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    On CBC radio this AM Mayor Iveson hinted about a spray park and possibly putting in a small playground in/around Churchill Square. These are massively stupid ideas. Apparently "child-friendly" in Edmonton terms means pandering.
    Spray parks are the worst. Literally the tackiest things known to man. I don't care if they're for children. Downtown churchill square is for everyone to look at and frequent, not just kids. What existed before was a perfect compromise.
    You don’t see beauty the way I do. Kids love spray parks. Seeing a whole bunch of kids yelling and screaming and running and having a great time is always a better than any communication among adults, especially the ever hyper-critical conversations.
    Spray parks have their place. It's not by city hall. We want gaudy animal plastic thingies in literally the centre of the city and its seat of government?
    Oh man. You’re just building an ever stronger case for a spray park.
    Yes, so it can be child friendly..

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    Spray parks are great however I don't think one would be appropriate for Churchill Square. What is appropriate is what already exists, a wading pool!
    And a beer tent and outrageously loud musical events throughout the summer...
    A beer tent would be lovely. Now I want go back to Europe again.
    Oh no, no, no. A pedestrian product like beer being served near the seat of government. Tsk, tsk.

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    We could get Arcadia to run it so it would only be Alberta craft beers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Spray parks are great however I don't think one would be appropriate for Churchill Square. What is appropriate is what already exists, a wading pool!
    Preach.

    The Stanley Milner missed a huge opportunity to add an indoor playground. City Center Mall missed that boat too, when they renovated the food court. With the wading pool at City Hall as is, a spray park at Centennial Plaza would be redundant. Downtown needs an indoor playground of some size in a public/semi-public space.

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    Downtown needs a play place period. not sure why it needs to be indoors though. Millions of dollars have been spent on a dog park, but zero for anything that makes downtown a place for children to live or play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Medwards View Post
    Downtown needs a play place period. not sure why it needs to be indoors though. Millions of dollars have been spent on a dog park, but zero for anything that makes downtown a place for children to live or play.

    Downtown for the status quo
    Maybe the old coliseum would make the world’s greatest kids’ play place????


    I’ve slresdy suggested a Children’s Museum for it and earlier for the old Rossdale Power plant building.

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    We need an indoor playground for the winter months.

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    How about getting an outdoor playground for downtown first for the summer months before a more expensive indoor playground, especially when we consider the demographics of the area. If somewhere needs an indoor playground, it's not downtown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajs View Post
    We need an indoor playground for the winter months.
    Indoor playgrounds are already in operation by private businesses all around the city. If they feel that the downtown market could support one, they'll certainly have a go at it. Millenium place and Black gold have indoor playspaces in their rec centres, but I believe you have to pay to access. I don't know if any of the Edmonton rec centres have them.

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    The downtown YMCA has (had?) a small one. Most rec centres have something good enough for toddlers, some are good enough for all preschoolers. Nothing really for school age kids, but they can play outside, mostly. and they really need something bigger than will really work as a free amenity.

    Maybe just a McDonalds Playplace is what is really needed. $1 coffee and you're in.
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    An indoor playground in a PUBLIC/semi-PUBLIC location would be a great amplifier of things already happening in the Churchill Square nimbus. Go for a skate at city hall, maybe a program at Stanley Milner and an afternoon mucking around in an indoor playground. An outdoor playground in that area would be a redundancy. Calgary has a great indoor playground in a downtown mall food court.

    I take back what I said about hand wringing over the city hall wading pool controversy. Plenty of pushback about this utterly stupid decision. The Journal had a good editorial on the subject today, couple letters to the editor etc.

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    ^A foodcourt playground would work well. The west basement location in City Centre would have had room for one, I don't know about the new one.

    You know what else would be a great amenity? A supervised drop-in play space, a cross between the ikea kids play area and a by-the-hour daycare. There are lots of people who occasionally have appointments downtown, plus downtown workers who need occasional child care, for those days when regular child care doesn't work
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    When that downtown Y first opened you just knew they weren't serious about offering indoor activities for kids unless it was a program/cost recovery model which is fine but cut the happy talk. And the Art Gallery "kids space" is a joke - complete afterthought.

    I checked out one of those by the hour daycare joints (again, in Calgary) - it worked well but you really pay for it. They often operate off hours too, evenings, nights. Don't think there is one in Edmonton in fact.

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    What are rates like for by-the-hour daycare?
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    Surprisingly, not much more than when we used it - http://funflexplaycare.ca/services.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Turnbull View Post
    Spray parks are great however I don't think one would be appropriate for Churchill Square. What is appropriate is what already exists, a wading pool!
    There are a lot of people angry about taking the wading pool out, but why are they taking out the trees? does anyone know? What did the trees do?

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    They will be replacing them in soil cells with types that are more 'appropriate' and further back from the chlorinated water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    They will be replacing them in soil cells with types that are more 'appropriate' and further back from the chlorinated water.
    But they have been fine there, we never saw anything wrong with them.

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    Neither did I, but that's that I am told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
    They will be replacing them in soil cells with types that are more 'appropriate' and further back from the chlorinated water.
    right on!!!

    pick some of the largest and healthiest trees in all of downtown and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace them with something smaller and further from the water that won’t provide shade to those kids in the pool - after all they’re only kids, let them fry in the sun. oh wait, let’s get rid of the pool itself - then we won’t have to worry about any kids!

    in the meantime we can continue to put up with stunted trees and empty tree grates just about everywhere else downtown instead of adding soil cells and irrigation where it would have a real effect on increasing our tree canopy. besides, didn’t anyone tell them chlorine dissipates from aerated water (like the water that drifts from the fountain jets) even faster than from standing water and in both cases it’s accelerated by sunlight?

    this isn’t logic - this is simple rationalization and it seems like it’s being used to support a whole series of seemingly poor decisions.
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    I think they should just postpone all this City Hall work for now. Why fix what isn't broken?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcantor View Post
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    They will be replacing them in soil cells with types that are more 'appropriate' and further back from the chlorinated water.
    right on!!!

    pick some of the largest and healthiest trees in all of downtown and spent tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to replace them with something smaller and further from the water that won’t provide shade to those kids in the pool - after all they’re only kids, let them fry in the sun. oh wait, let’s get rid of the pool itself - then we won’t have to worry about any kids!

    in the meantime we can continue to put up with stunted trees and empty tree grates just about everywhere else downtown instead of adding soil cells and irrigation where it would have a real effect on increasing our tree canopy. besides, didn’t anyone tell them chlorine dissipates from aerated water (like the water that drifts from the fountain jets) even faster than from standing water and in both cases it’s accelerated by sunlight?

    this isn’t logic - this is simple rationalization and it seems like it’s being used to support a whole series of seemingly poor decisions.
    I thought the only trees they were removing were the ones right next to the pool. If so they're the smallest trees on that site. Half the size of most of the trees in Churchill Square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonic Death Monkey View Post
    I think they should just postpone all this City Hall work for now. Why fix what isn't broken?
    The paving stones are 'broken' it seems as the sub base is failing. The pool needs work due to 'new regulations' and other civic precinct work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanO View Post
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    I think they should just postpone all this City Hall work for now. Why fix what isn't broken?
    The paving stones are 'broken' it seems as the sub base is failing. The pool needs work due to 'new regulations' and other civic precinct work.
    no, even if the sub-base is failing, it doesn't mean that the paving stones are "broken". if the sub-base is failing, then any paving stone or granite slab or concrete surface or asphalt paving will fail as well.

    it's 25 years old so that sub-base has actually performed pretty well in edmonton's climate and geotechnical characteristics. so fix it, just as we do our streets and sidewalks.

    but the need to do repairs after a quarter of a century is no reason to change the paver design to something that is uniquely edmontonian to something that is uniquely generic. the architect that selected that design as an integral part of the city hall experience is still around. my guess is he was consulted as much on this changeover as he was on the proposed changes to the pool.

    the pavers that are there pick up the colour of the tyndalstone in some of the arcs and also mirror the stone's unique inclusion of fossils as well as complementing the makeup of the interior floors in similar fashion. it's also cooler to walk on in the summer, less slippery to walk on in the winter and less of a heat sink. granite - as much as i love granite - would do none of these things. it would simply be another case of someone assuming they can do something better than what was done originally.

    maybe some of us should just get together and see if a historic designation could be secured somehow for city hall despite it being "only" 25 years old because none of these things would comply with the standards and guidelines for the conservation of historic places in canada.
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    The reason why I say delay it is because they are going to tender for the work soon. Shut it down, sent it back to the drawing board. A lot of this is clearly driven by bureaucratic wankery.
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    bureaucratic wankery.- perfect! LOL

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    Calgary, Drumheller and Red Deer keep wading pools. Why can't Edmonton?

    http://edmontonjournal.com/news/loca...-cant-edmonton
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    $150,000? That's like $1500 per playground aged kid in the neighbourhood.
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    It's a good thing that a new playground should last 40+ years, then.
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    Great for the kids. I hope they enjoy every moment they are playing in it. Plus picnics.
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    $150,000 doesn't go very far.

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    Some coverage and history of the project - https://edmonton.ctvnews.ca/video?cl...ylistPageNum=1
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    'One more piece of the puzzle': Fundraiser launched for Edmonton's first downtown playground

    The initiative is spearheaded by an Edmonton officer who noticed a lack of playgrounds in her downtown patrols

    By: Omar Mosleh Metro Published on Wed Feb 14 2018
    Acting Sgt. Nicole Davie says she joined the Edmonton Police Service to create positive change in her community – and what better way to do that than to help establish Edmonton’s first downtown playground?
    Davie has spearheaded a campaign to build the first playground in downtown Edmonton, on the site of the historic McKay Avenue School, next to the Edmonton Public Schools Archives and Museum at 10425 99 Avenue.
    Davie would frequently patrol the downtown area as a community liaison officer and noticed there were several parks in the area, but no actual playgrounds.
    “I just noticed there was a lack of spaces for children and families to be in (downtown),” Davie said. “I saw a lot of children, because I believe there’s 11 daycare facilities in the downtown core, but not a single playground.
    “So I saw this big green space and thought ‘This is the perfect spot.’”

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    Eleven day cares in the downtown core and no playground. This new playground will be a great reason to take the kids for a walk on a nice summer day to go play there.
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    Each daycare requires their own as per the regulations, but this will allow additional play and 'field trips' for the adorables.
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    This is true but some of the day care play areas are not grass or very big. This one will be actually grass and larger. Win win for the kids.
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    I worked with Kerrilyn at https://www.yeghousesearch.ca and she was great for helping us identify family-friendly neighbourhoods that checked off all the boxes. I think even the downtown has become more child friendly as other posters have suggested but we did a lot of research and some areas are definitely better than others.

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    Interesting article on families living in small, urban spaces.

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    Key is options, and building infrastructure to allow that diversity (downtown, inbetween, or suburb) while building a healthy city. The big thing is addressing the missing links and nodes and getting ahead of the curve in urban living and design. Doesn't mean we need to replicate the family in the article to a tee, but to address some key "high density housing for families with children" design guidelines, proper amenity spaces, inclusion of larger units more functional interactive passive spaces around the building or what hob nobs tout as the social interactive space of higher density living.


    All key. But more playgrounds with key surrounding proper design and frontages.
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    I am so very pleased to announce that we have raised the funds, thanks to so many incredibly kind folks, to move this forward. Expect a summer opening!!!
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    On the whole I'm pleased to see something like this happen in that space. But you don't need the climbing structure. One of the best existing things about that park (and surrounding area) are all the low to medium walls around. Some are plenty wide for even the youngest of kids to tackle. And of course you've got the bandstand - great for climbing. Sliding is good, swinging is good. The slide looks a little rinky dink. It should be bigger. A bigger slide is a climbing structure of it's own. Great spot for a pop-up greenshack.
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    Keep in mind that this is to be for younger kids and semi-contextual to the age of the schoolhouse/building.
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    Any school age kid can climb on the things I described. If you're building a park for toddlers than it's just a waste of money.

    If things "semi-contextual" are in play than lets consider the "context" of the space as it currently exists.

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    Can't wait to see this built.
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