and the strathcona hotel are currently struggling with having been previously designated – and for relatively small amounts of money - without having been adequately maintained since.

    administration’s reports and attachments were quite thorough even though i don’t agree with all of their analysis; with the forced requirement to apply out-dated policy (which is a broader discussion the city needs to address); and, in several cases, with their math. having said that, i would also be remiss if i did not thank administration for their ongoing assistance and support for our efforts to rehabilitate the brighton block from the beginning. they have been a valued and integral member of the team despite having made absolutely no representations as to what may or may not be available in terms of grant monies as that is a council decision, not an administrative one.

    as most here know, the brighton block was built as two separate buildings between 1911 and 1913 and was continuously occupied for the first nine decades of its existence. it is our hope that will be the case for the next nine decades. the intervening decade and a half however, was not kind to the Brighton Block.

    as noted in administration’s report, “in the period since its designation, the Brighton Block had fallen into an advanced state of disrepair”. by 2016, it was open to the elements, the main floor was under 3” of water, large areas were completely covered in pigeon guano and there were mushrooms growing in the middle of the second floor. there was no functioning mechanical or electrical equipment (in fact there was no mechanical or electrical equipment in the building at all) and portions of the wood frame structure were in disrepair.

    in addition to inspecting the building, our due diligence included an analysis of the building’s history and the contractual obligations between previous owners and the city of edmonton. these required a building maintenance plan along with regular annual inspections, they required major inspections every five years and for the preparation of remedial work plans as needed. in all of these areas, the city had the right to complete the work at the owner’s expense. if all of that had taken place, looking past the obvious, how bad could it be?

    we budgeted $400,000 to address the obviously deferred maintenance and planned to work with the existing structure and foundations without expecting grant monies to support that. the more information we were able to gather however, the more apparent it became that that was simply not going to be possible. by this time, the only ones that were happy with the brighton block were the pigeons and the occasional feral cat.

    the wood frame structure was deemed to be unsalvageable and concrete bearing walls and foundations turned out to be structurally unsound. the only option was a complete demolition and reconstruction while still trying to maintain the historic exterior facades. furthermore, without immediate and drastic intervention, the brighton block would in short order have suffered the same fate as the gem theatre. by then, as owner and steward of the brighton block, we were not prepared to see that happen and proceeded to undertake and complete what needed doing without any commitments from anywhere else.

    code and architectural requirements along with existing window locations became key design drivers. constructability and structural requirements determined cast in place concrete to be the most appropriate method to salvage the brighton block and most of what was undertaken since has been well documented here. what wasn't documented here was how our rehabilitation costs for the brighton block went from $400,000 to more than $3,400,000 (noting that’s not even the total construction or project budget, that’s just the money spent rehabilitating the original historic elements of the building.

    in terms of our request, there is no windfall here for primavera. even if the city accepts 100% of the costs we feel are appropriate and treats them as rehabilitation. at 50%, our shareholders will have invested more than $1,700,000 in the historic preservation of a previously designated historic building. if they are accepted in full but treated as maintenance at 33% along with relaxing the policy’s stated cap, we will have invested more than $2,200,000 in the historic preservation of a previously designated building.

    even with the potential of some reimbursement, projects like the brighton block and the strathcona hotel are labours of love and not simply a means to make money for those of us that take them on. if it was just a matter of making money, it would be a easier and less expensive and less risky to simply buy a vacant piece of land and build the same amount of space from scratch.

    there's just something special about being able to successfully complete something like the brighton block which in many ways is much more intricate and more complex than something like epcor tower because it's smaller (the total area of all of the floors of the brighton block is smaller than the main floor footprint of the epcor tower) and because it's much easier to absorb an additional cost when you can spread it out over 650,000 sf than when you can only spread it out over 35,000 sf.
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    Thanks for the background story Ken.

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    Thanks for the peek behind the scenes Ken.

    Unfortunately:

    as noted in administration’s report, “in the period since its designation, the Brighton Block had fallen into an advanced state of disrepair”. by 2016, it was open to the elements, the main floor was under 3” of water, large areas were completely covered in pigeon guano and there were mushrooms growing in the middle of the second floor. there was no functioning mechanical or electrical equipment (in fact there was no mechanical or electrical equipment in the building at all) and portions of the wood frame structure were in disrepair.
    Is all too often par for the course in Edmonton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Thanks for the peek behind the scenes Ken.

    Unfortunately:

    as noted in administration’s report, “in the period since its designation, the Brighton Block had fallen into an advanced state of disrepair”. by 2016, it was open to the elements, the main floor was under 3” of water, large areas were completely covered in pigeon guano and there were mushrooms growing in the middle of the second floor. there was no functioning mechanical or electrical equipment (in fact there was no mechanical or electrical equipment in the building at all) and portions of the wood frame structure were in disrepair.
    Is all too often par for the course in Edmonton.
    I don't think it is a uniquely Edmonton thing, but we do seem to not fully appreciate or know how to maintain our older buildings. Maybe its because culturally we have a history of always building bigger newer things and we haven't really matured yet as a city.

    In any event, it sure is a prime example of being penny wise pound foolish. It is good to see this building restored, despite the fact things fell into a deeper hole than realized. I really hope there are some lessons to be learned by the city administration and their bureaucrats from all this, but I am not too hopeful about that bunch.

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    But how does the CoE maintain buildings it doesn't own?
    I am in no way entitled to your opinion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Thanks for the peek behind the scenes Ken.

    Unfortunately:

    as noted in administration’s report, “in the period since its designation, the Brighton Block had fallen into an advanced state of disrepair”. by 2016, it was open to the elements, the main floor was under 3” of water, large areas were completely covered in pigeon guano and there were mushrooms growing in the middle of the second floor. there was no functioning mechanical or electrical equipment (in fact there was no mechanical or electrical equipment in the building at all) and portions of the wood frame structure were in disrepair.
    Is all too often par for the course in Edmonton.
    I don't think it is a uniquely Edmonton thing, but we do seem to not fully appreciate or know how to maintain our older buildings. Maybe its because culturally we have a history of always building bigger newer things and we haven't really matured yet as a city.

    In any event, it sure is a prime example of being penny wise pound foolish. It is good to see this building restored, despite the fact things fell into a deeper hole than realized. I really hope there are some lessons to be learned by the city administration and their bureaucrats from all this, but I am not too hopeful about that bunch.
    Calgary, Winnipeg, Vancouver and many others manage to save a greater percentage than we do. All too often, saving a facade is considered "preservation"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by kkozoriz View Post
    Thanks for the peek behind the scenes Ken.

    Unfortunately:

    as noted in administration’s report, “in the period since its designation, the Brighton Block had fallen into an advanced state of disrepair”. by 2016, it was open to the elements, the main floor was under 3” of water, large areas were completely covered in pigeon guano and there were mushrooms growing in the middle of the second floor. there was no functioning mechanical or electrical equipment (in fact there was no mechanical or electrical equipment in the building at all) and portions of the wood frame structure were in disrepair.
    Is all too often par for the course in Edmonton.
    I don't think it is a uniquely Edmonton thing, but we do seem to not fully appreciate or know how to maintain our older buildings. Maybe its because culturally we have a history of always building bigger newer things and we haven't really matured yet as a city.

    In any event, it sure is a prime example of being penny wise pound foolish. It is good to see this building restored, despite the fact things fell into a deeper hole than realized. I really hope there are some lessons to be learned by the city administration and their bureaucrats from all this, but I am not too hopeful about that bunch.
    it's not a lesson just for "city administration and their bureaucrats"...

    collectively we need to figure out a better way to value our built environment even before it's old enough to be considered heritage. that way when it does become old enough to be considered heritage it hasn't been effectively destroyed by years of inappropriate and poorly done renovations, never mind outright neglect. with less of the first, there would ultimately be less of latter.

    when it comes to grants, w
    e need to think about the city's investment be
    coming an insurable interest so that when something like the arlington happens, the city's investment doesn't go up in smoke with the building and can be repatriated and reinvested elsewhere.

    we also need to make it less advantageous to demolish existing buildings to reduce the tax burden - i think about the tegler building and the bank of montreal where we have seen that happen twice in a life-time on the same site. i'm fine with demolition as part of the redevelopment of a parcel but the assessed value - and the taxes - should stay at the same level they were prior to demolition.

    if we want these things to take place, we have to support those tenants and developers and landlords who are prepared to occupy and invest in that kind of built environment and we have to let our politicians know that we're in favour of some form of public investment or support for that kind of built environment as well because when it's done well it has tremendous public value. it also has tremendous environmental value as well in that there isn't anything more efficient that an existing building even if it needs some modernization to maximize that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    But how does the CoE maintain buildings it doesn't own?
    i think there are two areas where that can take place. i'm a believer that for some services provided by the city there should be a "fee for services rendered" so that a building like the cecil hotel that consumed a drastically disproportionate level of services didn't get a "free ride" from the city based on what the fairmont hotel macdonald consumed.

    in more detail, when it comes to heritage buildings, part of the designation includes executing agreements that are registered on title (even though the city doesn't own the buildings) that work as follows:

    "The importance of the BrightonBlock as a municipal asset was first formalized in 2001 through its designationas a Municipal Historic Resource. That designation included the identification of Regulated Portions of the building that must bepreserved and specified guidelines for their rehabilitation and imposed obligations on the Owner and the City regarding ongoing maintenance and preservation. The City executed a Rehabilitation Incentive Agreement with the building’s owner that outlined those obligations for both parties including therequirement for both parties to execute a Maintenance Agreement.

    Within 6 months of the passing ofthe original Designation Bylaw, the GM of the Planning and DevelopmentDepartment (P&DD) was to receive a proposed Building Maintenance Planincluding details as to how the character defining elements of the BrightonBlock were to be conserved and protected. Every year after Completion ofthe Rehabilitation Work, the City was entitled to undertake an annual inspectionof the building fabric. Every five years commencing in the fifth yearafter the Completion of the Rehabilitation Work, the Owner was to conduct a Major Inspection of the regulated portions of the building fabric. In January of the year in which a Major Inspection was to occur, the City was entitled to meet with the Owner to select the Inspector responsible for conducting the Major Inspection. The Inspector would be obligated to submit a written report (the Major Inspection Report) to the City as well as the Owner within 60 days of being selected setting forth the results of the Major Inspection and any recommendations for remedial or maintenance work on the building fabric including details of remedial or maintenance work; a schedule; and suggestions as to methods and materials.

    The Owner and the City were obligated to meet within 14 days of receipt of the Major Inspection Report and agree on a Remedial Work Plan outlining what work shall be carried out, its timing and its manner. All Remedial Work was to have been completed to the satisfaction of the GM of the P&DD with the GM of the P&DD or a delegate being entitled to personally inspect the work. In addition to the foregoing, if at any time the Owner or the GM of the P&DD became aware of any disrepair which may endanger the building fabric of the Brighton Block, each had an obligation to notify the other and to agree on what work needed to be undertaken to correct the disrepair.

    Should the Owner fail to undertake and complete Remedial Work or Additional Remedial Work or any other work determined to be necessary to the building fabric, the City was entitledto take such steps at the discretion of the GM of the P&DD to complete the repairs or maintenance at the expense of the Owner."

    i will be the first to acknowledge that the brighton block and adjacent lodge/pendennis building went through their own unique set of circumstances but the above is meant to answer your more general question of "how"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    But how does the CoE maintain buildings it doesn't own?
    That's a good question and something to think about. Designating something as historic and writing a cheque and walking away apparently doesn't seem to always work so well, so perhaps its time to consider other ways of doing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Spudly View Post
    But how does the CoE maintain buildings it doesn't own?
    That's a good question and something to think about. Designating something as historic and writing a cheque and walking away apparently doesn't seem to always work so well, so perhaps its time to consider other ways of doing things.
    see bolding in post #273... it's the walking away without exercising the options available part that doesn't work so well.
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    soon to be edmonton's coolest elevator ride:



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    inspecting some of the 4th floor patio curtainwall and some of the lobby details:

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    Fantastic job Ken et al.
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    Well done, looks very nice.

    I don't come on here a lot, but I'm sure it's been mentioned. Any idea as to when this project is expected to be complete?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoneman View Post
    Well done, looks very nice.

    I don't come on here a lot, but I'm sure it's been mentioned. Any idea as to when this project is expected to be complete?
    we should have substantial completion and possession of the base building within a month.

    overall project completion is still dependent on leasing and the construction of interior improvements for tenants.
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